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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ripper 30 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:14 am

Aman wrote:- Super was all round garbage and if it weren't for nostalgia and DB's success, it would have flopped.

- The Goku-Vegeta rivalry is overrated, Naruto-Sasuke, Deku-Bakugo-Shoto are far better.

- Super was the worst series for Goku and Vegeta character wise.

-SSB and SSG are by far the worst and weakest transformations of the entire series. Even as a big Gohan fan, I don't care if he gets it or not. IMO mystic is better, even though it's far weaker.
tbh, Naruto Sasuke one is even more overrated. the biggest problem with Naruto, even bigger than the war arc stuff, is that Kishimoto fucking forgot to have Naruto and Sasuke bond at all after the Zabuza Arc. And there's no time skip between that and Sasuke leaving, we know for a fact that the two only bonded once ever.

If you ever played any Breath of Fire videogame, the plot is pretty much the same but there is a contex and a backstory for each character that supports this (they where friends, they grew up together, they where trained by the same master, and so on)... However, this doesn't happen in Naruto. They weren't best friends and they didn't have any common ground, so why the heck didn't Naruto just beat Sasuke up and be done with it? Why was he set on "bring him back"? This was a false storyline created for Shojo Yuri Yaoi nich markets, and yes it worked for a while but overall it's forced and cringy as hell. Naruto became too earnest in trying to save Sasgay in a series that was trying to impose a political and realistic taste in a story.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Cetra » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:41 am

I hate every drawing of Freeza's true form that is not in the original manga or not in the anime adaption of those episodes. They other drawings look way too defined which takes away from his false harmlessness and clean, inhuman look. Not counting stuff like battle bruises that are added to his drawings in the manga, of course, as he would only have them temporarily. I dislike especially how over-defined his muscles and his face are nowadays or in filler episodes and movies. It seems Toyble tries to make him look more faithful to the original but gives him too thick lips.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:45 am

Cetra wrote:I hate every drawing of Freeza's true form that is not in the original manga or not in the anime adaption of those episodes. They other drawings look way too defined which takes away from his false harmlessness and clean, inhuman look. Not counting stuff like battle bruises that are added to his drawings in the manga, of course, as he would only have them temporarily. I dislike especially how over-defined his muscles and his face are nowadays or in filler episodes and movies. It seems Toyble tries to make him look more faithful to the original but gives him too thick lips.
Even the Shintani designs? Those look fairly close to the Namek era art style, maybe a bit softer.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:02 pm

Aman wrote: - Super was the worst series for Goku and Vegeta character wise.
It is not an unpopular opinion at all... at least not in Goku's case.

Man, did Super fuck his character up!
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Dbzfan94 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:00 pm

Aman wrote:- Super was all round garbage and if it weren't for nostalgia and DB's success, it would have flopped.

- The Goku-Vegeta rivalry is overrated, Naruto-Sasuke, Deku-Bakugo-Shoto are far better.

- Super was the worst series for Goku and Vegeta character wise.

-SSB and SSG are by far the worst and weakest transformations of the entire series. Even as a big Gohan fan, I don't care if he gets it or not. IMO mystic is better, even though it's far weaker.
Agreed on all of these tbh.

Going off that I'd like to add one of my own. The Goku-Piccolo rivalry was better than the Goku-Vegeta rivalry.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Noah » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:30 am

Aman wrote:- Super was all round garbage and if it weren't for nostalgia and DB's success, it would have flopped.
- The Goku-Vegeta rivalry is overrated, Naruto-Sasuke, Deku-Bakugo-Shoto are far better.
- Super was the worst series for Goku and Vegeta character wise.
- That isn't exactly unpopular, also if weren't for DB sucess, Super would not even exist.

- It is indeed a one-sided rivalry as Goku never saw Vegeta the same way, but I blame Super on forcing that way more than Z to the point it was unbearable to watch scene of them together.

- Also not unpopular, Goku was more mature in the Boo arc, hell even Kid Goku from GT had more maturity, Super Goku is god damn annoying. Vegeta regressed to his past Cell arc self, always grumpy and rude at people for no reason, in the Boo arc he had great development but Super trashed that.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:It is not an unpopular opinion at all... at least not in Goku's case.

Man, did Super fuck his character up!
Super fuck them both.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by GT_Goten10 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:45 am

Noah wrote:
Aman wrote:- Super was all round garbage and if it weren't for nostalgia and DB's success, it would have flopped.
- The Goku-Vegeta rivalry is overrated, Naruto-Sasuke, Deku-Bakugo-Shoto are far better.
- Super was the worst series for Goku and Vegeta character wise.
- That isn't exactly unpopular, also if weren't for DB sucess, Super would not even exist.

- It is indeed a one-sided rivalry as Goku never saw Vegeta the same way, but I blame Super on forcing that way more than Z to the point it was unbearable to watch scene of them together.

