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Post by Jackalope89 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:09 am

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Jackalope89 wrote:No lie, I was on the verge of being triggered with TFS in that playthrough. And I've never been like that with their let's plays. You had the one guy go on a rant about GodTube (forgetting that it is actually a thing in Dragon Ball Super, apparently), the seemingly great reluctance to even get back into the game, etc. And complained about the game.

I normally don't say this, especially to TFS, but, "Git Gud, newbs". And that comes from someone that still can't pull off that stupid vanish step thing. And I'm not one of those hard core people of the game either.
1. Kirran doesn't regularly watch Super. He considers it inferior to Z & even GT & he's said he doesn't like Goku as a character. He's still stupid for thinking what he thought though.
2. Really? You DON'T see their points whatsoever? The terrible control scheme, the stupid difficulty spikes, some bad balances with the attacks, & whatever else? Xenoverse is a series that, so far, hasn't really been that great. It's serviceable, but the games, as a whole, aren't what they could or should be. I've played GOOD Action RPGs & Xenoverse isn't one of them.
Does it have issues? Sure. But, calling the control scheme "terrible" (I have played terrible schemes before, this is not one of them), difficulty "spikes", "stupid" when you as a character get stronger and normally, as a player, get better, and what not, is way overstating things. Making a mountain out of a molehill.

My problem is; if they don't like the game, don't play it. Simple as that.

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Post by MKCSTEALTH » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:51 am

The Xenoverse franchise is far from perfect, but the same could be said about any Dragonball game franchise. Each has their positives and negatives. And honestly, compared to the first game, it's no where near the RNG cesspool the first game was. And I LOVE the original Xenoverse.

At the end of the day, the Xenoverse franchise brought a lot of people back into the Dragonball gaming scene and did something fresh and new. Unlike the glorified rock-paper-scissors that was Ultimate Tenkaichi ( I even remember the con vids of that game where the devs flat out LIED to us about female CaCs and other forms. What a nightmare)

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Post by TobyS » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:05 am

Has super fucked up xv2s story?

Trunks kinda ambiguously refers to super trunks as himself, but he does that with gt trunks somewhat in xv1.
They have different colour hair, xv trunks is from further down the timeline yet never displays rage Trunks power or even SS2 on screen, otherwise he would have soloed Mira in XV1.....

Is it broken now?

I had a headcanon that he's actually the cell timeline trunks resurrected and given false memories by Kaioshins but I don't think they'd do deep shit like that...

Do you think they'll just carry on and ignore this? If they do address it how will it get fixed?
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Post by Grimlock » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:31 am

TobyS wrote:Trunks kinda ambiguously refers to super trunks as himself, but he does that with gt trunks somewhat in xv1.
They have different colour hair, xv trunks is from further down the timeline yet never displays rage Trunks power or even SS2 on screen, otherwise he would have soloed Mira in XV1.....
He flat out says that Dragon Ball Super Trunks is him. As for Dragon Ball GT Trunks, it's exactly what Kaioshin of Time said: "a different you is still you". Future Trunks is present Trunks (that's why it's a problem that present Trunks be smaller than future Trunks back in AGE 780), as well as future Trunks is GT Trunks... But not quite the same at the same time. Trunks later on in the mission explains why GT Trunks is not him and keeps calling him "my other me".

You might as well think that Dragon Ball Super also "fucked" Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Online, because future Trunks also had purple hair in both. And as for the transformations, yeah, he probably should display at least Super Saiyan 2 (he has it in Dragon Ball Heroes, by the way). But he probably won't use Super Saiyan Rage.

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Post by TobyS » Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:14 am

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TobyS wrote:Trunks kinda ambiguously refers to super trunks as himself, but he does that with gt trunks somewhat in xv1.
They have different colour hair, xv trunks is from further down the timeline yet never displays rage Trunks power or even SS2 on screen, otherwise he would have soloed Mira in XV1.....
He flat out says that Dragon Ball Super Trunks is him. As for Dragon Ball GT Trunks, it's exactly what Kaioshin of Time said: "a different you is still you". Future Trunks is present Trunks (that's why it's a problem that present Trunks be smaller than future Trunks back in AGE 780), as well as future Trunks is GT Trunks... But not quite the same at the same time. Trunks later on in the mission explains why GT Trunks is not him and keeps calling him "my other me".

