Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[alakazam^]

I agree with you, in the earlier scans of the movie we got from certain magazines there was a scene where Birusu is clearly headbutting a SSJ Gohan against Buu. I always felt that scene with Gohan powering up was with a SSJ aura then the flash is him becoming SSJ too since the light orange look to his gi during the flash matches the color of his SSJ Gohan state. They should have just kept him as a SSJ to begin with and not even bother with the whole recoloring bit, not like it would have changed anything so what's the big deal again? So much for Watanabe saying "Gohan will be a SSJ in this movie," lol.

Watanabe said he wouldn't be a SSJ in the movie, actually.

Going storywise, it makes no sense he would ever fight as a SSJ because he doesn't need to. I'm not saying it would change anything, it wouldn't, but it's consistency. That said, I trust what Watanabe did say (being the script writer) over what some people think it's "obvious". Is it possible the animators goofed up? Maybe, but they wouldn't animate it that way unless it said in the script that Gohan was turning SSJ. It's totally possible they animated certain Gohan bits in a way where they could have him as a SSJ for promotional use and then easily recolor him as "Ultimate" for the actual movie, since his hair stays the same anyway. Going by that logic, that glow effect would just tell the audience he was tapping into his "Ultimate" power.

[worldmonsters]

Of course I haven't seen the movie, yet, but about the Vegeta at one point being stronger than Goku thing... Remember back when they were fighting Freeza. Freeza had just impaled Kuririn and threw him into the water and Gohan went into a fit of rage. I think it's like that. The freaking GOD of Destruction slaps Bulma (after just messing up Majin Buu and Ultimate Gohan), his wife and loved one (yeah at this time in the story I think that can be considered a loved one to Vegeta). He goes into a mad fit of rage and concentrates all his anger on Bills. For half a minute (or however long it was) he, in a fit of rage and all his power concentrated into one or a few attacks, becomes stronger than Goku Super Saiyan 3. Just for a short while. It's not like he's trained hard and surpassed Goku. Imagine if someone were to kill Chi-Chi, Goku would have the same reaction and for a second become more powerful than he had ever been.

Just like when someone tries to hit you, you have a rush of adrenaline which temporarily makes you stronger. It's like that :p

The whole thing with power levels and comparing two characters is that you can't compare them just by saying "his power level is higher than the other". You can't even say this character is stronger than the other. Well you can, but that's only strength. That doesn't mean the one can defeat the other. For example, when Trunks transformed to that highest form of Ultimate Super Saiyan he became stronger than Cell, but he couldn't beat him. Freeza was pummeled by Gohan when Gohan was 5 or 6 or something. Even though Kid Buu was stronger than Goku, Goku still beat him. Evil Buu also isn't a bad fighter either, he manages to absorb four characters and becomes stronger. However Vegetto outwitted him in the end. Also Goku couldn't beat Cell because of his regeneration. With Goku's Shunkan Ido he outwitted Cell and tore him in half. Goku would've won if it wasn't for that (okay, Cell could've been toying with Goku, but it didn't look like it to me :p). Maybe Ultimate Gohan WAS stronger than Super Saiyan 3, but there's no way of knowing for sure. When someone transforms it's not a matter of multiplying someone's strength. When you take drugs to become stronger it doesn't multiply everyone's power by 2 mathematically. Everything works more organic than that. Especially in story-telling like Dragon Ball. Also, if someone took drugs to become stronger, he could still be beaten by someone who knows karate or ninjutsu. And it's like that in Dragon Ball too

[Kaboom]

I'm still actually more interested in when Gohan got around to changing outfits. Has Bulma maybe tweaked the Saiyaman transformation watch to hold his orange gi, too?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I wouldn't call that a fact... he doesn't kill Boo when he had the chance because he wanted the boys to do it with fusion. That is not the action of a good hero.

