Furuya Tooru (Yamcha) Admits to Physically Abusing Woman He Had An Affair With

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Re: Furuya Tooru (Yamcha) Admits to Physically Abusing Woman He Had An Affair With

Post by LoganForkHands73 » Mon May 27, 2024 5:58 pm

capsulecorp wrote: Mon May 27, 2024 4:10 pm Oh whoa this is the original actor? Totally misunderstood. Still, that only shifts the question...
Ignoring that mistake, if your question is similar to before...
capsulecorp wrote: Mon May 27, 2024 12:34 pm Why does this keep happening? Is the dub community just inherently toxic for some reason? Is this the fault of the fandom? I don't understand.
The voice acting industry is no different to any other part of the wider entertainment industry: it's full of unscrupulous assholes who abuse what little social power they have for all sorts of vices. I'm confused by your second question though. "Is it the fault of the fandom" that a famous voice actor abuses a woman? What does that mean?

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Post by capsulecorp » Mon May 27, 2024 6:12 pm

LoganForkHands73 wrote: Mon May 27, 2024 5:58 pm
capsulecorp wrote: Mon May 27, 2024 4:10 pm Oh whoa this is the original actor? Totally misunderstood. Still, that only shifts the question...
Ignoring that mistake, if your question is similar to before...
capsulecorp wrote: Mon May 27, 2024 12:34 pm Why does this keep happening? Is the dub community just inherently toxic for some reason? Is this the fault of the fandom? I don't understand.
The voice acting industry is no different to any other part of the wider entertainment industry: it's full of unscrupulous assholes who abuse what little social power they have for all sorts of vices. I'm confused by your second question though. "Is it the fault of the fandom" that a famous voice actor abuses a woman? What does that mean?
You're entirely correct that this kind of abuse of power is common throughout the entertainment industry. "Fandom" is why. Putting them on a platform, elevating them simply because they play a role in a product the fans enjoy, that's the dynamic behind a lot of these situations. Schemmel, for example, was abusing fans, correct?

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Post by MasenkoHA » Mon May 27, 2024 6:21 pm

capsulecorp wrote: Mon May 27, 2024 6:12 pm [. Schemmel, for example, was abusing fans, correct?
No, he did not. Why are you still on about that?

Worse he did was getting pissy at fans online for being critical of his Goku performance.

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Re: Furuya Tooru (Yamcha) Admits to Physically Abusing Woman He Had An Affair With

Post by LoganForkHands73 » Mon May 27, 2024 6:56 pm

capsulecorp wrote: Mon May 27, 2024 6:12 pm You're entirely correct that this kind of abuse of power is common throughout the entertainment industry. "Fandom" is why. Putting them on a platform, elevating them simply because they play a role in a product the fans enjoy, that's the dynamic behind a lot of these situations. Schemmel, for example, was abusing fans, correct?
It's true that there are complicated power dynamics going on between idols and fans, but boiling down the cause to "fandom" alone feels... simplistic at best, pretty insensitive to the issue at worst, I would say. It's likely that the woman had some greater level of trust and reverence for Toru because of her fandom for his acting work, but there were also basic expectations of human decency that someone would hopefully afford their partner in any relationship, let alone one going on for nearly five years. Toru was revealed himself to be a nasty piece of work and he alone should be held responsible for those actions, not his victim.

I'm not saying you're guilty of this, but there's a pretty sordid history of victim-blaming in fan circles whenever any celebrity scandal comes out. That banned troll from earlier was one example and I was surprised nobody (that I could see) was calling out his repeated "exploiting weakness" comments, implying that abuse victims are all weak. Considering all the other questionable shit he was saying (a fuckin George Floyd namedrop? Come on, man :roll: ), I can understand how that might have slipped past the radar.
Schemmel, for example, was abusing fans, correct?
Not that I'm aware of. The worst Schemmel is guilty of is making a few douchey/egotistical comments. Are you getting Sean Schemmel mixed up with Vic Mignogna? He's probably the most infamous case of abuse in the fandom. It's been mentioned that there are similar cases in other language dub casts, but again, it's not exclusive to any one side of the entertainment industry. I mean, you must've heard of #MeToo, right?