You might as well think that Dragon Ball Super also "fucked" Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Online, because future Trunks also had purple hair in both. And as for the transformations, yeah, he probably should display at least Super Saiyan 2 (he has it in Dragon Ball Heroes, by the way). But he probably won't use Super Saiyan Rage.
Right but even w/o rage. He's way stronger in super than XV1 and that's years if training after. I'm not too fussed about hair colour, Bulma said he always had blue hair so that's just a retcon, but then it's back to purple again in xv2. It's still a weird inconsistency.

Online was always starting to crumble away as canon fates..., things happened at different dates and certain things don't make sense anymore (Freeza army coming back a third time when he was scraping the bottom of the barrel the second, Ten already having his school up and running and Kuririn not doing his yet, baby Goku being a different developmental stage and Bardock already being free and too powerful to control again
as of xv2 and before online etc etc....)

I'm not saying it was ever canon , I'm asking if y'all think this makes it impossible to be in terms of canon and stuff.
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TobyS wrote:Right but even w/o rage. He's way stronger in super than XV1 and that's years if training after. I'm not too fussed about hair colour, Bulma said he always had blue hair so that's just a retcon, but then it's back to purple again in xv2. It's still a weird inconsistency.
Dragon Ball Super tells us that Trunks is stronger than we thought/before the debut of the series indeed, but that doesn't necessarily means he was capable of defeating Mira (probably was in XV1, but certainly not in XV2 as Mira is way much stronger than before).
TobyS wrote:Online was always starting to crumble away as canon fates..., things happened at different dates and certain things don't make sense anymore (Freeza army coming back a third time when he was scraping the bottom of the barrel the second, Ten already having his school up and running and Kuririn not doing his yet, baby Goku being a different developmental stage
Dragon Ball has a lot of inconsistencies, doubt the Freeza army and baby Goku things would be enough to make the whole game non-canonical, when we have things like "one day in the present equals one day in the future" in the Dragon Ball Super manga and that simply goes against everything in regards to dates from AGE 764 onwards (affecting the dates in the future as well). Yet, people still/can consider the manga canonical.

As for the different dates, well, not only that school that appeared in Dragon Ball Super was filler, it doesn't even remotely appears to be same in Dragon Ball Online, like, what was described in the game is nowhere to be seen in the anime, you could say Toei only paid a homage to the concept, but not necessarily used it the way we know.
TobyS wrote:I'm not saying it was ever canon , I'm asking if y'all think this makes it impossible to be in terms of canon and stuff.
As Dragon Ball does not have an official canon established, Dragon Ball Online can pretty much be considered canonical for some reasons, and it certainly is in my book. Also, as Dragon Ball Online had the rights only to the manga stuff, as far as I can remember the colors they used in the game were the ones in the manga, like Raditz's accessories being white instead of red, blue Karin instead of white and etc. So if Trunks has purple hair there, that means he indeed had purple hair. So if you can acknowledge this as a retcon, you should also see baby Goku and Freeza army simply as a retcon either.

