"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Captain Space]

Haven't they already had 3 proper destructive clashes though?

[FortuneSSJ]

Does anyone think they'll explain why his hair will be Yellow instead of Blue ?

They will probably explain in his training with Whis, but its easy. Goku still didn't mastered his god Ki, so I don't see how he could reach SSG already. Goku needs to have control of his god ki to power up his ssj form. And since he still can't do it, he reverts back to ssj.

[Herms]

Is it just me or didn't someone else translate that more like "Beerus ignores the risks of destroying the universe and clashes with Goku for a 3rd time."??

Don't know if someone did or not, but that's not an accurate translation. The basic sentence structure is "Beerus eliminated risk", with risk modified so that it's the "risk that the universe will be wiped out if the gods' power clashes for a third time". Nothing there about Beerus ignoring anything. It doesn't even say if the gods clash a third time or not, it just says Beerus eliminates the risk of universal destruction that would come from such a clash.

[dbgtFO]

Huh, well it sounds weird, so I guess I can look forward to how exactly Beerus manages that.

[Sandubadear]

The "unexpected change" may be Goku changing back to SSG spontaneously to destroy Beerus' attack like in the movie.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Lmao. Except that, in Dragon Ball Super, they /are/ paying attention to power levels, as seen in Episode 12. The movies are no longer canon.

Are you friends with Yamamuro? Because you seem to act like you know a heckuva lot of information that hasn't been confirmed anywhere by anyone. Hell, lemme give it a try: Toriyama hates mimes because Chaouzu blew up and was never really seen much. Total legitimate fact that I claim to be true but have no basis in which to prove it.

Super is even more ridiculous with power levels than the movies ever were, and it's only getting started. Also canon...where?...I've never heard anyone say anything was canon. The site has to bring up that fact like a billion times when canon threads keep popping up.

No. It's simply more accurate. Considering how strong Goku was at the end of the Buu saga, a "God" form only makes sense to be this strong.

Dragon Ball Super was announced as being the official continuation of the story. Ergo, it's canon.

[dbzfan7]

Lmao. Except that, in Dragon Ball Super, they /are/ paying attention to power levels, as seen in Episode 12. The movies are no longer canon.

Are you friends with Yamamuro? Because you seem to act like you know a heckuva lot of information that hasn't been confirmed anywhere by anyone. Hell, lemme give it a try: Toriyama hates mimes because Chaouzu blew up and was never really seen much. Total legitimate fact that I claim to be true but have no basis in which to prove it.

Super is even more ridiculous with power levels than the movies ever were, and it's only getting started. Also canon...where?...I've never heard anyone say anything was canon. The site has to bring up that fact like a billion times when canon threads keep popping up.

No. It's simply more accurate. Considering how strong Goku was at the end of the Buu saga, a "God" form only makes sense to be this strong.

Dragon Ball Super was announced as being the official continuation of the story. Ergo, it's canon.

Cool you have an opinion. I have one too. Isn't that a nice thing to have? Let's be respectful of that ok? We also have a thread for power levels too. For all the number crunching accurate or not debaty needs http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 25&t=30781

Ah the great canon debate.
http://www.VegettoEX.com/2011/12/21/the ... al-debate/

[Neon Z]

Haven't they already had 3 proper destructive clashes though?

Yes, and the episode ended with that white light covering everything even in the other world, suggesting that the universe would be destroyed. I guess it means Beerus does something to stop it in the beginning of the new episode, and that's why everything won't be destroyed by the third clash.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Cool you have an opinion. I have one too. Isn't that a nice thing to have? Let's be respectful of that ok? We also have a thread for power levels too. For all the number crunching accurate or not debaty needs http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 25&t=30781

Ah the great canon debate.
http://www.VegettoEX.com/2011/12/21/the ... al-debate/

Lol. The opinion cop-out card. Nice. Lemme try:
Dragon Ball Evolution is a 100% faithful adaptation. Every character is represented as they should be and it's a flawless film.

OH but that's my opinion, so you can't prove me wrong, despite the fact that you COULD prove me wrong given enough comparable evidence.

