Season Six Discussion Thread

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:54 am

Metalwario64 wrote:Completely agreed! I'm also fairly confident that if there were no Dragon Boxes, people would be praising this set as the best the show has ever looked.

I just have to point out that the recent Italian release of the series has excellent quality, not to mention they are in 4:3. And don't the Spanish DVD's use Dragonbox footage?

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:02 am

My problem is they're not all loading :/. They stop at Yamcha SSJ hair.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:05 am

Metalwario64 wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:I don't know if I've said this yet but I also love how these sets look, sure they aren't the Dragonbox but compared to Season 2 they're godly.
Completely agreed! I'm also fairly confident that if there were no Dragon Boxes, people would be praising this set as the best the show has ever looked.

I highly doubt that. Season 2 is shit all by itself, doesn't matter if you compare it to the Dbox or not.

shotkeeper · Post by **shotkeeper** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:14 am

Hey Gozar, I already asked this, but does this set have grain like the double features or is it almost grainless like the other sets.

Also since you have probably watched most of the set. have you seen some broken lines?

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:53 am

Raki wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:I don't know if I've said this yet but I also love how these sets look, sure they aren't the Dragonbox but compared to Season 2 they're godly.
Completely agreed! I'm also fairly confident that if there were no Dragon Boxes, people would be praising this set as the best the show has ever looked.
I highly doubt that. Season 2 is shit all by itself, doesn't matter if you compare it to the Dbox or not.

...I said "this set". I don't mean the season sets as a whole, I mean this set here, alone, by itself.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:09 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:For Comparison purposes:

For comparison purposes, do not use "Blend Fields" as your deinterlacing process. It makes ALL images softer/blurrier than they actually are. Use a proper inverse telecine process. You'll get the original progressive, sharper images from that source.

Metalwario64 wrote:
Raki wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote: Completely agreed! I'm also fairly confident that if there were no Dragon Boxes, people would be praising this set as the best the show has ever looked.
I highly doubt that. Season 2 is shit all by itself, doesn't matter if you compare it to the Dbox or not.
...I said "this set". I don't mean the season sets as a whole, I mean this set here, alone, by itself.

I was under the impression that when they got the episodes DVR-ed by that "bad down conversion" guy they got the WHOLE series done at once. I though the real difference in episode quality was the quality of FUNIs masters (which are junk mostly).

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:36 pm

Amount of footage comparison:

It looks like we are actually gaining nearly as much as we lose this time around.

Color comparison:

The colors on the Dragon Box appear brighter and more faded, whereas the Season 6 colors are a bit more saturated.

Frame by Frame comparison:

This is just to show how close the footage is and is another way to compare the colors.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:40 pm

Nice job on that frame by frame thing and if I had to choose I'd go with the Dragonbox frame, but there's not really that big of a difference.

Vegard Aune · Post by **Vegard Aune** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:22 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:*Dragonbox-Season 6-comparison*

Looks pretty good. Now, if we'd just get the same frame from the FUNi-singles in there, as that's really what I want to know about: Does this release have less footage than those on ANY side of the frame? If not, then I might actually start buying the sets again.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:49 pm

Vegard Aune wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:*Dragonbox-Season 6-comparison*
Looks pretty good. Now, if we'd just get the same frame from the FUNi-singles in there, as that's really what I want to know about: Does this release have less footage than those on ANY side of the frame? If not, then I might actually start buying the sets again.

Forgot, this is the same frame from the singles (although it looks my de-interlacer didn't do a great job here and I'm not tweaking it by hand right now)

Oddly enough, it looks like the singles had closer to DBox color than the widescreen releases (I'm looking at the blue Kamehame-Ha aura)

And the macro-blocking I'm talking about not more than 3 or 4 frames away from that same shot (and there are worse scenes in terms of the macro blocking throughout the episode).

Vegard Aune · Post by **Vegard Aune** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:54 pm

ect5150 wrote:*The image I requested*

Thanks. Hmm, well, it could look better, but all in all, I'm actually feeling tempted to buy this particular set, as it has Gohan's transformation-scene, and the rest of the Cell-games-arc which I've only seen in english, so I'd love to watch the japanese version for once. (<-Absolutely NOT in any way a dub-fan, and has long since stopped watching the dub entirely, even IF there are no other options, which was usually the case back when I tried watching it on Youtube)

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:04 pm

I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if after all the season sets came out, Funi put out a Blu Ray, or even regular DVD box set, that had all the episodes in regular 4:3 format, maybe even DragonBox footage, and called it "THE ULTIMATE MASTERS COLLECTION VERSION sorry about the season sets"

MagicBox · Post by **MagicBox** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:14 pm

I'm in the same boat as Vegard Aune. After seeing an old-FUNi-disc comparison, I'm actually tempted to pick this one up too. Extremely tempted, in fact. We lose almost nothing compared to the old disc. I'll still probably end up waiting, though. I just know FUNi's going to do something after the season sets. I just know it.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:19 pm

shotkeeper wrote:Hey Gozar, I already asked this, but does this set have grain like the double features or is it almost grainless like the other sets.

Also since you have probably watched most of the set. have you seen some broken lines?

Um, there's still some grain. I wouldn't say the grain is as good as the Double Feature's...But still looks nice.

As for the DBOX comparison...When I saw the smaller image of that scene in DBOX it was harder to see the differences. But with a bigger comparison I can see it better now. Nice job on that. It's not a huge difference, especially compared to the old singles though. I think the Seasons set still look great, good on FUNi here. Though I'd still take the DBOX color.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:32 pm

Thank you very, very much Metalwario64 for the comparison .gif, it's awesome! I showed it to my brother and sister (who are fans of cartoons but not super big fans of Dragonball) and they both said that they preferred the Funi colors. I see where they're coming from, since brighter colors are generally more visually pleasing, and as long as Funi is representing the series in a way that pleases so many fans and creates new fans I will give them some support.

It sucks how the season they do the best on has some of the worst cover art and the least amount of episodes per dollar out of all of them!!!

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:07 pm

Season 6's colors seem to be much more saturated than previous releases? Aw poops.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:54 pm

Updated Footage Comparison:

...Holy crap! We lose almost nothing in Season Six!! We actually gain more this time around! Oh my goodness!

Updated Animated Color Comparison:

*In order of: Singles(lightest), Dragon Box, Season Six(darkest)*

Yeah, they are all very different. The singles were too bright and greenish, while the Season Six footage is darker, but more vibrant. The Dragon Boxes are a middle ground.

snaku · Post by **snaku** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:04 pm

Man, I cannot wait for Toei to release the Dragon Box's on Blu-ray.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:07 pm

Man all of you guys must have some Sharingan eyes or something cause I honestly can't see the difference.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:22 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:Yeah, they are all very different. The singles were too bright and greenish, while the Season Six footage is darker, but more vibrant. The Dragon Boxes are a middle ground.

Agreed...Though I'll gladly take the Season Sets color over the old Singles.