If Dragonball Z came back on TV would Bruce Faulconer Music come back?

[ABED]

I also made that point about the music, but the timeslot is a far bigger reason. If people weren't put off by the cheapness of the production and the awful acting in season 3 then the show is just about bulletproof. DBZ's global success regardless of tampering to story and dialog and music just goes to show that DBZ is successful regardless. Combat is a universal language.

[SaiyanGod117]

I would say Bruce's work was one of the main factors of DBZ's success in America.

I don't think that the Bruce Faulconer score was one of the main reason Dbz was successful in the US. Dbz was popular even in countries with bad dubs, countries that keep Japanese music or countries that had replacement scores. Z would have been popular with or without Faulconer in the US. Look at Latin America. Dbz is massively popular there and the LatAm kept the original score. Dbz is still aired at primetime in Mexico. That's how much dbz is loved in Latin America.

I have to disagree, there are many people who've said the Falcouner score made DBZ for them. Which isn't too outlandish, because music is an important aspect of a film or show. With Kikuchi's score I doubt most kids would have sat through a five to ten minute stare-down or powerup, but with Falcouner's score I think that made it possible. The right music can elevate a scene, the wrong music can drag it down like an anchor.

[ABED]

The right music can elevate a scene, the wrong music can drag it down like an anchor.

But the voice acting and characters and action are what? Not important? Music is one element out of a whole. It is important, but it's not the only thing that will make or break a scene.

[SaiyanGod117]

The right music can elevate a scene, the wrong music can drag it down like an anchor.

But the voice acting and characters and action are what? Not important? Music is one element out of a whole. It is important, but it's not the only thing that will make or break a scene.

Of course that's important as well, because all the details, explosions, fidelity mean nothing. If you don't believe in those characters and the story their telling you, but in something like a movie, show, or animated cartoon it's definitely more intergeral. Music can serve several purposes that are either important on the emotional side of the show or help/enhance the storytelling. You're right in saying there it's not the only thing that will make or break scene, but it's most easiest thing that can.

[Bajosexto]

I would say Bruce's work was one of the main factors of DBZ's success in America.

I don't think that the Bruce Faulconer score was one of the main reason Dbz was successful in the US. Dbz was popular even in countries with bad dubs, countries that keep Japanese music or countries that had replacement scores. Z would have been popular with or without Faulconer in the US. Look at Latin America. Dbz is massively popular there and the LatAm kept the original score. Dbz is still aired at primetime in Mexico. That's how much dbz is loved in Latin America.

I have to disagree, there are many people who've said the Falcouner score made DBZ for them. Which isn't too outlandish, because music is an important aspect of a film or show. With Kikuchi's score I doubt most kids would have sat through a five to ten minute stare-down or powerup, but with Falcouner's score I think that made it possible. The right music can elevate a scene, the wrong music can drag it down like an anchor.

What about the kids of the rest of the world? They were able to sit through Dbz with the Kikuchi score. So why are American kids the exception? This is the same mentality FUNi had when they decided to change the Japanese score. They thought Americans kids wouldn't be able to sit down a watch the show with the "boring Japanese music". I love the Kikuchi score and it is an important part of the show to me. But the Kikuchi score isn't the only reason I watch Dragon Ball/Z. I watch it because of it's story. I'm also able to enjoy Dragon Ball with others ost's like the Tokunaga, Yamamoto and Sumitomo scores. Honestly, sometimes I feel like some fans are more Faulconer fans than Dragon Ball fans.

[DBZAOTA482]

Gokuisasuperhero has got to be trolling or he's using insane troll logic (Buffy reference, but the fact that it has troll in it is a nice bonus).

Not trolling at all stated facts. Bruce help DBZ get to where it is today in American.

DBZ became a massive hit the moment it premiered on Toonami with the Ocean dub. Faulconer had practically nothing to do with the series' success... in fact, North America is the only nation that replaced the whole soundtrack and Latin America is where DBZ is arguably most popular.

Besides, FUNimation are now a legit dubbing company and are above such cheap practices.

[SaiyanGod117]

What about the kids of the rest of the world? They were able to sit through Dbz with the Kikuchi score. So why are American kids the exception? This is the same mentality FUNi had when they decided to change the Japanese score. They thought Americans kids wouldn't be able to sit down a watch the show with the "boring Japanese music". I love the Kikuchi score and it is an important part of the show to me. But the Kikuchi score isn't the only reason I watch Dragon Ball/Z. I watch it because of it's story. I'm also able to enjoy Dragon Ball with others ost's like the Tokunaga, Yamamoto and Sumitomo scores. Honestly, sometimes I feel like some fans are more Faulconer fans than Dragon Ball fans.

Other countries had replacement scores too, and not every kid is the same as another kid from another country. Just because one group of people find something cool, doesn't mean another group will. Although maybe I'm getting ahead myself.

[Bansho64]

Other countries had replacement scores too, and not every kid is the same as another kid from another country. Just because one group of people find something cool, doesn't mean another group will.

Which countries are you talking about? Besides the U.S and Canada, there's no other country that did a full replacement score for DBZ.