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Jackalope89 wrote:Does it have issues? Sure. But, calling the control scheme "terrible" (I have played terrible schemes before, this is not one of them), difficulty "spikes", "stupid" when you as a character get stronger and normally, as a player, get better, and what not, is way overstating things. Making a mountain out of a molehill.
My problem is; if they don't like the game, don't play it. Simple as that.
Except that Xenoverse has a lot of good things about it that the bad things take away from it. Like, I like the concept of the story, I like the RPG elements (which Dimps had included in Budokai 3 as well), I like the create-a-character stuff, & some other things about it. However, the controls you have to get used to (plus the fact that you can't remap buttons, which NEEDS to be in the game because Budokai had it &, if I could have a custom control scheme, I could get more into the game) that aren't too intuitive, the RNG of the first game, bullshit level design compounded by terrible bullshit ally A.I. (the Frieza ship level, anyone?), the level spikes (which IS a thing, by the way, don't just write it off, dude) even when you have leveled up, bullshit super armor on bosses & sometimes bullshit hard enemy A.I. (Beerus & Whis' training fight with Trunks being AWFUL to get through, especially since Trunks is next to worthless in that fight), the clothes system based on what gives you better stats versus letting you wear whatever you want (and not in an amusing way like South Park: The Stick of Truth) that wasn't resolved until the sequel, & some smaller things that aren't too important right now.
On top of ALL of those, there''s shit the game doesn't tell you, like that the different genders & races have WAY different stats, which make the male Saiyans the WEAKEST for some reason, how to allocate your stats effectively, & I'm sure other things that I haven't seen yet.
The games feel like they have these disparate elements of both action fighting games, which makes sense because it's Dimps, & RPGs, that were then put in a blender & mixed together randomly & unevenly. The best thing I can compare the games to are Kingdom Hearts II, a GREAT Action RPG. I don't give 2 shits about Xenoverse as the games stand right now, but KH2 is a game I had an absolute blast playing, even in the forced level grinding sessions I had & I played that on the highest difficulty available in the game. Xenoverse isn't a game I had a great time with & I love action adventure games. I'm sure that if you actually practiced at it, it could get better, but to the people that don't expect a game with as much bullshit that the Xenoverse series has, I'd say they'd get turned off by it & turn away for another game. You can't ignore the problems that game has, legitimate ones that could be solved with better game design.
TobyS wrote:Has super fucked up xv2s story?
Trunks kinda ambiguously refers to super trunks as himself, but he does that with gt trunks somewhat in xv1.
They have different colour hair, xv trunks is from further down the timeline yet never displays rage Trunks power or even SS2 on screen, otherwise he would have soloed Mira in XV1.....
Is it broken now?
I had a headcanon that he's actually the cell timeline trunks resurrected and given false memories by Kaioshins but I don't think they'd do deep shit like that...
Do you think they'll just carry on and ignore this? If they do address it how will it get fixed?
I'm going with the headcanon that XV Trunks is a time-displaced duplicate of the Future Trunks we saw in Z. GT is explicitly stated to be a split timeline, so it's not THAT Trunks, since he never time traveled, but Super's Trunks just continued on as he would've. Maybe that explains why Super Trunks' hair is still blue, instead of the usual purple other than a stupid decision by the animators to maintain nonexistent consistency with Bulma's hair color that existed in the manga, but NOT in the series. (Seriously, kid Trunks' hair is still purple in Super, so why would Future Trunks'?) That genuinely still angers me in how much it doesn't make any sense. But yeah, the Trunks we see in Super & XV2 could be the original, just with recolored hair from the Kais to tell them apart or something. Then again, doesn't that Trunks have dialogue at the end of the level saying that he'd wanna repay the debt of getting the help he got or something? I don't know.
One of those would explain why he's weaker than he is at the end of his Super Arc, but then again, it seems like they wanted to have him have that dialogue to link it to his joining the Time Patrol, so I don't know.
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Post by TobyS » Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:14 am

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TobyS wrote:Right but even w/o rage. He's way stronger in super than XV1 and that's years if training after. I'm not too fussed about hair colour, Bulma said he always had blue hair so that's just a retcon, but then it's back to purple again in xv2. It's still a weird inconsistency.
Dragon Ball Super tells us that Trunks is stronger than we thought/before the debut of the series indeed, but that doesn't necessarily means he was capable of defeating Mira (probably was in XV1, but certainly not in XV2 as Mira is way much stronger than before).
TobyS wrote:Online was always starting to crumble away as canon fates..., things happened at different dates and certain things don't make sense anymore (Freeza army coming back a third time when he was scraping the bottom of the barrel the second, Ten already having his school up and running and Kuririn not doing his yet, baby Goku being a different developmental stage
Dragon Ball has a lot of inconsistencies, doubt the Freeza army and baby Goku things would be enough to make the whole game non-canonical, when we have things like "one day in the present equals one day in the future" in the Dragon Ball Super manga and that simply goes against everything in regards to dates from AGE 764 onwards (affecting the dates in the future as well). Yet, people still/can consider the manga canonical.

