Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

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Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:18 pm

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It was a world wide success. Sales show Battle of Gods was very successful and positive. Forums do not dictate the overall impressions. Battle of Gods wasn't mixed, it did very well. I'd need to see movie review scores to see how critics rated it. I don't remember mixed views from critics.

Point is he's on a pedestal that people line up to protect. If anyone honestly thinks Toriyama is someone who thought all of this through, they're sorely mistaken. Most rationalizations basically come to interpretations to try and cover for errors. Some though I would agree are alright cases, but even then it's mostly just covering bases for people who aren't even trying. There's already much better ways to get their story out, but instead they take the questionable routes. I can't see any single person here looking at what we know so far, and thinking it sounds awesome if it were done strictly from a fan.


World Wide Sucess where, dude? Prove that afirmation sending me a link with a serious movie critic site with positive reviews about BOG.
This movie was only a sucess for those who really don't care for the series or just started watching in the past 5 years. All that story about Destruction Gods that are way beyond Goku's power, inconsistency with characters age, excessive overpower, short and lame fight scenes and other several reasons.

I really hope all those movies that pass before EoZ don't screw the EoZ itself, just for you guys to be thinking... In BOG Goku met an opponent way beyond Majin Boo's power level and now that he obtained godly powers why he would be so excited in Uub, the reincarnation of Majin Boo? Doesn't make any sense.

That's just a reason that I think BOG should be filler
Simple. It reached it's goal in Japan of 3 billion yen, and had world wide releases. That wouldn't happen if the movie was just mixed. The movie didn't flop anywhere in the world, much to my knowledge. Why would the movie branch out if it was simply mixed or didn't make a lot in it's home country (Where it made the most money by the way). Battle of Gods was far more positively than negative according to box office.
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Post by JulieYBM » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:19 pm

Huh, Toriyama drew some concept art this time, I guess. I guess he drew them to give Yamamuro and the others an idea of what he was imagining.
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Post by Kakarot9001 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:20 pm

Your posts are consistently meandering, condescending, and - perhaps most importantly - wrong.

If you value this website and your time within the community at all, please review the community guidelines, which you agreed to (twice) prior to registration. As it stands, I don't see you lasting here very long. Please prove me wrong.
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Post by fadeddreams5 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:23 pm

Kakarot9001 wrote:
It was a world wide success. Sales show Battle of Gods was very successful and positive. Forums do not dictate the overall impressions. Battle of Gods wasn't mixed, it did very well. I'd need to see movie review scores to see how critics rated it. I don't remember mixed views from critics.

Point is he's on a pedestal that people line up to protect. If anyone honestly thinks Toriyama is someone who thought all of this through, they're sorely mistaken. Most rationalizations basically come to interpretations to try and cover for errors. Some though I would agree are alright cases, but even then it's mostly just covering bases for people who aren't even trying. There's already much better ways to get their story out, but instead they take the questionable routes. I can't see any single person here looking at what we know so far, and thinking it sounds awesome if it were done strictly from a fan.


World Wide Sucess where, dude? Prove that afirmation sending me a link with a serious movie critic site with positive reviews about BOG.
This movie was only a sucess for those who really don't care for the series or just started watching in the past 5 years. All that story about Destruction Gods that are way beyond Goku's power, inconsistency with characters age, excessive overpower, short and lame fight scenes and other several reasons.

I really hope all those movies that pass before EoZ don't screw the EoZ itself, just for you guys to be thinking... In BOG Goku met an opponent way beyond Majin Boo's power level and now that he obtained godly powers why he would be so excited in Uub, the reincarnation of Majin Boo? Doesn't make any sense.

That's just a reason that I think BOG should be filler
He's excited about Uub's potential. Frieza becoming as strong as he will by mere training is pretty much indication of how incredibly powerful Uub can become. The first step would be reawakening his latent power. Then, the sky's the limit.
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Post by Drayenko » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:26 pm

Oh, you people do anything to justify the unjustifiable.

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Post by Dyno » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:26 pm

Speaking of Uub... The more Kakarot gets stronger, the more Uub also gets. Remember the kick that made Kakarot's arm trembling? I don't think Kuririn, Piccolo, Son Gohan and Tenshinhan could also do that on him. His potential keeps growing whenever Kakarot receives a power-up. Crazy, huh? :o

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:27 pm

Drayenko wrote:Oh, you people do anything to justify the unjustifiable.
It's true though!
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Post by Drayenko » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:30 pm

What I loved so much about the 2008 special was that they acknowledge the villain is so weak, it's just not worth mentioning it.

But this new movies are taking everything to a new scale and just don't fit in with what we have. You can force it in, if that's gonna make you happy... but whatever...


