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So, about the Broly hate...

Post by The Desert Bandit » Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:13 pm

Out of curiosity, why do people on here hate Broly so much? I admit, he's nowhere near my favorite villain, let alone character. In fact, to me he's just meh. However, I'm just a little curious as all. Especially since the rest of the internet sees him as one of the best characters in the series.
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Re: So, about the Broly hate...

Post by Quebaz » Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:14 pm

He gets shoehorned into everything for almost no reason at all.
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Re: So, about the Broly hate...

Post by WittyUsername » Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:17 pm

It probably has something to do with overexposure, considering that he's been in virtually every DBZ game since Budokai 3, as well as the fact that fans in the past have had a tendency to hype him up as one of the strongest characters in the Dragon Ball franchise. I don't really care much for Broly, but he's not the worst of the movie villains.

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Re: So, about the Broly hate...

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:17 pm

Quebaz wrote:He gets shoehorned into everything for almost no reason at all.
Pretty much that.

I liked Movie 8, and 10 and 11 are fun as guilty pleasure at times. But he has this obnoxious group of fans that have resulted in him being put into everything.

I have nothing against the character himself, just how he's used. At least he hasn't been butchered like Bardock was.

Edit: Oh, and his creator seems to have some sort of weird fetish for the character. Seriously, look up the interview comparing Broly to Beerus.
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Re: So, about the Broly hate...

Post by Captain Sauza » Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:20 pm

He's the "Hulk smash!" of DBZ. Three movies and no personality to speak of.
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Re: So, about the Broly hate...

Post by The Desert Bandit » Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:26 pm

That explains it. I deal with that quite a lot with other shows I watch such as MLP:FiM where the show is pretty good, but a few of the fans can be quite obnoxious. I can understand the same applying to Broly, especially considering how he technically isn't even canon. Sometimes the fans can ruin the experience of something, though I never thought about how they can ruin the experience for Broly.
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Re: So, about the Broly hate...

Post by rereboy » Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:29 pm

Captain Sauza wrote:He's the "Hulk smash!" of DBZ. Three movies and no personality to speak of.
That's the point. He's the personification of the saiyan brutality and power, like a force of nature. Besides the action choreography not being that good on movie 8, there's nothing wrong with movie 8, and the problem of the other Broly movies is just Broly overstaying his welcome.

And that's essentially the problem, him overstaying his welcome. Still, besides his deluded fanboys, I don't mind Broly appearing in stuff since a straightforward maniac like him is fun in a lot of things, like games.

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Re: So, about the Broly hate...

Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:57 pm

Broli could have been a great villain if he stay dead after DBZ Movie 8 and he was freshen out more. He's a total psychopathic and he went crazy because of Goku's crying. That's it and the idea was poorly put together. With a DBZ movie with a long run time, they could have easily given Broli good character development and they didn't. If you want to see a psychopathic character done right then look at characters like Anton Chigurh from No Country for Old Men, Hannibal Lecter from Silence of the Lambs or Henry from Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer.
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Re: So, about the Broly hate...

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:06 pm

On the overstaying his welcome part, I agree though I also feel the same about Cooler. All of the 'sequel' DBZ films would have been better served by using a completely new villain with the base plot that's already there tweaked to accommodate. That's my thought process on it anyway.

Broly himself though, I both agree and disagree with the hate towards him. I feel he serves his purpose well enough in movie 8 and makes for an entertaining enough force to be reckoned with - cuz it is harder to consider him a character, as is - but his fanboys can be a little hard to deal with, especially when they try to act as if Broly is unbeatable despite...well, being defeated. Three times. That and the fact that the entire concept of 'unbeatable' really doesn't, or shouldn't, exist in DBZ considering how often the unsurpassable is surpassed. I feel the same way when people do that with other characters too, like Goku, Vegeta, Vegito, Gohan, etc.
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Re: So, about the Broly hate...

Post by JulieYBM » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:09 pm

Generally, I don't think I have ever seen someone actually hate Broli. Folks just tend to hate his incoherent admirers.
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Re: So, about the Broly hate...

Post by fadeddreams5 » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:12 pm

The Desert Bandit wrote:Out of curiosity, why do people on here hate Broly so much?
Especially since the rest of the internet sees him as one of the best characters in the series.
You answered your own question.
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Re: So, about the Broly hate...

Post by rereboy » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:15 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:...and he went crazy because of Goku's crying.
Not this again... Why does this notion even exist? It doesn't make an ounce of sense!

The movie goes out of its way to show us that it was his own power that drove him mad, like it's very clear in the scene where he takes out one of the eyes of his father. It really has nothing to do with Goku crying.

As for that crying scene, it exists because Movie 8 goes out of its way to establish a symbolic representation of Goku's and Broly's relationship by having the weakling baby Goku still managing to annoy prodigy baby Broly who had a power level of 10.000 despite their power differences. It has nothing to do with Broly going crazy by hearing a cry when he was a baby, its a representation of their relationship and a metaphor for what happens later in the movie when Goku manages to find a way to beat Broly, which is why a flashback of that scene is played when Goku beats Broly.

As for Broly not liking Goku, that's simply because he instinctively recognizes Goku as his rival and instinctively feels the need to crush him as his rival. That's why in the movie they felt the need to even make Goku be born on the same day as Broly, to really accentuate how they are meant to be rivals, even though they are so very different, and the crying scene accentuates this even further.