- Also not unpopular, Goku was more mature in the Boo arc, hell even Kid Goku from GT had more maturity, Super Goku is god damn annoying. Vegeta regressed to his past Cell arc self, always grumpy and rude at people for no reason, in the Boo arc he had great development but Super trashed that.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:It is not an unpopular opinion at all... at least not in Goku's case.

Man, did Super fuck his character up!
Super fuck them both.
It’s insane that Kid GT Goku is actually more mature than Adult Goku (DBS)
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Majin Jator » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:49 pm

GT_Goten10 wrote:
It’s insane that Kid GT Goku is actually more mature than Adult Goku (DBS)
Well, he is older. There's nothing insane about that.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Grimlock » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:57 pm

Majin Jator wrote:Well, he is older. There's nothing insane about that.
Agree. It's not like we can expect a 43-year-old kid (in an adult body) to act like a grown-up, we should wait Goku to turn 52 (and become a kid) so that he can be matured. Goku's age and attitude works reversely. :P

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:28 pm

gohann wrote:-I don't think Chris Sabat is a terrible actor.
Is that really unpopular?

I'm not sure if this is unpopular or not, but I like Moneca Stori's Videl. Sure, I prefer Kara Edwards, Erika Harlacher and Yuko Minaguchi, but she did fine IMO. And I didn't really mind her using her Kagome voice since she sounds like that all the time.
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Post by WittyUsername » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:52 pm

I don’t know if this still qualifies as an unpopular opinion, but I don’t think that Sean Schemmel’s Goku voice has ever really been as macho sounding as people make it out to be. When I think of a Goku voice that sounds too macho, I think of Big Green Goku.

On another dub related note, I don’t think the voice acting in the edited dub that FUNimation did with Saban was really that great. Sure, the voice acting was better than what the in-house dub sounded like at first, but the delivery still often sounded like they were either trying too hard (let’s be honest here, “IT’S OVER 9000 “ wouldn’t have become a meme if it hadn’t been for Brian Drummond’s over the top delivery) or not trying enough. Also, there still were some minor characters who sounded absolutely ridiculous, such as that Namekian elder who Vegeta killed. I don’t blame the Ocean voice cast, since the Pioneer dubs of movies 1-3 showed that they can do fine with better direction, but I don’t think the switch to the in-house voice cast for the main series was quite as big of a downgrade as people make it out to be.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by kudo6000 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:20 pm

I found Toriyama's art style towards the end of the manga during the Boo arc oddly more charming than the art in the Cell, Artificial Humans, Freeza, and Saiyan arcs.

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Post by 8000 Saiyan » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:50 am

Sure, there were some characters that sounded absolutely ridiculous in the Saban dub, but even that practice was carried over to the in-house dub. McFarland's Roshi, Hebert's Ox-King, Schemmel's King Kai and Sabat's Recoome come to mind as characters who sound absolutely ridiculous, unless McFarland in real life sounds like a moron who can't never sound serious when in a serious moment. Seriously, I'll never get the praise McFarland gets as Master Roshi. Being able to handle comedic moments means absolutely nothing if you are unable to sound serious when delivering serious moments or badass when it comes to that Kamehameha delivery in one of the episodes of the Emperor Pilaf Saga.

And if you ask me, yes, it was a big downgrade changing from the Ocean cast to the in-house cast. It felt like a big slap to the series that was originally recorded by professional voice actors from Japan for only to have it being recorded in English by a bunch of unexperienced guys in Texas. I'm not saying that DBZ needed to be recorded by Robert De Niro, Meryl Streep and Marlon Brando, but it just needed to be recorded by people who knew what the fuck they were doing.

If there's one thing that I'll give the in-house cast is praise for finally giving us a respectable dub with Kai. It's just a damn shame that we had to wait eleven long years for them to show us that they indeed could rise to a level beyond mediocrity. Oh, and I'll give them credit for Rick Robertson, Kyle Hebert, Dameon Clarke, Kent Williams, Chuck Huber, Kara Edwards, Andrew Chandler, Chris Rager and Duncan Brannan.

I guess them taking eleven long years to give us a tolerable dub is another reason why I can't never go back to watching their stuff. It's like: "Oh, they can finally act now. ", even though they should have learned how to act a long time ago.
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Post by WittyUsername » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:30 am

8000 Saiyan wrote:Sure, there were some characters that sounded absolutely ridiculous in the Saban dub, but even that practice was carried over to the in-house dub. McFarland's Roshi, Hebert's Ox-King, Schemmel's King Kai and Sabat's Recoome come to mind as characters who sound absolutely ridiculous, unless McFarland in real life sounds like a moron who can't never sound serious when in a serious moment. Seriously, I'll never get the praise McFarland gets as Master Roshi. Being able to handle comedic moments means absolutely nothing if you are unable to sound serious when delivering serious moments or badass when it comes to that Kamehameha delivery in one of the episodes of the Emperor Pilaf Saga.

And if you ask me, yes, it was a big downgrade changing from the Ocean cast to the in-house cast. It felt like a big slap to the series that was originally recorded by professional voice actors from Japan for only to have it being recorded in English by a bunch of unexperienced guys in Texas. I'm not saying that DBZ needed to be recorded by Robert De Niro, Meryl Streep and Marlon Brando, but it just needed to be recorded by people who knew what the fuck they were doing.