As for the different dates, well, not only that school that appeared in Dragon Ball Super was filler, it doesn't even remotely appears to be same seen in Dragon Ball Online, like what was described in the game is nowhere to be seen in the anime, you could say Toei only paid a homage to the concept, but not necessarily used it the way we know.
TobyS wrote:I'm not saying it was ever canon , I'm asking if y'all think this makes it impossible to be in terms of canon and stuff.
As Dragon Ball does not have an official canon established, Dragon Ball Online can pretty much be considered canonical for some reasons, and it certainly is in my book. Also, as Dragon Ball Online had the rights only to the manga stuff, as far as I can remember the colors they used in the game were the ones in the manga, like Raditz's accessories being white instead of red, blue Karin instead of white and etc. So if Trunks has purple hair there, that means he indeed had purple hair. So if you can acknowledge this as a retcon, you should also see baby Goku and Freeza army simply as a retcon either.
Yeah I disagree somewhat the Future Trunks has blue hair is the more recent retcon by Toriyama. It's more recent word of god.

Whatever, I like what I've seen and heard of DBO so I'm not out to decanonize anything except acknowledge what already has been (e.g. baby goku blue haired future trunks) I'm down with whatever is leftover being canon.

I'm asking specifically about XV in relation to to super anime and or manga. Mira from XV capped out above SS3 Goku and Fat Buu (possibly combined) and is beaten by CaC1 who is shortly after about equal to super Buu.

Super Trunks was years before as strong as SS3 Goku in SS2, which he didn't seem to have in XV1. He then also has years to train on top of that even forgetting about Rage form. Yet he and a weaker CaC1 can't beat Mira even fighting together at that point during the Cell Games...

And new rin mind most people think Goku is near Red God in base in super and don't believe the 2 base theory so this makes Trunks even stronger...

The XV team were fucked by Super bringing him back at an earlier chronological point, changing his hair and power level.... I'm wondering if/how they could or would reconcile it....
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TobyS wrote:I'm asking specifically about XV in relation to to super anime and or manga. Mira from XV capped out above SS3 Goku and Fat Buu (possibly combined) and is beaten by CaC1 who is shortly after about equal to super Buu.
I will ignore the "CaC" part because we can't really analyze them, they'll be as strong as plot (and the player) demands them to be and to me they are just a broken thing in the middle of everything, so we should stick with the original characters for more consistency and logical thoughts.

That said, yes, we know that Mira could probably beat Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Majin Buu, but I remembered that "Super Saiyan 2 Trunks with the power-up turned on = Future Trunks saga Super Saiyan 3 Goku" and the "You're stronger than Gohan back then" that Goku says to Trunks are all manga lines only. Particularly, I don't follow Toyotaro's continuity so I can't speak for any of it. But taking into consideration at least that Future Trunks was stronger than Cell saga Gohan, we don't know the extent of his power, Trunks could probably be on par with someone from early Majin Buu saga as far as we can assume, and if it is the case, Mira would be stronger than Trunks. If you follow Toyotaro's continuity, then Time Patroller Trunks does not have Super Saiyan Rage, by the way.

In short, depending on which Trunks and conditions we are using here, XV1 Mira could still be stronger than him.
TobyS wrote:I'm wondering if/how they could or would reconcile it....
They can. As they did with Episode of Bardock/Dragon Ball Online.

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TobyS wrote:Yeah I disagree somewhat the Future Trunks has blue hair is the more recent retcon by Toriyama. It's more recent word of god.

Whatever, I like what I've seen and heard of DBO so I'm not out to decanonize anything except acknowledge what already has been (e.g. baby goku blue haired future trunks) I'm down with whatever is leftover being canon.

I'm asking specifically about XV in relation to to super anime and or manga. Mira from XV capped out above SS3 Goku and Fat Buu (possibly combined) and is beaten by CaC1 who is shortly after about equal to super Buu.

Super Trunks was years before as strong as SS3 Goku in SS2, which he didn't seem to have in XV1. He then also has years to train on top of that even forgetting about Rage form. Yet he and a weaker CaC1 can't beat Mira even fighting together at that point during the Cell Games...

And new rin mind most people think Goku is near Red God in base in super and don't believe the 2 base theory so this makes Trunks even stronger...