[SaiyanGod117]

Other countries had replacement scores too, and not every kid is the same as another kid from another country. Just because one group of people find something cool, doesn't mean another group will.

Which countries are you talking about? Besides Westwood and FUNi's work, there's no other country that did a full replacement score for DBZ.

Well those two you just listed about Canada and Hindu and I think Portuguese dub had a replacement score, that's all I can think of. But I've also heard some other countries had replacement scores.

[Soppa Saia People]

I feel lt's DBZ that made Faulconer popular. Not the other way around. I see that people on the internet like his music and that's fine, I enjoy a few tracks myself.

Yeah this is how I see it. Sure, the Faulconer score has some great tracks, but if it aired along sides some random Saturday morning cartoon, it would be much less remembered outside of a "remember "show name" ? That show had a great soundtrack". Now air it along with the final flash moment ? That's going to be remembered by everyone who saw it (exaggeration, obviously).
Also, that DB wiki article is fucking terrible, Jesus christ.

[Bansho64]

Well those two you just listed about Canada and Hindu and I think Portuguese dub had a replacement score, that's all I can think of. But I've also heard some other countries had replacement scores.

The Hindi dub just used Shuki Levy's score for the Saiyan and Namek arcs when they used the Ocean dub as a basis for their own. They never made their own and they never used Faulconer because they switched to the original score after the portions of the series I just mentioned. The Portuguese dub never once had a replacement score ever. The German dub did redo some Kikuchi's tracks for a movie or two, but I don't think that really counts as a full replacement score since it's still Kikuchi's compositions.

[SaiyanGod117]

Well those two you just listed about Canada and Hindu and I think Portuguese dub had a replacement score, that's all I can think of. But I've also heard some other countries had replacement scores.

The Hindi dub just used Shuki Levy's score for the Saiyan and Namek arcs when they used the Ocean dub as a basis for their own. They never made their own and they never used Faulconer because they switched to the original score after the portions of the series I just mentioned. The Portuguese dub never once had a replacement score ever. The German dub did redo some Kikuchi's tracks for a movie or two, but I don't think that really counts as a full replacement score since it's still Kikuchi's compositions.

Well good to know.

[Bajosexto]

Other countries had replacement scores too, and not every kid is the same as another kid from another country. Just because one group of people find something cool, doesn't mean another group will. Although maybe I'm getting ahead myself.

As far as I now FUNimation was the only dubbing company that replaced the score for Z.

Your right, not every kid is the same. Everybody is different. And we all have different cultures that influence us on how we enjoy a show. For instance, in some European countries subs are really common and dubs are only for young kids that can't read. This is not true in Latin America where pretty everything is dub. Even reality shows and infomercials. But my point is that Dbz was popular in the rest of the world with the Japanese music. Even though every kid is different they somehow liked Dbz as is with no replacement score. And they would probably liked it if it had a replacement score. That's why I 100% sure that Dbz would have been just as popular in the US had they kept the original score.

[Danfun64]

As far as I now FUNimation was the only dubbing company that replaced the score for Z.

There's the AB Groupe/Westwood dub that recycled music from Monster Rancher and the Mega Man cartoon.

[Bajosexto]

As far as I now FUNimation was the only dubbing company that replaced the score for Z.

There's the AB Groupe/Westwood dub that recycled music from Monster Rancher and the Mega Man cartoon.

Yeah, I forgot about the Westwood dub.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

As far as I now FUNimation was the only dubbing company that replaced the score for Z.

There's the AB Groupe/Westwood dub that recycled music from Monster Rancher and the Mega Man cartoon.

And the Ocean Kai dub allegedly has a replacement soundtrack.

[90sDBZ]

A good time slot is INCREDIBLY important. It's like the first rule of real estate is "location, location, location". Put a TV show on a channel few people watch or on a time that few people watch TV and it's a recipe for disaster. And who was saying that DBZ's success was JUST because of a good timeslot? No one.

People don't tune into TV shows for the music. Score's are one part of a whole.

But the Toonami slot is a major factor. It literally aired at the perfect time for kids getting out of school and was a weekday thing. That's a major good factor for a TV show to be available. As awesome as DBZ is, that timeslot is a part of what helped it soar.

I didn't deny that, it DOES help, I'm just saying that if you show a ton of people music that is bad, that's just gonna be more people listening to bad music and disliking it. If it's good (yes, subjective I know) then people will praise it as it has happened with Faulconer's OST. In other words, what I was referring to is that it's not merely because it got the Toonami slot that it is liked. If it sucked to a majority of people over here, then it wouldn't be liked by people over here (on this scale).

And people don't initially watch a show for the music, but if it's executed really well that it resonates with people and makes them feel immersed, then it adds so much to the show and makes it even better.

I think you hit the nail on the head here. If the music had really been terrible like many people here claim, then you'd be hearing no end of comments from the masses complaining that the music ruins an otherwise great show, but that clearly isn't the case. If anything I've seen plenty of US fans go out of their way to praise the Faulconer music when discussing the show in general.