I disagree. Goku was preparing Goten & Trunks as the new protectors of Earth. Imagine Goku killing Boo. Goten & Trunks would never learn Fusion (let's assume that Gohan was dead, since this was what Goku believed). Goku & Vegeta would stay dead forever, Gohan would be brought back to life as strong as he was when he "died", and Goten & Trunks would never learn Fusion. If a new threat were to appear suddenly, who would save the Earth again? Goku is dead this time, Gohan is only a Super Saiyan 2 (who can't use his real power), and Goten & Trunks are just Super Saiyans.

Goku wanted Goten & Trunks to surpass him, so that he can leave the Earth in better hands than his, since he believed he would stay dead permanently. I call that a hero's act.

Not exactly, that quote about him being the strongest in the history of Z is contradicted by the fact that Uisu is stronger than him thus nullifying the statement. Seems more like promotional hype than anything so far for the time being.

Not really. The fact that Uisu is revealed to be stronger than Bills is irrelevant. Bills is the strongest in the "History of Z", until we learn that Uisu is even stronger than that.

We won't know how strong Birusu really is without seeing the movie for ourselves.

We've already seen enough. You saw how Ultimate Gohan was beaten (not to mention Mr. Boo, Piccolo, #18, and Tenshinhan), we saw how SS Gotenks was beaten, and we saw how SS3 Goku was beaten.

[Avenged]

I got ahold of new screens: http://www.dblegends.com/2013/03/new-ba ... reenshots/

[samuraix123]

I got ahold of new screens: http://www.dblegends.com/2013/03/new-ba ... reenshots/

Awesome! I didn't know kibito kai was in this movie

[Chuquita]

I'm happy Toei remembered he fused. Dende looking young isn't that noticeable, but if it'd been Kaioshin instead that'd be hard to explain away.

[Kaboom]

I'm betting that's Vegeta getting his "rage boost" there.

[Hujio]

Just for those that like crediting sources, the additional screen shots are from a new Yahoo! "Dragon Ball Z Feature" event page for the film. A link to the event pages was posted on the official "Battle of Gods" website earlier this morning.

[mikey41]

I agree with you, in the earlier scans of the movie we got from certain magazines there was a scene where Birusu is clearly headbutting a SSJ Gohan against Buu. I always felt that scene with Gohan powering up was with a SSJ aura then the flash is him becoming SSJ too since the light orange look to his gi during the flash matches the color of his SSJ Gohan state. They should have just kept him as a SSJ to begin with and not even bother with the whole recoloring bit, not like it would have changed anything so what's the big deal again? So much for Watanabe saying "Gohan will be a SSJ in this movie," lol.

Watanabe said he wouldn't be a SSJ in the movie, actually.

Going storywise, it makes no sense he would ever fight as a SSJ because he doesn't need to. I'm not saying it would change anything, it wouldn't, but it's consistency. That said, I trust what Watanabe did say (being the script writer) over what some people think it's "obvious". Is it possible the animators goofed up? Maybe, but they wouldn't animate it that way unless it said in the script that Gohan was turning SSJ. It's totally possible they animated certain Gohan bits in a way where they could have him as a SSJ for promotional use and then easily recolor him as "Ultimate" for the actual movie, since his hair stays the same anyway. Going by that logic, that glow effect would just tell the audience he was tapping into his "Ultimate" power.

Well why was Gohan able to go Super Saiyan to give Goku his power then? His Ultimate form replace Super Saiyan so he shouldn't be able to transform.

[VegettoEX]

Well why was Gohan able to go Super Saiyan to give Goku his power then? His Ultimate form replace Super Saiyan so he shouldn't be able to transform.

Quite a few people in quite a few discussions have come to a very possible, very likely, but of course unanswerable conclusion that since nothing was ever stated saying Gohan absolutely 100% could NOT transform into a Super Saiyan ever again, there is nothing preventing him from doing so under special circumstances.

[samuraix123]

Okay I just wanna make sure I got this cleared up in my head This new movie, Videl is pregnant? and this is after the defeat of majin boo so that means in the movie ''Wrath of the Dragon'' Videl is pregnant!? because it's also after the defeat of Majin boo? correct o mundo? or will movie 13 have took place before this?