I'm not trying to be rude, really, I'm not. But I've encountered people who say the dumbest things about this franchise and yet no one can prove them wrong because they throw up the "opinion" card. Please know that despite it being an opinion, it can indeed be wrong. Hence why many people have and enjoy things they call "guilty pleasures". They /know/ it's bad and they /know/ it's wrong but they do it anyway because in their opinion, it's enjoyable.

[dbzfan7]

Cool you have an opinion. I have one too. Isn't that a nice thing to have? Let's be respectful of that ok? We also have a thread for power levels too. For all the number crunching accurate or not debaty needs http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 25&t=30781

Ah the great canon debate.
http://www.VegettoEX.com/2011/12/21/the ... al-debate/

Lol. The opinion cop-out card. Nice. Lemme try:

I'm not trying to be rude, really, I'm not.

Yeah sure you're not.

I ain't arguing because this isn't a power level thread. I ain't arguing because I don't care about the crazy finicky power levels they throw around without much care. I don't care about arguing one's definition of canon. It's been done to death.

[Pannaliciour]

Haven't they already had 3 proper destructive clashes though?

Yes, and the episode ended with that white light covering everything even in the other world, suggesting that the universe would be destroyed. I guess it means Beerus does something to stop it in the beginning of the new episode, and that's why everything won't be destroyed by the third clash.

If thats the case, that would be very funny, if you consider he is the god of DESTRUCTION.

[Zephyr]

Dragon Ball Super was announced as being the official continuation of the story. Ergo, it's canon.

The words "official" and "canon" are not equivalent.

Something that is official can be non-canon (I sincerely doubt someone would come out and say that Evolution is canon), and something that is unofficial could easily later be declared to be canon (if the official rights holders were so inclined, and the person who made the thing unofficially were in agreement, there's literally nothing stopping this).

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Cool you have an opinion. I have one too. Isn't that a nice thing to have? Let's be respectful of that ok? We also have a thread for power levels too. For all the number crunching accurate or not debaty needs http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 25&t=30781

Ah the great canon debate.
http://www.VegettoEX.com/2011/12/21/the ... al-debate/

Lol. The opinion cop-out card. Nice. Lemme try:

I'm not trying to be rude, really, I'm not.

Yeah sure you're not.

I ain't arguing because this isn't a power level thread. I ain't arguing because I don't care about the crazy finicky power levels they throw around without much care. I don't care about arguing one's definition of canon. It's been done to death.

Oh! So that's why /you/ commented talking about how clearly the writers of Dragon Ball Super don't regard power levels? And you just didn't expect a response? But because someone responded to your comment that you posted without any basis in which to prove anything you actually said, it's the person who /responded/ to your comment's fault. I see. Nice rationalization you've got going on there.

I sincerely doubt someone would come out and say that Evolution is canon

You'd be surprised. You'd honestly be surprised. I've had someone try to legitimately claim Dragon Ball Evolution was a faithful adaptation simply because Toriyama was tacked on as "producer" in the credits. The YouTube comment section is full of peoplle who love to claim things with little to nothing to base them off of.

[Zephyr]

I sincerely doubt someone would come out and say that Evolution is canon

You'd be surprised. You'd honestly be surprised. I've had someone try to legitimately claim Dragon Ball Evolution was a faithful adaptation simply because Toriyama was tacked on as "producer" in the credits. The YouTube comment section is full of peoplle who love to claim things with little to nothing to base them off of.

I mean in an official capacity. As in, the people actually legally qualified to declare something to be canon or not. Likewise, I doubt they would come out and declare these canon. I mean they could, but that's beside the point.

[dbzfan7]

Lol. The opinion cop-out card. Nice. Lemme try:

I'm not trying to be rude, really, I'm not.

Yeah sure you're not.

I ain't arguing because this isn't a power level thread. I ain't arguing because I don't care about the crazy finicky power levels they throw around without much care. I don't care about arguing one's definition of canon. It's been done to death.

Oh! So that's why /you/ commented talking about how clearly the writers of Dragon Ball Super don't regard power levels? And you just didn't expect a response? But because someone responded to your comment that you posted without any basis in which to prove anything you actually said, it's the person who /responded/ to your comment's fault. I see. Nice rationalization you've got going on there.