I really don't understand how this illogical notion of Broly becoming mad because of crying became so engraved in the fanbase...
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Re: So, about the Broly hate...

Post by Marlowe89 » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:18 pm

Captain Sauza wrote:He's the "Hulk smash!" of DBZ. Three movies and no personality to speak of.
This. To me, he's just a dumb brute with zero personality. Even if he does have an explanation for his demeanor, I don't think it prevents him from being generally uninteresting. I wouldn't even mind him being shoehorned into so many things if he actually contributed something worthwhile to the story aside from being an obstacle that refuses to die.
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Re: So, about the Broly hate...

Post by jamiljamtheman » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:19 pm

I think it might be because he can be considered overrated, but then again as you point out he is very overhated. Personally, I was confused as to the fact that he has no character beyond yelling Kakarot in movie 10 which I watched first. But I love how he is the embodiment of raw power and rage, ita just cool. Also, I will say that Broly is the subject for some of the least balanced MUGEN characters. Ever. XD

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Re: So, about the Broly hate...

Post by Dyno » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:22 pm

Why "Broly hate"? I ask why there is so "Broly love" around the world.

Come on, Dragon Ball Z has fifteen movies, which theorically means fifteen villains... But hey, three of them belongs to him without a reason/necessity at all. He just yells "Kakarot" or "argh" and nothing else, he doesn't contribute at all to the universe, in and out. He just appears to "destroy" everyone and that's it. What is so "cool" about it? No development, no charisma, no story... These are what build a character.

He appears in many openings games, and what is worse, fighting against Gogeta... I know it's just games, but this fact doesn't explain anything, I never saw T-u-r-l-e-s fighting against Cell, Garlic Junior against Freeza... He appears in every single game since his debut in 1993 when there are characters waiting until nowadays to make their honorable debuts (if it wasn't for Dragon Ball Heroes, that is). You see, Son Goten only has a Super Saiyan transformation, whereas he has Super Saiyan 4. Why this!? You see the cover for Battle of Z... You know, you feel pretty well that Broly doesn't belong to that art, but he is there. Why Broly is the only movie villain in Xenoverse? Why he always gets the most attention? Why he is always overhyped? Why he is the "symbol" of power when I could list many characters stronger than him.
He is like Batman and Charizard, the latter even gets two Mega Evolution out of nowhere for no reason... Why Bulbasaur and Squirtle don't have a secondary Mega evolution? Why Broly has so many fanboys?
First we need to understand the "love" before the "hate" (if there is... Because all I see are people horny whenever they see him...).

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Re: So, about the Broly hate...

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:24 pm

rereboy wrote:I really don't understand how this illogical notion of Broly becoming mad because of crying became so engraved in the fanbase...
I want to say it goes all the way back to descriptions of the film prior to it's US release. I used to re-read the Planet Namek descriptions of the movies over, and over, and over, and over, and over when I was a younger, fresh-eyed fan, and I'm fairly certain their description kind of hinted at this.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:24 pm

He's basically has the popularity of Wolverine, with none of his personality, development or intrigue. And many people resent him for being thrown into anything Dragon Ball-related and not contributing nothing other than "KAKAROOOOOTTT!!!"

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Re: So, about the Broly hate...

Post by JulieYBM » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:25 pm

That is not a very strong comparison, I would offer. Just because Lizardon and Mewtwo are the only Pokemon with two mega evolutions right now it doesn't mean the other popular Pokemon won't get new ones down the line.
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Re: So, about the Broly hate...

Post by rereboy » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:29 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:
I want to say it goes all the way back to descriptions of the film prior to it's US release. I used to re-read the Planet Namek descriptions of the movies over, and over, and over, and over, and over when I was a younger, fresh-eyed fan, and I'm fairly certain their description kind of hinted at this.
Well, whatever the reason is, it's annoying. That crying scene is probably one the most subtle and smart little foreshadowing details and representations of the franchise and with that interpretation it gets downgraded to "Broly went crazy because baby Goku's crying was really annoying".

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Re: So, about the Broly hate...

Post by fadeddreams5 » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:29 pm

rereboy wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:...and he went crazy because of Goku's crying.
Not this again... Why does this notion even exist? It doesn't make an ounce of sense!

The movie goes out of its way to show us that it was his own power that drove him mad, like it's very clear in the scene where he takes out one of the eyes of his father. It really has nothing to do with Goku crying.

As for that crying scene, it exists because Movie 8 goes out of its way to establish a symbolic representation of Goku's and Broly's relationship by having the weakling baby Goku still managing to annoy prodigy baby Broly who had a power level of 10.000 despite their power differences. It has nothing to do with Broly going crazy by hearing a cry when he was a baby, its a representation of their relationship and a metaphor for what happens later in the movie when Goku manages to find a way to beat Broly, which is why a flashback of that scene is played when Goku beats Broly.

As for Broly not liking Goku, that's simply because he instinctively recognizes Goku as his rival and instinctively feels the need to crush him as his rival. That's why in the movie they felt the need to even make Goku be born on the same day as Broly, to really accentuate how they are meant to be rivals, even though they are so very different, and the crying scene accentuates this even further.

I really don't understand how this illogical notion of Broly becoming mad because of crying became so engraved in the fanbase...
He does not see Goku as a rival; they're not competing over anything. He clearly wants to murder him very, very badly. I'd go as far as say it'd sexually satisfy him to torture Goku, as he becomes obsessed with doing so.
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