Is Golden Freeza Stronger then SSJ4 Gogeta?

[Lord Gogeta]

From what I've heard lightning bolts travel at around mach 300 from the sky to the ground. They approach half the speed of light on the upward travel.

Also, how can it be that the second part of Popo's statement is literal when the first, "still as the sky", is clearly a metaphor?

Well if is not literal, then it doesn't contradict Goku's previous feats, simple as that .So either way he was relativistic at least

[Rocketman]

If kid Goku was relativistic, then his foot would strike the ground with the same energy as a space shuttle launch, killing everyone within a three-mile radius.

[Lord Gogeta]

BTW can someone lock this thread, since no one answered the OP question?

[Lord Gogeta]

If kid Goku was relativistic, then his foot would strike the ground with the same energy as a space shuttle launch, killing everyone within a three-mile radius.

This is fiction , not Real life, plus they control well their power and collateral damage. Otherwise Beerus would have planet busted with his mere speed/precense. Or anyone in saiyan saga. So your argument holds no water in fiction.

[Lord Gogeta]

Where is the proof it was metaphorical BTW? I have not seen any proof of if.

See , Proof>Speculation

[Darkprince410]

Same panel, the beam reached the moon almost at the same time he shot at. And I already have the link about goku being ftl in saiyan saga.

And it doesn't contradict since Lightning can go at relativistic speed. So even low balling Goku's feats is still relativistic. And that's way before Raditz. Sorry but I disagree

And the Video about Goku being lightspeed is from the Japanese anime. So its legit. Sorry but I'm bored now. I've proved he was ftl in Dragonball and you just assumed he was not just because

1) As said before, he's beginning to fire it in one panel, and the blast is reaching the Moon in the next panel. As such, we don't know the actual length of time transpiring between the two panels. It's not evidence of an "instant shot", no matter how you look at it. Without knowing for 100% certain the length of time that took place between the two panels, we can't say that it was instant.

2) At its utmost maximum speed ever recorded though, lightning is still slower than light. If Goku had yet to reach lightning speed by that point, then he certainly hadn't achieved light speed, which means all his earlier "feats" weren't actually light speed.

3) The manga contradicts it, and the manga is the #1 source of information here. Since light speed isn't mentioned by Yamcha in that scene in the original manga, then the anime is incorrect, simple as that. Besides, is that even an official subtitled version of the anime, or one of those fan-translated versions which are notorious for embellishing lines or altering them from what they're supposed to be.

[Bando]

Where is the proof it was metaphorical BTW? I have not seen any proof of if.

See , Proof>Speculation

It's impossible to be as "still as the sky".

"Fierce as the ocean, graceful as the wind."

Would you interpret that literally?

I've also updated my post in the last page.

[Rocketman]

This is fiction , not Real life

So why do you keep using real life science?

[dragonballer]

If kid Goku was relativistic, then his foot would strike the ground with the same energy as a space shuttle launch, killing everyone within a three-mile radius.

not that i support kid being as fast as light,but i don't think we should take science too serious in dragon ball . if beerus and ssjg are light speed fighter,then when they touch each other,at least the whole country if not the planet would have exploded . also,when see a lot punches in dbz that cause explosions,but the implosions that should have happened never happens .

[Lord Gogeta]

This is fiction , not Real life

So why do you keep using real life science?

I'm not using science just common sense.
Powerscalimg by statements and feats makes teenage Goku ftl.

[Lord Gogeta]

Where is the proof it was metaphorical BTW? I have not seen any proof of if.

See , Proof>Speculation

It's impossible to be as "still as the sky".

"Fierce as the ocean, graceful as the wind."

Would you interpret that literally?

I've also updated my post in the last page.

Is not impossible. He could just use a metaphor but using literal speed to help Goku. But let's assume you're right, then since is not a serious statement it doesn't contradict the relativistic feat of 22nd Budokai.

So either way I'm right.

[Lord Gogeta]

Anyway I respect your opinions. Let's just agree to disagree .

[Bando]

Where is the proof it was metaphorical BTW? I have not seen any proof of if.

See , Proof>Speculation

It's impossible to be as "still as the sky".

"Fierce as the ocean, graceful as the wind."

Would you interpret that literally?

I've also updated my post in the last page.

Is not impossible. He could just use a metaphor but using literal speed to help Goku. But let's assume you're right, then since is not a serious statement it doesn't contradict the relativistic feat of 22nd Budokai.

So either way I'm right.

Starting with "it's not impossible" is admitting to its improbability. What mangaka expects 12 years olds to figure out "oh, this first part is just a metaphor and this second part is literal because of powerscaling"? It's a very awkward interpretation to say the least.

And if Toriyama came out next week and revealed he meant for it to be literal all along, lightning bolts are mach 290 on the downstroke. Source is on the last page.

Why couldn't Goku have grabbed them before the light set off? And even if he did dodge light, Nappa failed to react to Kinto-Un when it rescued Gohan, and according to databooks it can only fly at a maximum speed of mach 1.5.

[Hitiro]

"Still as the sky, quick as lightning."

"Will interpreting this literally confirm Goku's speed? --> Yes. --> It's literal."

Super Saiyan Trunks took several minutes to fly to his house.

"Will this feat make DBZ seem slower than lightspeed? --> Yes. --> It's PIS."

Piccolo's beam destroyed the moon pretty fast.

"Was there a timeframe? --> No. --> If we assume it was instantaneous will it affirm lightspeed DBZ? --> I don't know, I gue- --> It's legit."

It would take SSJ Trunks several minutes to reach his house because as you approach the speed of light the energy requirements become exponentially larger. The laws of physics dictate that you'd need an infinite amount of energy to reach and maintain lightspeed travel. It would be more efficient for SSJ Trunks to travel at a slower speed to save his energy. To look at it another way:

Speed: 100(Lets pretend this is lightspeed)
Energy per sec: Infinite

Speed: 50(50% of lightspeed)
Energy per sec: 100

^If you were going to move from point A to point B where it would take you 10 seconds to travel between them at lightspeed but 20 seconds to travel between them at half of lightspeed. Are you going to use lightspeed? I would hope not because the energy consumption would look like this compared to half of lightspeed:

Speed: 100
Energy wasted: Infinite*10

Speed: 50
Energy wasted: 2,000

^From this you can see that if you were to travel slower you save an enormous amount of energy. I've never thought that the characters were travelling at lightspeed but they are definitely travelling fractions of lightspeed during fights. Because in a fight they rarely cover much distance while using the top end of their speed. So they don't have to worry about it as they are using their energy in bursts. But if they are travelling places they are constantly using energy over the journey. It would be horribly efficient to use their energy like that. It is like telling Usain Bolt to sprint at his top speed for a 10k marathon constantly.

[Rocketman]

At 50% of the speed of light, you would travel completely around the Earth in roughly 1/3rd of a second.

[Zephyr]

BTW can someone lock this thread, since no one answered the OP question?

That question was literally answered by Rocketman with the first reply to this thread.

Also, are you aware that you're allowed to have multiple quotes in a single post, and edit posts you've already made to include afterthoughts?