If there's one thing that I'll give the in-house cast is praise for finally giving us a respectable dub with Kai. It's just a damn shame that we had to wait eleven long years for them to show us that they indeed could rise to a level beyond mediocrity. Oh, and I'll give them credit for Rick Robertson, Kyle Hebert, Dameon Clarke, Kent Williams, Chuck Huber, Kara Edwards, Andrew Chandler, Chris Rager and Duncan Brannan.

I guess them taking eleven long years to give us a tolerable dub is another reason why I can't never go back to watching their stuff. It's like: "Oh, they can finally act now. ", even though they should have learned how to act a long time ago.
I never said the practice of silly voices didn’t get carried over to the in-house dub. My point was that the practice of having ridiculous voices in a Dragon Ball dub didn’t start in 1999. I just don’t think the change from the Ocean cast to the in-house cast was as big of a downgrade as people make it out to be. Sure, it was a downgrade to an extent, but not as much as people act like. Mind you, I don’t care much for Ocean productions in general. I wasn’t entirely crazy about Beast Wars, I hated X-Men: Evolution, My Little Pony is a joke, and the only actor who I think did a truly amazing job in ReBoot was Tony Jay.

I’m not saying they’re bad actors or anything, but the problem with Ocean productions is that a good chunk of them are Saturday morning cartoons from Canada that, as far as I know, are a cheaper alternative to using LA voice actors. I hear a lot of praise for the dubs of Death Note and Black Lagoon, and I’m sure those dubs are pretty great, but those are also shows that are much more mature than most of the other works done with the Ocean group. As a whole, the Ocean group just seems like they’ve been used for a lot of low tier cartoons.

Frankly, I never understood the praise for voices such as Brian Drummond’s Vegeta. To me, he makes Vegeta sound like a one-note bad guy. Sure, his screams were pretty good, but the voice as a whole just doesn’t fit Vegeta, in my opinion. It really seems like the main thing his Vegeta voice is remembered for is giving us a meme. I’ll take Chris Sabat’s current voice for Vegeta over him.

I’m still interested in seeing how the Ocean dub of Kai turns out, but I can’t imagine it really topping FUNimation’s dub, especially if they’re using a replacement score.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by coola » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:29 pm

Nineteen wrote:Android 19, my namesake, is incredibly underrated.

Yes, I know he doesn't get much to do. He's completely subservient to Gero, then gets smoked by Vegeta for no reason other than to build up his Super Saiyan transformation.

But from a character design perspective he's probably the best thing to come out of the Android arc. He taps into one of the universal phobias of mankind - the fear of clowns. And he shares with Freeza an appearance which belies the depths of his power. Moreover, it's a rare case where the Funi dub improves on the source material, in this case the synthetic voice filter that works so well.

I've actually always kind of resented the retcon introduction of 17 and 18, because I've always been curious about Toriyama's original plans for 19 and 20. It's difficult to believe they'd have been fodderized so quickly in a world where the twins were never introduced. I feel like 19's visual design could have become iconic had he been given more of a chance in the storyline to be an actual threat, rather than as a red herring switched out at the last minute for characters I don't find visually as interesting.

I'd love to see 19 and 20 brought back (and done well, unlike in GT). Unlike Freeza I didn't get my fill of them when their arc in Z was first airing. I think 19 is a prime candidate for the Super 17 treatment, being fully mechanical.
He was also very smart, if he transplanted Gero brain to cyborg body.

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Post by 8000 Saiyan » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:39 pm

Meh, to each his own I suppose. I don't get the praise that Sabat's Vegeta gets, at least in Z. He never sounded like a prince to me, he sounded more like a loud idiot with trachea issues.
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8000 Saiyan wrote:Meh, to each his own I suppose. I don't get the praise that Sabat's Vegeta gets, at least in Z. He never sounded like a prince to me, he sounded more like a loud idiot with trachea issues.
Chris Sabat’s Vegeta had a progression to it throughout the run of Z that culminated in how he currently plays the character. He started off as a bad Brian Drummond impression, but by the latter half of the Buu arc, he managed to make the role his own, and it continued to improve from there. Same thing goes for his Piccolo, honestly.

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Post by 8000 Saiyan » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:40 pm

WittyUsername wrote:
8000 Saiyan wrote:Meh, to each his own I suppose. I don't get the praise that Sabat's Vegeta gets, at least in Z. He never sounded like a prince to me, he sounded more like a loud idiot with trachea issues.
Chris Sabat’s Vegeta had a progression to it throughout the run of Z that culminated in how he currently plays the character. He started off as a bad Brian Drummond impression, but by the latter half of the Buu arc, he managed to make the role his own, and it continued to improve from there. Same thing goes for his Piccolo, honestly.
Yeah, I know, but I don't consider him to be irreplaceable.
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What does a prince sound like?
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ABED wrote:What does a prince sound like?
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