Beerus is a confirmed Universal Buster!!

[h0kuten]

It's also a gag manga. That was obviously, a gag statement.

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Elder Kaioshin's comment regarding Boo was certainly not a 'gag'--he was stating a fact:


Per him: Boo would have destroyed the universe had he not been stopped. However, this certainly does not mean that Boo could have wiped out the universe with a single attack or w/e. For all we know, it may have taken him eons to do so.

The exact same logic applies to Elder Kaioshin's comment about Beerus potentially destroying the universe. Absolutely nothing implies that he can do so instantly.

Please bring a statement from the Herms translations. I do not adhere the Viz translations.

[Kamiccolo9]

Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315), P11.4-6
Context: as Goku prepares to fight Boo
Goku: “Alrii~~iight. I’d better go all out right from the start…! If we get done in, then the entire universe will go ‘poof’…”
Vegeta: “Let me see this ‘Super Saiyan 3’ thing with my own eyes…”
Goku: “Is that alright? You just might not get your turn…I can say this now, but the truth is that with that fat Boo, I would have been able to defeat him at the time with Super Saiyan 3…However, I wanted the young guys to manage something…For the Earth’s sake too…”

Chapter: 469 (DBZ 275), P5.1
Piccolo: “Just as Kaioshin feared, Majin Boo’s strength surpasses our imagination…If we leave him alone like this, then without a doubt all life on not merely the Earth, but throughout the entire universe will be wiped out…”

Different lines than the above, but they're not exactly vague.

[rereboy]

Please bring a statement from the Herms translations. I do not adhere the Viz translations.

Your loss if you want to assume it's incorrect from the start. As Herms says, Viz's translation is pretty good.

[h0kuten]

Please bring a statement from the Herms translations. I do not adhere the Viz translations.

Your loss if you want to assume it's incorrect from the start. As Herms says, Viz's translation is pretty good.

Piccolo states all life, not only on Earth but throughout the Universe will be wiped out. Implying Majin Boo will travel to planets and kill people.

Whereas with Beerus, the implication is he'll bust the entire universe in one go.

Next.

[Hugo Boss]

Is there any difference in implication between "might disappear!" and "will go 'poof'..."? By your perspective, if Goku thinks he can fight Boo, then he should be capable of 'busting' the entire universe in one go too.

[h0kuten]

Is there any difference in implication between "might disappear!" and "will go 'poof'..."? By your perspective, if Goku thinks he can fight Boo, then he should be capable of 'busting' the entire universe in one go too.

It's illogical to think of it any other way. It really is. Beerus wouldn't travel to each planet and kill everyone, that's just stupidity.

[Galan007]

Piccolo states all life, not only on Earth but throughout the Universe will be wiped out. Implying Majin Boo will travel to planets and kill people.

Whereas with Beerus, the implication is he'll bust the entire universe in one go.

Next.

Are you arrogantly saying "next" because you believe that you've proven something? My God. You are like a petulant child, infecting this forum with your ridiculous nonsense.

Anyway, here's another line from Herms(because apparently his quotes are all you regard as canon for some reason, so long as they suit you):

Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315), P11.4-6
Context: as Goku prepares to fight Boo
Goku: “Alrii~~iight. I’d better go all out right from the start…! If we get done in, then the entire universe will go ‘poof’…”

Once again, Boo is regarded as a universal threat... Yet we know that he was not capable of destroying the universe with a single attack.

Same logic applies to Beerus: all that was 'implied' is that he can potentially destroy the universe. But for all we know, destruction on that scale could take him days, months, years, eons, etc. That said, until we have a *legitimate* reason to believe that Beerus can one-shot the universe, assuming he can is completely baseless. I/we do not need to prove a negative.

It's illogical to think of it any other way. It really is. Beerus wouldn't travel to each planet and kill everyone, that's just stupidity.

...Yet every single time we've seen him 'rampage', that's exactly how he's done it. Beerus undoubtedly prefers the planet-by-planet method of destruction.

[Hugo Boss]

Is there any difference in implication between "might disappear!" and "will go 'poof'..."? By your perspective, if Goku thinks he can fight Boo, then he should be capable of 'busting' the entire universe in one go too.

It's illogical to think of it any other way. It really is. Beerus wouldn't travel to each planet and kill everyone, that's just stupidity.

The Kaioshins were aware that some planets were disappearing very quickly, but they didn't know what Beerus had in mind. Was he going from planet to planet looking for something or someone? In this mini-journey, Beerus could possibly destroy lots of planets without finding what he was seeking. In a couple of years Boo was doing that, though without any reasoning in mind. Perhaps in less than a year the entire universe might disappear because of Beerus' search. Of course, this hypothetical scenario could happen if Beerus didn't get enlightened about the Super Saiyan God and living Saiyans. I'm not saying he can't destroy the universe in one go, just presenting a different in-take, that you may adress or not.

