Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[alakazam^]

Maybe the one making the wish is Whis, who has an ulterior motive (Makaioushin vibes). Maybe such motive would affect the other Universes.

The problem with having a plot that expands upon those Universes is that a single movie wouldn't be able to represent them all. And that it's supposed to be funny, not dark.

[Dbzk1999]

Maybe the one making the wish is Whis, who has an ulterior motive (Makaioushin vibes). Maybe such motive would affect the other Universes.

The problem with having a plot that expands upon those Universes is that a single movie wouldn't be able to represent them all. And that it's supposed to be funny, not dark.

DARK HUMOR
DARK HUMOR

[Low Tone G]

I don't know if Shenlon can resurrect the former God Destruction if he was scared of Beerus. So maybe Shenlon does not have power over Gods like Beerus or Whis. And there is not rule that Shenlon can only bring back good people from the death? I remember that only Porunga has the power to revive everybody. But who can be that is resurrected and his/her presence provokes despair? A magician or a hero just like Tapion was, who has a monster within his body?

[Fizzer]

Maybe the one making the wish is Whis, who has an ulterior motive (Makaioushin vibes). Maybe such motive would affect the other Universes.

The problem with having a plot that expands upon those Universes is that a single movie wouldn't be able to represent them all. And that it's supposed to be funny, not dark.

DARK HUMOR
DARK HUMOR

What's worse than finding a worm in your rice ball?
The destruction of Namek.

[Low Tone G]

What do you think, will Shenlon be enhanced to grant any wish, including to resurrect highly powerfull gods? Can Dende do such a thing, or Whis will take the dominance over Shenlon?

[shinmaru]

I still think the reviving is much more simple, like Birus getting revived from his slumber before the 3 years.
The balance is disturbed by this wish, and now all the 12 gods are awake( something like The GT ShadowDragons), despair begins.
The Movie is a beginning of a new series, I hope.

So you assume that there is a synchrony between the Gods of Destruction of each 12 universes when they are awake and when they sleep?

Only if the balance is disturbed by waking Birus up before the 3 years.

[KentalSSJ6]

Maybe the one making the wish is Whis, who has an ulterior motive (Makaioushin vibes). Maybe such motive would affect the other Universes.

The problem with having a plot that expands upon those Universes is that a single movie wouldn't be able to represent them all. And that it's supposed to be funny, not dark.

Whis can't be a Makaioshin. He's too strong. Makaioshin are stated to be even weaker than the Kaioshin and Kaioshin (the Eastern one who we with Kibito) is time and time again surprised, shocked, and even terrified of Goku and company's strength. If SSJ1 Goku is enough to make Kaioshin submit and Kaioshin are stronger than Makaioshin, how could a Makaioshin be strong enough to one shot Beerus, who is stronger than Super Vegetto?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Interesting that they chose the word revive instead of bring back to life/from the dead. So this being may not actually be dead. Revive could also mean to restore consciousness, and isn't Lord Beerus technically unconscious?

But of course AT could literally do anything and there might not be any hidden clues in the teaser, so who knows what's what.

[Hujio]

Interesting that they chose the word revive instead of bring back to life/from the dead. So this being may not actually be dead. Revive could also mean to restore consciousness, and isn't Lord Beerus technically unconscious?

We covered this a few pages back, but the Japanese phrase used in this case is ikikaeraseru (生き返らせる). That specific phrase literally means "to be restored to life", so whoever it is in reference to is someone that is actually dead. There is no real wiggle room for it possibly meaning to restore consciousness.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Interesting that they chose the word revive instead of bring back to life/from the dead. So this being may not actually be dead. Revive could also mean to restore consciousness, and isn't Lord Beerus technically unconscious?

We covered this a few pages back, but the Japanese phrase used in this case is ikikaeraseru (生き返らせる). That specific phrase literally means "to be restored to life", so whoever it is in reference to is someone that is actually dead. There is no real wiggle room for it possibly meaning to restore consciousness.

Ahh I so wanted Lord Beerus to be the villain again. Well there is a chance that Beerus can still make an appearance in the movie *fingers crossed*!

[UpFromTheSkies]

It should probably be translated as ressurect instead of revive.

[Hujio]

It should probably be translated as resurrect instead of revive.