The XV team were fucked by Super bringing him back at an earlier chronological point, changing his hair and power level.... I'm wondering if/how they could or would reconcile it....
Actually, Trunks having blue hair IS the retcon. Why he has blue hair is that Bulma was supposed to have purple hair like him. If you look at the earlier colorings of some of the pages of the manga, Toriyama initially envisioned her with purple hair. The Full Color version of the manga even colors her hair as such & so does Path to Power. However, the anime staff at the time colored her hair a teal blue instead. Super initially was gonna color kid Trunks' hair blue as well to match Bulma's until they were told that that's not how he looked in the prior animated stuff. Why they recolored Future Trunks' hair, I have no idea. What makes the retcon even more glaring is that they recreate History of Trunks footage & they still colored his hair blue, even though that wasn't how it was in the original special. Plus, they use Kai footage for all other flashbacks &, even though the footage is in a slight black & white tint, you can still tell his hair was purple. It's inconsistent, it's stupid, & it makes ZERO sense in any context.
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Post by Dragotaker » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:02 pm

Online was always starting to crumble away as canon fates..., things happened at different dates and certain things don't make sense anymore (Freeza army coming back a third time when he was scraping the bottom of the barrel the second, Ten already having his school up and running and Kuririn not doing his yet, baby Goku being a different developmental stage and Bardock already being free and too powerful to control again
as of xv2 and before online etc etc....)
Wait a second here, you mention Baby Goku as Baby the GT villian fused with Goku???? is this right or is just Goku when he was an infant???

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Post by TobyS » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:08 pm

Grimlock wrote:
TobyS wrote:I'm asking specifically about XV in relation to to super anime and or manga. Mira from XV capped out above SS3 Goku and Fat Buu (possibly combined) and is beaten by CaC1 who is shortly after about equal to super Buu.
I will ignore the "CaC" part because we can't really analyze them, they'll be as strong as plot (and the player) demands them to be and to me they are just a broken thing in the middle of everything, so we should stick with the original characters for more consistency and logical thoughts.

That said, yes, we know that Mira could probably beat Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Majin Buu, but I remembered that "Super Saiyan 2 Trunks with the power-up turned on = Future Trunks saga Super Saiyan 3 Goku" and the "You're stronger than Gohan back then" that Goku says to Trunks are all manga lines only. Particularly, I don't follow Toyotaro's continuity so I can't speak for any of it. But taking into consideration at least that Future Trunks was stronger than Cell saga Gohan, we don't know the extent of his power, Trunks could probably be on par with someone from early Majin Buu saga as far as we can assume, and if it is the case, Mira would be stronger than Trunks. If you follow Toyotaro's continuity, then Time Patroller Trunks does not have Super Saiyan Rage, by the way.

In short, depending on which Trunks and conditions we are using here, XV1 Mira could still be stronger than him.
TobyS wrote:I'm wondering if/how they could or would reconcile it....
They can. As they did with Episode of Bardock/Dragon Ball Online.
If you use the anime it doesn't make sense whether you believe the 2 base theory or not.
If you use the manga and don't believe the 2 base it can't work.
If you use the manga and believe the 2 base theory it could have worked..... But....we know XV picked a side and included Rage Form and showed Sky-zamasu which shows they follow the anime's version more than the manga :(

CaCs aren't that impossible to scale if you ignore the non story mode city parts which contradict themselves and don't make sense anyway.

He does grow much stronger. But it's a plot point that they are doing that.

He need Trunks help to fight Mira (cell games) at first just to survive. Presumably after training between missions they then solo Mira (Buu arc) who is either the same or stronger depending on if Towa juiced him up more. After that he fights Super Buu and is stated to be about equal.

These are pretty clear power statements, unfortunately it creates a weird discrepancy because Anime Super Trunks is above this level already, if you don't believe the two base thing, and above it on Rage, if you do. That's not even accounting for at least 54 years of training (woah why isn't Trunks super old...(zamasu) Age 796-850 (xv1)
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Online was always starting to crumble away as canon fates..., things happened at different dates and certain things don't make sense anymore (Freeza army coming back a third time when he was scraping the bottom of the barrel the second, Ten already having his school up and running and Kuririn not doing his yet, baby Goku being a different developmental stage and Bardock already being free and too powerful to control again
as of xv2 and before online etc etc....)
Wait a second here, you mention Baby Goku as Baby the GT villian fused with Goku???? is this right or is just Goku when he was an infant???
No as in literal baby, he's a naked screaming baby in bardock tfog and DBO. But since then Toriyama has decided in DB- he was actually a toddler in battle armor. (Having been a in a incubator for some time) whether he's born and placed in there, an incubator baby, or just born then put in there to age him up I dont know...
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This is really off-topic, so I'll keep it brief, but Trunks' hair color has literally no relevance to the plot. Yes, Bulma mentioned "blue hair" as if he always had it, but what difference would it have made if he had purple hair in Super and Bulma said "purple hair" instead?