[Hellspawn28]

Beerus likes to go planet one by one since that's his job. It's like Galactus does where he goes planet by planet to feed on.

[Kaboom]

Are you arrogantly saying "next" because you believe that you've proven something? My God. You are like a petulant child, infecting this forum with your ridiculous nonsense.

Despite how anyone else is acting, sinking to or below their level with these kinds of comments is unnecessary. If someone's being difficult, use that report button so we can notice and review it.

[Zephyr]

Whereas with Beerus, the implication is he'll bust the entire universe in one go.

Implications are inherently open ended and up to interpretation. They are subjective. There is no singular candidate for "the" implication of anything.

It's illogical to think of it any other way. It really is. Beerus wouldn't travel to each planet and kill everyone, that's just stupidity.

If you're trying to talk down to other people about being "illogical" then at least present your arguments in a logical form. What are your premises? What is your conclusion? Have you bothered to actually test the argument's strength by inserting different variables?

You seem to be relying on the fallacy of the false dichotomy. What I'm gathering from your posts is that if Beerus isn't destroying the universe in one big blast, then literally the only alternative is that he destroys each planet one by one. That's not only fallacious, but also unimaginative. He could destroy 2 planets at a time. He could destroy 3 planets at a time. He destroy a solar system at a time. He could get some goons to destroy some planets for him, like he had Freeza do with Planet Vegeta.

[Galan007]

Despite how anyone else is acting, sinking to or below their level with these kinds of comments is unnecessary. If someone's being difficult, use that report button so we can notice and review it.

You're right. Apologies.

[rereboy]

Please bring a statement from the Herms translations. I do not adhere the Viz translations.

Your loss if you want to assume it's incorrect from the start. As Herms says, Viz's translation is pretty good.

Piccolo states all life, not only on Earth but throughout the Universe will be wiped out. Implying Majin Boo will travel to planets and kill people.

Whereas with Beerus, the implication is he'll bust the entire universe in one go.

Next.

That has nothing to do with what I posted. But the implication is that the universe will be destroyed, there's no indication whatsoever of how.

[LowRyder2005]

Despite how anyone else is acting, sinking to or below their level with these kinds of comments is unnecessary. If someone's being difficult, use that report button so we can notice and review it.

You're right. Apologies.

If anything I do agree with you, or rather I should say I do not blame you. I believe the OP is being somewhat unreasonable here (like everyone else pointed out, I suppose).

[Bando]

Is there any difference in implication between "might disappear!" and "will go 'poof'..."? By your perspective, if Goku thinks he can fight Boo, then he should be capable of 'busting' the entire universe in one go too.

It's illogical to think of it any other way. It really is. Beerus wouldn't travel to each planet and kill everyone, that's just stupidity.

Yet Elder Kaioshin keeps mentioning planets every single time he relates Beerus to universal destruction.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I'm still of the opinion that nothing is 'confirmed' until we actually see it happen.

[h0kuten]

I'm still of the opinion that nothing is 'confirmed' until we actually see it happen.

Might as well look at the art-work and not bother reading the manga's statements -since the author's statements that he provided us (to tell a story) aren't relevant to you.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Statements are just that - statements. Characters can say anything. Doesn't make it true by default. It's up to each individual viewer how much stock they put in any given statement.

[Hitiro]

I'm still of the opinion that nothing is 'confirmed' until we actually see it happen.

Might as well look at the art-work and not bother reading the manga's statements -since the author's statements that he provided us (to tell a story) aren't relevant to you.

Vegeta says he'll destroy the Earth in the Saiyan arc but apart from his line there is nothing to actually prove that he is capable of doing such a thing. Thus it is open to interpretation.

The statement you provided merely says that the entire universe might disappear. Unless we're told how or we are shown how then Beerus could destroy it in any manner and it would still fulfil the statement that the universe might disappear. He may destroy half in one attack and then half in another. It doesn't actually state how he will accomplish making the universe disappear. Nor how long it would take him. All we can surmise is that it's within his power to wipe out the universe somehow. Given the state of affairs in Dragon Ball, and assuming Cell wasn't lying about destroying the Solar System with a Kamehameha, Beerus might just be on Galaxy busting levels of power. But again, it is open to interpretation.

[rereboy]

Vegeta says he'll destroy the Earth in the Saiyan arc but apart from his line there is nothing to actually prove that he is capable of doing such a thing. Thus it is open to interpretation.

Not really, no. Considering that some characters have been able to blow up the moon for a long time and considering that there is absolutely nothing contradicting Vegeta's statement, you would have to pretty much bend yourself backwards to try to justify logically why we should disregard it as false. It's not impossible that it's false, simply because we don't see what would happen if his attack had hit the Earth, but that's hardly a solid justification to disregard what he said.

As for destroying the universe quote, it's not a matter of it being false or not, it's a matter of the quote simply not referring at all how exactly Beerus would do it. The line on itself doesn't tell us that he would charge a ki blast and, puff, there goes the whole universe in a instant.