dbzfan7 wrote:Tails wasn't there because he was too busy preparing his fighters for the Universe Survival Arc
coola wrote:Hilarious as always, and they even had Sonic Sez with Cell i will never understand however, why SEGA made every character but Sonic slow? In old Genesis games, everyone was equally fast, and had different abilities
Kabooms old quote basically answers this question perfectly if we apply it to Sonic.
Kaboom wrote:
The Fans. wrote:But the thing is that Sonic now in his base form is already stronger than anyone else. So why continue to omit abilities from other characters?
Because it's not enough for Sonic to be made more special. Other characters have to be made less special in turn.
So Sonic became Goku before Goku? Or is it the reverse, I'm not super in depth on Sonic lore
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How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
dbzfan7 wrote:Tails wasn't there because he was too busy preparing his fighters for the Universe Survival Arc
coola wrote:Hilarious as always, and they even had Sonic Sez with Cell i will never understand however, why SEGA made every character but Sonic slow? In old Genesis games, everyone was equally fast, and had different abilities
Kabooms old quote basically answers this question perfectly if we apply it to Sonic.
Kaboom wrote: Because it's not enough for Sonic to be made more special. Other characters have to be made less special in turn.
So Sonic became Goku before Goku? Or is it the reverse, I'm not super in depth on Sonic lore
Nah Goku did it first with GT....but even then really only Gohan seemed nerfed.....if you want to count the GT perfect Files then he wasn't. Though it does have things in common with Super, such as characters getting weaker or stupider all to make the main character look that much better, even the villains too have to look bad. Sonic has Goku beat in destroying the usefulness of his supporting cast XD.
Just guess which character had the biggest nerf...go on guess....shouldn't be hard. What other big potential character suddenly forgot how good they were, became a lot weaker, and suddenly almost useless. Just guess.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
coola wrote:why SEGA made every character but Sonic slow? In old Genesis games, everyone was equally fast, and had different abilities
I'd say that it mostly has to do with Sonic Team failing to adequately translate the gameplay into the third dimension while retaining even a fraction of the substance that the Genesis games had. Supplementary gameplay styles needed to be created to compensate for that, act as a form of padding, and ensure that the games had enough content. Different characters have tended to occupy the roles of these different gameplay styles.
Rather than using 3D animation, I would have preferred it to use Sonix X footage to keep it all hand drawn, anime, and WHY IS CELL PURPLE?
SonicXDragon Ball. My non-existent 6 year old Simon 4Kids fanfics have been realized.
Spoiler:
Dragon Ball Episode 14: Goku's Rival wrote:
Muten Roshi: Bring me a Pichi-pichi gal here. Do that, and I can train you
Son Goku: What's a Bitchy bitchy gag?
Dragon Ball Super Chapter 24: Son Goku's Evolution wrote:
Zamasu:What about you?! Are you prepared to kneel before god?
Vegeta: Don't screw with me... I an the Prince of all Saiyans... Even if I have to die... ...I'LL NEVER GIVE UP MY PRIDE!!!
Innagadadavida wrote:I don't really think it's worth getting worked up about. Very soon we will have our own Wiki. And over time, it will be bigger, better, and more accurate than theirs. We'll have standards. We'll have quality control. We'll have better information. And I'm sure, people will naturally gravitate to it once there is some substance.
The best way to fix the giant cancer that is the DB Wiki is to provide an alternative for those who really want it. Even those who prefer dub names will wind up looking things up on the Kanzenshuu Wiki. Because sooner or later, they're going to need information they know they can trust.
penguintruth wrote:"New in 16:9! It's DBZ as you've partially seen it before!"
VegettoEX wrote:Gonna publish a book called “The Kanzenshuu” and it will have 199 blank pages followed by 1 page with text that simply says “nah Goku is gay though”.
coola wrote:Cell Vs Sonic & Knuckles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAfONEwrrsE
Hilarious as always, and they even had Sonic Sez with Cell i will never understand however, why SEGA made every character but Sonic slow? In old Genesis games, everyone was equally fast, and had different abilities
Actually, considering the Sonic-verse... Sonic should have a chance here...
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Spoiler:
HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
The second best Cell Vs yet. Honestly my favorite bits in this were when Cell was easily out pacing Sonic, and when he had the Chaos emeralds, man the music during that part was great. Also I'm waiting for a challenger who can actually face off against Cell, and not get horribly stomped like everyone else here.
Also, we got our second Yugioh fight! It seems that Jaden possessed Sonic's body, that's why he didn't know how to beat Cell.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Spoiler:
HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
Kanassa wrote:Also, we got our second Yugioh fight! It seems that Jaden possessed Sonic's body, that's why he didn't know how to beat Cell.
It's 'cuz of ShadyVox, right?
"I'm Sonic(Jaden Yuki) and I'm flawless!"
Spoiler:
Dragon Ball Episode 14: Goku's Rival wrote:
Muten Roshi: Bring me a Pichi-pichi gal here. Do that, and I can train you
Son Goku: What's a Bitchy bitchy gag?