[Kaboom]

No, not quite. The 2008 Jump special took place two years after Majin Boo, and this takes place after it. How long after isn't officially stated, but if Videl's already pregnant with Pan, who's 4 at the end of the manga, which is 10 years after Boo... then Battle of Gods would seem take place about 5 years after Boo, smack dab in the middle of that 10-year time skip. Movie 13 is almost certainly even before the 2008 special, since Gohan and Videl are shown still in high school during it.

[samuraix123]

No, not quite. The 2008 Jump special took place two years after Majin Boo, and this takes place after it. How long after isn't officially stated, but if Videl's already pregnant with Pan, who's 4 at the end of the manga, which is 10 years after Boo... then Battle of Gods would seem take place about 5 years after Boo, smack dab in the middle of that 10-year time skip. Movie 13 is almost certainly even before the 2008 special, since Gohan and Videl are shown still in high school during it.

Haha thanks buddy! I was getting a little confused

[oXdanXo]

Well why was Gohan able to go Super Saiyan to give Goku his power then? His Ultimate form replace Super Saiyan so he shouldn't be able to transform.

Quite a few people in quite a few discussions have come to a very possible, very likely, but of course unanswerable conclusion that since nothing was ever stated saying Gohan absolutely 100% could NOT transform into a Super Saiyan ever again, there is nothing preventing him from doing so under special circumstances.

Was there anything to ever hint that he couldn'd tranform ever again once the Elder Kai unlocked his ability? That's something that's been bugging me for a long time.

[Sin]

Was there anything to ever hint that he couldn'd tranform ever again once the Elder Kai unlocked his ability? That's something that's been bugging me for a long time.

Nothing concrete, although people may have interpreted subtle things. For example I'm not sure on how accurate the translation is but in the Viz edition of the manga when Elder Kaioshin is suggesting that Goku fuse with Gohan post-potential-unlocking Goku says 'should we be Super Saiyan before we use it' implying that Gohan can still go SSJ. It's just little things like that really that people have been using to fuel the debate, personally I think that he would still have access to Super Saiyan.

[Hujio]

Was there anything to ever hint that he couldn'd tranform ever again once the Elder Kai unlocked his ability? That's something that's been bugging me for a long time.

If you want a more in-depth look at the topic, you may want to read the first part of this update and/or listen to Episode #0319 of the podcast.

[mikey41]

Well why was Gohan able to go Super Saiyan to give Goku his power then? His Ultimate form replace Super Saiyan so he shouldn't be able to transform.

Quite a few people in quite a few discussions have come to a very possible, very likely, but of course unanswerable conclusion that since nothing was ever stated saying Gohan absolutely 100% could NOT transform into a Super Saiyan ever again, there is nothing preventing him from doing so under special circumstances.

Was there anything to ever hint that he couldn'd tranform ever again once the Elder Kai unlocked his ability? That's something that's been bugging me for a long time.

In the FUNimation dub Gohan asks Elder Kai how to know if his ritual thing worked, and Elder Kai told him to transform into a Super Saiyan, and then he became Ultimate Gohan. But that was a dub so it's not to concrete.

[Gonstead]

Well why was Gohan able to go Super Saiyan to give Goku his power then? His Ultimate form replace Super Saiyan so he shouldn't be able to transform.

Quite a few people in quite a few discussions have come to a very possible, very likely, but of course unanswerable conclusion that since nothing was ever stated saying Gohan absolutely 100% could NOT transform into a Super Saiyan ever again, there is nothing preventing him from doing so under special circumstances.

Was there anything to ever hint that he couldn'd tranform ever again once the Elder Kai unlocked his ability? That's something that's been bugging me for a long time.

I don't have the translation on hand but I remember Elder Kai mentioning that "it would simply be a waste of Ki" when transforming into Super Saiyan.

[TheRed259]

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