Earlier I used the Levy score as a comparison. Perhaps a better comparison would be the the Tom Keenlyside Megaman score from the Westwood dub, which was used for a large majority of the series in several territories like the UK, Ireland, Canada, and Holland. The show did extremely well in all those territories too, and yet that score doesn't get anywhere near the praise or mention as Faulconer. I know Youtube certainly isn't the be-all end-all of popularity, but it certainly serves as an indication. When you compare the Westwood OST videos to the Faucloner videos there's not even a comparison, with Faulconer getting way more views.

[ABED]

Considering that many of those same people who liked Faulconer's score also liked the season 3 voices, I don't put much stock in their opinion regarding taste.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

A good time slot is INCREDIBLY important. It's like the first rule of real estate is "location, location, location". Put a TV show on a channel few people watch or on a time that few people watch TV and it's a recipe for disaster. And who was saying that DBZ's success was JUST because of a good timeslot? No one.

People don't tune into TV shows for the music. Score's are one part of a whole.

But the Toonami slot is a major factor. It literally aired at the perfect time for kids getting out of school and was a weekday thing. That's a major good factor for a TV show to be available. As awesome as DBZ is, that timeslot is a part of what helped it soar.

I didn't deny that, it DOES help, I'm just saying that if you show a ton of people music that is bad, that's just gonna be more people listening to bad music and disliking it. If it's good (yes, subjective I know) then people will praise it as it has happened with Faulconer's OST. In other words, what I was referring to is that it's not merely because it got the Toonami slot that it is liked. If it sucked to a majority of people over here, then it wouldn't be liked by people over here (on this scale).

And people don't initially watch a show for the music, but if it's executed really well that it resonates with people and makes them feel immersed, then it adds so much to the show and makes it even better.

I think you hit the nail on the head here. If the music had really been terrible like many people here claim, then you'd be hearing no end of comments from the masses complaining that the music ruins an otherwise great show, but that clearly isn't the case. If anything I've seen plenty of US fans go out of their way to praise the Faulconer music when discussing the show in general.

Earlier I used the Levy score as a comparison. Perhaps a better comparison would be the the Tom Keenlyside Megaman score from the Westwood dub, which was used for a large majority of the series in several territories like the UK, Ireland, Canada, and Holland. The show did extremely well in all those territories too, and yet that score doesn't get anywhere near the praise or mention as Faulconer. I know Youtube certainly isn't the be-all end-all of popularity, but it certainly serves as an indication. When you compare the Westwood OST videos to the Faucloner videos there's not even a comparison, with Faulconer getting way more views.

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The US and Australia are much bigger markets than the UK, Ireland and Holland. As for Canada, they didn't get the Westwood dub until the Cell arc so the fanbase was already accustomed to the Faulconer score, not to mention it was readily available on the home releases for years.

The reason the Westwood dub score doesn't seem to be as well regarded is simply because it didn't get anywhere near as much exposure, nothing more. If Funimation hired Keenlyside and AB used the Faulconer score its entirely possible the reverse would have been the case and the former score would have received the praise from people who grew up on it.

The Levy/Wasserman score would be a better point of comparison because it was released on TV and VHS/DVD in all the same regions.

[8000 Saiyan]

I didn't deny that, it DOES help, I'm just saying that if you show a ton of people music that is bad, that's just gonna be more people listening to bad music and disliking it. If it's good (yes, subjective I know) then people will praise it as it has happened with Faulconer's OST. In other words, what I was referring to is that it's not merely because it got the Toonami slot that it is liked. If it sucked to a majority of people over here, then it wouldn't be liked by people over here (on this scale).

And people don't initially watch a show for the music, but if it's executed really well that it resonates with people and makes them feel immersed, then it adds so much to the show and makes it even better.

I think you hit the nail on the head here. If the music had really been terrible like many people here claim, then you'd be hearing no end of comments from the masses complaining that the music ruins an otherwise great show, but that clearly isn't the case. If anything I've seen plenty of US fans go out of their way to praise the Faulconer music when discussing the show in general.

Earlier I used the Levy score as a comparison. Perhaps a better comparison would be the the Tom Keenlyside Megaman score from the Westwood dub, which was used for a large majority of the series in several territories like the UK, Ireland, Canada, and Holland. The show did extremely well in all those territories too, and yet that score doesn't get anywhere near the praise or mention as Faulconer. I know Youtube certainly isn't the be-all end-all of popularity, but it certainly serves as an indication. When you compare the Westwood OST videos to the Faucloner videos there's not even a comparison, with Faulconer getting way more views.

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The US and Australia are much bigger markets than the UK, Ireland and Holland. As for Canada, they didn't get the Westwood dub until the Cell arc so the fanbase was already accustomed to the Faulconer score, not to mention it was readily available on the home releases for years.

The reason the Westwood dub score doesn't seem to be as well regarded is simply because it didn't get anywhere near as much exposure, nothing more. If Funimation hired Keenlyside and AB used the Faulconer score its entirely possible the reverse would have been the case and the former score would have received the praise from people who grew up on it.

The Levy/Wasserman score would be a better point of comparison because it was released on TV and VHS/DVD in all the same regions.

I always thought that the reason why the Westwood dub score wasn't as well regarded as the Faulconer score was because people found it to be too repetitive.