Yeah cause they don't care about power levels. Never have, never will. Not like some fans do.

I'm not bothering with an argument I didn't ask for, nor the condescending tone. The mods can deal with you and your disrupting of the thread. Power levels have another thread for that kind of discussion.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Oh! So that's why /you/ commented talking about how clearly the writers of Dragon Ball Super don't regard power levels? And you just didn't expect a response? But because someone responded to your comment that you posted without any basis in which to prove anything you actually said, it's the person who /responded/ to your comment's fault. I see. Nice rationalization you've got going on there.

Yeah cause they don't care about power levels. Never have, never will. Not like some fans do.

I'm not bothering with an argument I didn't ask for, nor the condescending tone. The mods can deal with you and your disrupting of the thread. Power levels have another thread for that kind of discussion.

Clearly, you do care. My goodness do you care. Had you just wanted the mods to deal with it, you would have. But no. You responded yet /again/. Hell, you had to respond JUST TO TELL ME that you weren't going to respond again, instead of just *gasp* not responding. You couldn't stand not having the last laugh. In fact, the fact that you responded /again/ shows that you care about this even more than I or anyone else on here does.

Also, "I didn't ask for this."
You commented an opinion on an open forum. This is 2015. People are going to respond. Get with the program.

Also, it was your comment about Power Levels that started this. Ergo, you started it. As children would say, "nyah, nyah."

[Araki]

I mean in an official capacity. As in, the people actually legally qualified to declare something to be canon or not. Likewise, I doubt they would come out and declare these canon. I mean they could, but that's beside the point.

The thing is, Toriyama came out and said GT was just a "side story". He said similar words about Evolution, even though he had zero involvement other than being the original author and had no reason for doing so. So he has a history.

He seems to be treating Super as a continuation of his manga, so until the man himself states otherwise, people are entirely free to take it as canon, and can't be blamed for doing that. I think the burden here is on people who want to disregard the canonicity, not the other way around.

When Tsukasa Hojo, the creator of City Hunter, released a related manga (Angel Heart), many people were pissed off that one of the main characters died. So the author had to make an announcement that it wasn't canon to City Hunter, since due to him being the writer, everyone was assuming it was. Same thing is bound to happen in DB or any other form of fiction where there's a sequel and the original author receives a writing credit.

[UltimateHammerBro]

Dragon Ball Super was announced as being the official continuation of the story. Ergo, it's canon.

The words "official" and "canon" are not equivalent.

Something that is official can be non-canon (I sincerely doubt someone would come out and say that Evolution is canon), and something that is unofficial could easily later be declared to be canon (if the official rights holders were so inclined, and the person who made the thing unofficially were in agreement, there's literally nothing stopping this).

Pretty much this. I once had to argue with a guy who insisted that both GT and Evolution were not official.

When Tsukasa Hojo, the creator of City Hunter, released a related manga (Angel Heart), many people were pissed off that one of the main characters died. So the author had to make an announcement that it wasn't canon to City Hunter, since due to him being the writer, everyone was assuming it was. Same thing is bound to happen in DB or any other form of fiction where there's a sequel and the original author receives a writing credit.

Very quick off-topic: I haven't read Angel Heart, but didn't it include some flashbacks which explicitly contradicted events in City Hunter, thus setting the series in an alternate universe?

That hasn't happened in Super yet. Heck, with some shoehorning, I bet Super and GT could still fit in the same timeline (not counting future developments in Super which may make this impossible).

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

That hasn't happened in Super yet. Heck, with some shoehorning, I bet Super and GT could still fit in the same timeline (not counting future developments in Super which may make this impossible).

Don't be that guy. Please.

[Captain Space]

That hasn't happened in Super yet. Heck, with some shoehorning, I bet Super and GT could still fit in the same timeline (not counting future developments in Super which may make this impossible).

Don't be that guy. Please.

They're not saying they want it to happen, they're just saying that if you really stretched and squashed it you could make it work with vaguely-reasonable explanations for everything (albeit ones there's no real evidence for, just not totally-out-of-the-blue ones).