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Post by capsulecorp » Mon May 27, 2024 7:42 pm

LoganForkHands73 wrote: Mon May 27, 2024 6:56 pm I'm not saying you're guilty of this, but there's a pretty sordid history of victim-blaming in fan circles whenever any celebrity scandal comes out. That banned troll from earlier was one example and I was surprised nobody (that I could see) was calling out his repeated "exploiting weakness" comments, implying that abuse victims are all weak. Considering all the other questionable shit he was saying (a fuckin George Floyd namedrop? Come on, man :roll: ), I can understand how that might have slipped past the radar.
Schemmel, for example, was abusing fans, correct?
Not that I'm aware of. The worst Schemmel is guilty of is making a few douchey/egotistical comments. Are you getting Sean Schemmel mixed up with Vic Mignogna? He's probably the most infamous case of abuse in the fandom. It's been mentioned that there are similar cases in other language dub casts, but again, it's not exclusive to any one side of the entertainment industry. I mean, you must've heard of #MeToo, right?
Oh, for sure, no victim blaming intended of course. Indicting "fandom" isn't meant to imply that any individual fan is to blame for their abuse at the hands of people like this. What I'm trying to get at is the "culture" of fandom and celebrity, where people are elevated because of their mere proximity to greatness.

And yeah, I must having been thinking of Mignogna, my apologies.

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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Mon May 27, 2024 7:49 pm

Both the fandom and the Idolized can be bad. This time it was Furuya, the Idolized who was bad. The fandom can be too, like the fan who murdered that one Anime Fan Song Dub woman he admired.

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Mon May 27, 2024 8:22 pm

capsulecorp wrote: Mon May 27, 2024 12:34 pm Why does this keep happening? Is the dub community just inherently toxic for some reason? Is this the fault of the fandom? I don't understand.
What is it with people automatically assuming it’s the dub community when something goes wrong? This was someone from the Japanese cast. People have to stop putting them on a pedestal, they are just as capable as the dub actors or anyone else for doing bad things.

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Post by JulieYBM » Mon May 27, 2024 9:02 pm

I'm not trying to be a bitch or anything, but the title of the thread literally says Furuya Tooru, who is not exactly a voice actor in in the English dubbing industry.
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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Mon May 27, 2024 9:09 pm

JulieYBM wrote: Mon May 27, 2024 9:02 pm I'm not trying to be a bitch or anything, but the title of the thread literally says Furuya Tooru, who is not exactly a voice actor in in the English dubbing industry.
I was going to say the same, but I didnt want to look like I wanted to erase dub actors with asian names... Because I did it a long time ago. I said "Hiromi Hayakawa cant be a Mexican Dub Voice Actress!" She died along with her baby so I feel guilty since then. Julie is a very respectful person who loves the Japanese version so she can say it better than anyone without coming across as doing that.

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Post by MasenkoHA » Mon May 27, 2024 10:24 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote: Mon May 27, 2024 8:22 pm
capsulecorp wrote: Mon May 27, 2024 12:34 pm Why does this keep happening? Is the dub community just inherently toxic for some reason? Is this the fault of the fandom? I don't understand.
What is it with people automatically assuming it’s the dub community when something goes wrong? This was someone from the Japanese cast. People have to stop putting them on a pedestal, they are just as capable as the dub actors or anyone else for doing bad things.
Tbf, it was just one person. Everyone else could read.

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Mon May 27, 2024 10:44 pm

JulieYBM wrote: Mon May 27, 2024 9:02 pm I'm not trying to be a bitch or anything, but the title of the thread literally says Furuya Tooru, who is not exactly a voice actor in in the English dubbing industry.
Exactly, it’s just silly to make an assumption like that.

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Post by TobyS » Tue May 28, 2024 12:00 pm

Yeah this is terrible.

I think it depends on the job as to whether criminals get to keep it afterwards. In this case as he's playing heroes in kids media I don't think he should get to do it any more, but beyond that he actually used his fame to meet his victim so it seems fitting it's taken away.

My heart goes out to the victim.
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It's sad as Yamcha is my fave character and any recasting is jarring but it's a small price to pay to enforce consequences to actions and not retraumatize victims.

Yamcha had a mini resurgence with the manga, and being in Heroes 2nd newest arc and the Moro arc. I wonder if he's basically killed off his character now.

Another smaller thing to blame him for, he can just go back to written out obscurity now...
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Post by Koitsukai » Tue May 28, 2024 12:57 pm

Even if he was selling coffee at Starbucks, keeping your job after raping and manipulating somebody is definitely a no-no. Like, I wouldn't feel safe going to a store where a dude that raped his mistress and forced her to abort is right there. Nor would I feel ok working with him.