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Post by Kakarot9001 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:33 pm

He's excited about Uub's potential. Freeza becoming as strong as he will by mere training is pretty much indication of how incredibly powerful Uub can become. The first step would be reawakening his latent power. Then, the sky's the limit.
That's okay I guess... But as Uub being Majin Boo reicarnation the peak of his power wouldn't be at Kid Boo power level? That's why I find that Goku shouldn't be so excited at all after meeting guys like Beerus and Whis

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Post by Kakarot9001 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:38 pm

Dyno wrote:Speaking of Uub... The more Kakarot gets stronger, the more Uub also gets. Remember the kick that made Kakarot's arm trembling? I don't think Kuririn, Piccolo, Son Gohan and Tenshinhan could also do that on him. His potential keeps growing whenever Kakarot receives a power-up. Crazy, huh? :o
Ultimate Gohan couldn't make Goku's arm tremble? Also for that... I'm afraid that in this movie they will make Goku and Vegeta to be stronger than Gohan who was thought to be the strongest in Earth in EoZ

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:40 pm

Kakarot9001 wrote:
He's excited about Uub's potential. Freeza becoming as strong as he will by mere training is pretty much indication of how incredibly powerful Uub can become. The first step would be reawakening his latent power. Then, the sky's the limit.
That's okay I guess... But as Uub being Majin Boo reicarnation the peak of his power wouldn't be at Kid Boo power level? That's why I find that Goku shouldn't be so excited at all after meeting guys like Beerus and Whis
We don't know what Uub's cap is. If we assume he already has Kid Buu's power, but hasn't tapped into it yet, then his cap is whatever Kid Buu's would be if he ever trained. An untrained Kid Buu was already at SSJ3 level or greater. Food for thought.
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Post by Dyno » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:41 pm

Kakarot9001 wrote:Ultimate Gohan couldn't make Goku's arm tremble? Also for that... I'm afraid that in this movie they will make Goku and Vegeta to be stronger than Gohan who was thought to be the strongest in Earth in EoZ
By the end of the series, no. In peace days, Son Gohan never train (as stated by Akira himself, as well), so at one point (totally off-screen), Kakarot and Vegeta surpassed him. Like, Son Gohan never ended Dragon Ball Z as being the strongest, with or without these two new movies. These new movies only establish that the difference between Kakarot and Son Gohan is way huge.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:42 pm

I want to see how insane Boo/Oob and Cell would be if they trained. They'd shatter records. DBZ Movie 16: The Rebirth of Cell and DBZ Movie 17: Boo's revival.
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:43 pm

Kakarot9001 wrote:
He's excited about Uub's potential. Freeza becoming as strong as he will by mere training is pretty much indication of how incredibly powerful Uub can become. The first step would be reawakening his latent power. Then, the sky's the limit.
That's okay I guess... But as Uub being Majin Boo reicarnation the peak of his power wouldn't be at Kid Boo power level? That's why I find that Goku shouldn't be so excited at all after meeting guys like Beerus and Whis
Not necessarily. It's entirely possible that that could just be the tip of the iceberg, given his young age. I mean, Gohan kept seeming to pull even more potential out of thin air whenever it was needed and also as he got older, so it's entirely possible the same could be true of Oob.
Kakarot9001 wrote:Ultimate Gohan couldn't make Goku's arm tremble? Also for that... I'm afraid that in this movie they will make Goku and Vegeta to be stronger than Gohan who was thought to be the strongest in Earth in EoZ
The previous movie already has made Goku stronger than Gohan. And as far as the end of the series goes, there wasn't anything there to suggest Gohan was still the strongest. He doesn't even fight regularly anymore. So even without Battle of Gods, the ten year gap is still plenty of time to assume Goku might have caught up or even surpassed him.
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Post by Dyno » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:44 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:I want to see how insane Boo/Oob and Cell would be if they trained. They'd shatter records. DBZ Movie 16: The Rebirth of Cell and DBZ Movie 17: Boo's revival.
I said something similar a while ago. Cell having Saiyans cells pretty much makes his training methods way better than Freeza's.

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Post by Kakarot9001 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:50 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:We don't know what Uub's cap is. If we assume he already has Kid Buu's power, but hasn't tapped into it yet, then his cap is whatever Kid Buu's would be if he ever trained. An untrained Kid Buu was already at SSJ3 level or greater. Food for thought.


That could be a good point...
Dyno wrote:By the end of the series, no. In peace days, Son Gohan never train (as stated by Akira himself, as well), so at one point (totally off-screen), Kakarot and Vegeta surpassed him. Like, Son Gohan never ended Dragon Ball Z as being the strongest, with or without these two new movies. These new movies only establish that the difference between Kakarot and Son Gohan is way huge.
But how? It is stated that Gohan after Elder Kai unlocked his hidden potential, that he was on the same par or even beyond SSJ3 Goku power level, I don't see how in EoZ, Goku and especially Vegeta to have surpassed him in their Super Saiyans forms or what else taking SSJG

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Post by Herms » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:52 pm

Cell did say one of his reasons for starting up the Cell Games was to further draw out the dormant power of his perfect form, or words to that effect. Obviously it wasn't very good training for him in the end...although I guess he did get that big "super perfect" power-up out of it at least.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:53 pm

JulieYBM wrote:Huh, Toriyama drew some concept art this time, I guess. I guess he drew them to give Yamamuro and the others an idea of what he was imagining.
Are you talking about the image of Whis training Goku and Vegeta? That's an uninked draft of Toyble's second chapter of the adaptation.
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