Hopefully I don't seem condescending, but the hair thing needs to die.
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TobyS wrote:If you use the anime it doesn't make sense whether you believe the 2 base theory or not.
If you use the manga and don't believe the 2 base it can't work.
If you use the manga and believe the 2 base theory it could have worked..... But....we know XV picked a side and included Rage Form and showed Sky-zamasu which shows they follow the anime's version more than the manga :(
I don't have a definite thought when it comes to Saiyan beyond God anymore, so that became pretty irrelevant to me.
TobyS wrote:He need Trunks help to fight Mira (cell games) at first just to survive. Presumably after training between missions they then solo Mira (Buu arc) who is either the same or stronger depending on if Towa juiced him up more. After that he fights Super Buu and is stated to be about equal.
I have seen that comparison before but not an actual image of it, it seems I'm missing something. Could you please provide that image that supposedly says that Mira is equal to Super Buu?
TobyS wrote:These are pretty clear power statements, unfortunately it creates a weird discrepancy because Anime Super Trunks is above this level already, if you don't believe the two base thing, and above it on Rage, if you do. That's not even accounting for at least 54 years of training (woah why isn't Trunks super old...(zamasu) Age 796-850 (xv1)
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Post by Scsigs » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:06 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:This is really off-topic, so I'll keep it brief, but Trunks' hair color has literally no relevance to the plot. Yes, Bulma mentioned "blue hair" as if he always had it, but what difference would it have made if he had purple hair in Super and Bulma said "purple hair" instead?

Hopefully I don't seem condescending, but the hair thing needs to die.
Inconsistency & it making 0 sense for his hair to have changed color. That's the reason.
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Re: "Dragon Ball XENOVERSE 2" Official Discussion Thread

Post by ShadowBardock89 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:13 pm

We're getting off-topic here.

I wonder if we will be able to equip transformations to our mentors/partners.
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Re: "Dragon Ball XENOVERSE 2" Official Discussion Thread

Post by Scsigs » Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:10 pm

ShadowBardock89 wrote:We're getting off-topic here.

I wonder if we will be able to equip transformations to our mentors/partners.
It kind of seems like that's what's promised, considering we can edit their skills & outfits, right?
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Re: "Dragon Ball XENOVERSE 2" Official Discussion Thread

Post by TobyS » Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:14 pm

Grimlock wrote:
TobyS wrote:He need Trunks help to fight Mira (cell games) at first just to survive. Presumably after training between missions they then solo Mira (Buu arc) who is either the same or stronger depending on if Towa juiced him up more. After that he fights Super Buu and is stated to be about equal.
I have seen that comparison before but not an actual image of it, it seems I'm missing something. Could you please provide that image that supposedly says that Mira is equal to Super Buu?
Mira beats CaC1 and SS1 Trunks, who's at least somewhat stronger than Cell Games Trunks.

CaC1 later beats Mira who was about to interfere with Buu/SSJ3 Goku, claiming he can beat both.

CaC1 later faces Super Buu. Goten states:
“That person is amazing, they're evenly matched with Buu!”

This chain of events gives us a ceiling on how strong Trunks was in Age 850, which contradicts how strong he was in Super. I can't think of a workaround.

I always liked the MCP definition of canon, something is not canon if:
1. “The creator says it isn't” (e.g. GT being a side story)
2. It “can't be”. (E.g. the movies)

Xenoverse avoided both of these and could be in our headcanons, but now that's looking tenuous.... It's nbd if you don't care about canon, but if you are an ocd nerd who wanted XV to be it doesn't make sense.
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Re: "Dragon Ball XENOVERSE 2" Official Discussion Thread

Post by TobyS » Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:15 pm

Scsigs wrote:
ShadowBardock89 wrote:We're getting off-topic here.

I wonder if we will be able to equip transformations to our mentors/partners.
It kind of seems like that's what's promised, considering we can edit their skills & outfits, right?
We can presumably equip them, but the NPCs not using them is a preexisting issue they would also need to fix....
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