Dragon Ball Super Chapter 24: Son Goku's Evolution wrote:
Zamasu:What about you?! Are you prepared to kneel before god?
Vegeta: Don't screw with me... I an the Prince of all Saiyans... Even if I have to die... ...I'LL NEVER GIVE UP MY PRIDE!!!
Innagadadavida wrote:I don't really think it's worth getting worked up about. Very soon we will have our own Wiki. And over time, it will be bigger, better, and more accurate than theirs. We'll have standards. We'll have quality control. We'll have better information. And I'm sure, people will naturally gravitate to it once there is some substance.
The best way to fix the giant cancer that is the DB Wiki is to provide an alternative for those who really want it. Even those who prefer dub names will wind up looking things up on the Kanzenshuu Wiki. Because sooner or later, they're going to need information they know they can trust.
penguintruth wrote:"New in 16:9! It's DBZ as you've partially seen it before!"
VegettoEX wrote:Gonna publish a book called “The Kanzenshuu” and it will have 199 blank pages followed by 1 page with text that simply says “nah Goku is gay though”.
FoolsGil wrote:Yeah, can Cell really move so fast he could leave physical copies? Sounds like fanwank, sorry.
Plus, I'm pretty sure even if you were fast enough to do so, it'd be impossible to do anything with them since you'd be putting to much work into trying to keep them up.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Spoiler:
HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
Gog wrote:The second best Cell Vs yet. Honestly my favorite bits in this were when Cell was easily out pacing Sonic, and when he had the Chaos emeralds, man the music during that part was great. Also I'm waiting for a challenger who can actually face off against Cell, and not get horribly stomped like everyone else here.
Technically Yusuke and Kuwabara just left without fighting, and Yugi left because he didn't want to play by the rules or follow the banlist.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:Yeah, can Cell really move so fast he could leave physical copies? Sounds like fanwank, sorry.
Plus, I'm pretty sure even if you were fast enough to do so, it'd be impossible to do anything with them since you'd be putting to much work into trying to keep them up.
The Flash could do something like that IIRC, but then again his writers basically give him tons of random powers that make no sense and then try to explain them all with 'he's fast'.
Gog wrote:The second best Cell Vs yet. Honestly my favorite bits in this were when Cell was easily out pacing Sonic, and when he had the Chaos emeralds, man the music during that part was great. Also I'm waiting for a challenger who can actually face off against Cell, and not get horribly stomped like everyone else here.
Technically Yusuke and Kuwabara just left without fighting, and Yugi left because he didn't want to play by the rules or follow the banlist.
And Cell stomped every single one of them. Yusuke and Kuwabara left because they couldn't even destroy the planet, and Yugi left because he got schooled by Cell
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
So is Shadyvox doing abridge work again? He's always had one of my favorite voices in the community and I was happy to hear him again. Also, surprised Faulerro didn't voice Knuckles considering he is basically the unofficial fan voice of Knuckles now with Big's Big Fishing Adventure 3.
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That's some good salt XD. Oh my goodness in less than 8 hours, it has more comments than last weeks video. It'll easily surpass the others from triggered Sonic fans. DBZ vs Sonic is literally as controversial as Goku vs Superman.
Also Shady and Edward for Sonic & Knuckles. I'd take them both over the crappy voices we got now a days. One actually sounding his age, and one not sounding like a surfer dumbass.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Didn't notice there was a thread for this until now, great job they are doing with DBZ Abridged
One thing, in the Cell vs Sonic and Knuckles video, the spanish subs are completely wrong, don't know how the hell that person even dare to translate when every single phrase is wrong and nothing matches with what the characters say.
Ideally I'd like Cell vs Scott Pilgrim, but that's impossible. What would be easier to do is Cell vs Naruto or Mario.
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dbzfan7 wrote:That's some good salt XD. Oh my goodness in less than 8 hours, it has more comments than last weeks video. It'll easily surpass the others from triggered Sonic fans. DBZ vs Sonic is literally as controversial as Goku vs Superman.
Also Shady and Edward for Sonic & Knuckles. I'd take them both over the crappy voices we got now a days. One actually sounding his age, and one not sounding like a surfer dumbass.
Where's the salt though? All I see are people pointing out that Archie Sonic could've ended Cell; all they're saying is that one version of Sonic was ridiculously OP. What's the problem there?
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
dbzfan7 wrote:That's some good salt XD. Oh my goodness in less than 8 hours, it has more comments than last weeks video. It'll easily surpass the others from triggered Sonic fans. DBZ vs Sonic is literally as controversial as Goku vs Superman.
Also Shady and Edward for Sonic & Knuckles. I'd take them both over the crappy voices we got now a days. One actually sounding his age, and one not sounding like a surfer dumbass.
Where's the salt though? All I see are people pointing out that Archie Sonic could've ended Cell; all they're saying is that one version of Sonic was ridiculously OP. What's the problem there?
The one's who are going back and forth debating strength in a comedy video, that's the salty people. Even the current writer of that comic series finds it literally silly XD.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
i will never understand however, why SEGA made every character but Sonic slow? In old Genesis games, everyone was equally fast, and had different abilities