Resurrect would be fukkatsu saseru (復活させる), which has the connotation of someone being reanimated, restored, or even reborn. In this case ikikaeraseru (生き返らせる) is used for someone that is clinically dead as a doorknob and is being revived. The Japanese language is often less ambiguous than what English can be. While in English the words "revive" and "resurrect" can be used somewhat interchangeably to mean the exact same thing, the same is not true in Japanese, and many other languages for that matter. If you look up ikikaeraseru in a dictionary, you'll see the first verb to appear is "to revive" (lit. "to restore to life").

[Blade]

The Japanese language is often less ambiguous than what English can be. While in English the words "revive" and "resurrect" can be used somewhat interchangeably to mean the exact same thing.

In the given instance it's black and white, but it's certainly not always the case! There's a lot of ambiguity and stuff that is lost in translation. Take a slang insult commonly used in Anime like 'Kono yarou' (このやろう), which can be translated into English as anything from a fairly tepid "You fool!' or "You blighter!" all the way to a rather more spicy such as 'You bastard!', or "You shit!".

Now, I'm not saying that there's any ambiguity as to whether it's an impolite term or not, but I dunno about you, but where I come from at least, there's a hell of a lot of difference between calling someone a 'fool' and a 'bastard'! To call someone foolhardy is very different from calling someone an illegitimate reprobate.

[UpFromTheSkies]

I don't know Japanese, but the English word resurrect when referring to a person means specifically to restore life, while revive is more ambiguous and can mean to restore life, health, energy, strength, or consciousness.

[Doctor.]

Hey guys, didn't Shenlong grant 3 wishes? One was granted in BoG, but what about the other two? Shouldn't Shenlong say he can grant 2 wishes?

[Blade]

Hey guys, didn't Shenlong grant 3 wishes? One was granted in BoG, but what about the other two? Shouldn't Shenlong say he can grant 2 wishes?

He doesn't have to grant all of the wishes in one go, and it's possible he abridged his regular spiel due to the presence of Beerus, which clearly made him a little nervous and may have thrown him off.

[kei17]

The Japanese language is often less ambiguous than what English can be. While in English the words "revive" and "resurrect" can be used somewhat interchangeably to mean the exact same thing.

In the given instance it's black and white, but it's certainly not always the case! There's a lot of ambiguity and stuff that is lost in translation. Take a slang insult commonly used in Anime like 'Kono yarou' (このやろう), which can be translated into English as anything from a fairly tepid "You fool!' or "You blighter!" all the way to a rather more spicy such as 'You bastard!', or "You shit!".

Now, I'm not saying that there's any ambiguity as to whether it's an impolite term or not, but I dunno about you, but where I come from at least, there's a hell of a lot of difference between calling someone a 'fool' and a 'bastard'! To call someone foolhardy is very different from calling someone an illegitimate reprobate.

As you say, it's not always the case, but when it comes to words derived from Chinese or coined based on the Chinese word formation system (kango), Japanese tends to be less ambiguous. It is because such words are strictly defined by each kanji which itself has a meaning. However, native Japanese words (yamato kotoba) are often very ambiguous.

Speaking of curses, standard Japanese doesn't have many swearwords because it is an artificially constructed language. Dialects have a lot of swearwords.

[goku the krump dancer]

If it isn't already, I think the little tidbit about "ikikaeraseru" should be posted on the main site just to avoid any further confusion or unnecessary guesses (if thats even possible).

[Fizzer]

Why are people talking as if the Kaioshin create planets? Didn't North Kaio say that the God of Creation is above the Kaioshin, and opposite to Beerus?

I still think that Whis might actually be the God of Creation. It makes sense that it would be stronger than Beerus, and not his enemy since they're both just maintaining order in the universe.

The Maine Coon one could be the biggest of the Hakaishin and the Calico can be the angriest. Because orange cats are dicks.

The Savannah is the biggest domestic cat breed

EDIT: actually, they're half serval and apparently don't count since the Maine Coon is actually listed as the largest breed on Wikipedia.

[Low Tone G]

Why are people talking as if the Kaioshin create planets? Didn't North Kaio say that the God of Creation is above the Kaioshin, and opposite to Beerus?

I still think that Whis might actually be the God of Creation. It makes sense that it would be stronger than Beerus, and not his enemy since they're both just maintaining order in the universe.

The Maine Coon one could be the biggest of the Hakaishin and the Calico can be the angriest. Because orange cats are dicks.

The Savannah is the biggest domestic cat breed

Kaio-sama said that the Kaioshin is the God of Creation, more exactly the East-Kaioshin is that God. As the other Kaioshins are dead 5 million years ago the East-Kaioshin had to take the leading position to create new planets and life-forms even if he was the youngest back then.