Self-absorbed take: Furuya's voice is one that you can pinpoint unlike other voices. The moment I heard Yamcha talking I knew it was Seiya, and when I heard Amuro speak I knew that was Yamcha. Doesn't happen to me that often with most VAs.
Yamcha is an old-school character but objectively a rearview mirror character by now, he hasn't been an active cast member since the Saiyan arc(if that counts), with a few cameos up until the Cell arc. Amuro is relevant but not that important in Det.Conan, however Seiya is the MC. Like, he's there all the time or most of the time, I guess it's a good thing that show is over.

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Post by capsulecorp » Tue May 28, 2024 3:23 pm

Cure Dragon 255 wrote: Mon May 27, 2024 9:09 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Mon May 27, 2024 9:02 pm I'm not trying to be a bitch or anything, but the title of the thread literally says Furuya Tooru, who is not exactly a voice actor in in the English dubbing industry.
I was going to say the same, but I didnt want to look like I wanted to erase dub actors with asian names... Because I did it a long time ago. I said "Hiromi Hayakawa cant be a Mexican Dub Voice Actress!" She died along with her baby so I feel guilty since then. Julie is a very respectful person who loves the Japanese version so she can say it better than anyone without coming across as doing that.
Yep. We shouldn't (and don't) assume that someone with a Japanese name can't be an english speaker or work as an english dub actor, and so on.

That said, and to be as fair as possible, some people probably do recognize the names of the VO cast! But not me lol.

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Post by MasenkoHA » Tue May 28, 2024 3:36 pm

capsulecorp wrote: Tue May 28, 2024 3:23 pm
Cure Dragon 255 wrote: Mon May 27, 2024 9:09 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Mon May 27, 2024 9:02 pm I'm not trying to be a bitch or anything, but the title of the thread literally says Furuya Tooru, who is not exactly a voice actor in in the English dubbing industry.
I was going to say the same, but I didnt want to look like I wanted to erase dub actors with asian names... Because I did it a long time ago. I said "Hiromi Hayakawa cant be a Mexican Dub Voice Actress!" She died along with her baby so I feel guilty since then. Julie is a very respectful person who loves the Japanese version so she can say it better than anyone without coming across as doing that.
Yep. We shouldn't (and don't) assume that someone with a Japanese name can't be an english speaker or work as an english dub actor, and so on.

That said, and to be as fair as possible, some people probably do recognize the names of the VO cast! But not me lol.
But we should assume when the topic creator puts the name of the actor and the character he played in paranthesis that this is who the topic was about and not go "Sean Schemmel was abusing fans, huh?"

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Post by tinlunlau » Tue May 28, 2024 3:40 pm

I believe in giving second chances and looked how well that worked out for Hong Kong actor Louis Koo who has confirmed he has a criminal record over 30 years ago. Man's invested in building schools for the poor, owns an entire movie studio, produced, produced and produced. As a matter of fact, he also executive produced the new Garfield movie. But Toru Furuya, kinda hard for him to bounce back from his misdeeds.
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Post by JulieYBM » Tue May 28, 2024 4:34 pm

Getting a second chance doesn't mean we gotta let him back into our homes, fandom spaces, or the public spotlight. Furuya can save that shit for his private life.
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Post by Jord » Tue May 28, 2024 4:59 pm

The company decides if he gets that second chance.
The viewer can decide if he will watch/buy the product.

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Post by BlueChi » Wed May 29, 2024 9:35 am

To be fair, Japan did make a necrophiliac cannibal rapist into a ""wholesome mascot"", complete with TV Shows, interviews, and pornography with actresses who had no idea of his criminal record.

Key difference here is that the victim was herself Japanese, while with the other person, the victim was French.
It hitting closer to home will, I think, not allow Furuya to get away scot-free.

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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Wed May 29, 2024 9:52 am

BlueChi wrote: Wed May 29, 2024 9:35 am To be fair, Japan did make a necrophiliac cannibal rapist into a ""wholesome mascot"", complete with TV Shows, interviews, and pornography with actresses who had no idea of his criminal record.

Key difference here is that the victim was herself Japanese, while with the other person, the victim was French.
It hitting closer to home will, I think, not allow Furuya to get away scot-free.
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