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[Raki]

I happen to think Goku dying (I mean everyone has to die sometime) by saving the universe is a fitting ending and it suits his character...

Jump/Toei's money machine said otherwise.

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[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

I happen to think Goku dying (I mean everyone has to die sometime) by saving the universe is a fitting ending and it suits his character...

Jump/Toei's money machine said otherwise.

I would say otherwise as well.

Dragon Ball isn't about saving the world or self-sacrifice. Those elements, exist, but more prevalent is a sense of adventure, challenge, and various Shonen ideals, as I said before. The idea that we follow this adventurous little kid to his premature death...when we go over the first half of the story, doesn't work as a fitting ending.

[Victator Supreme]

The Buu aga added several things to the mythology of the series. rom Kaioshins to Fusion. The storytelling as incredible with all the false finishes. Even doing good bits of character work with Vegeta.

Ending it with Cell would have been a mistake. Vegeta's character arc was far from finished. As was Gohan's and even Krillian's.

Sometimes I think the anime should just stop so it doesn't become something like "The Simpsons" where it's way past its prime.

I watched the season premiere last night and laughed non stop. It still has a very large dedicated fanbase and still winning awards.

Where are all of the great defenders of the live action movie here?

2oth century Foxs abortion gets more slack than Toriyama himself, Disgraceful.

As for Table. He looks young for his age. Someone can say its not realistic. But you know he also

Has a tail.
Turns into a giant monke during a full moon.
Is married to a litle yellow alien he size of a porcelin doll.

I don't think him being a young looking 39 matters.

Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Radditz, Nappa, Bardock, and every other Saiyan we've seen also had tails and turned into giant monkeys during full moons. It didn't stop any of them from aging.

Sir you are missing the bigger point. In a world where things like that, a dog as King of Earth and Majin Bu. I don't get why a guy being a young looking 39 is so difficult to believe. Goku has never looked a day over 25. Vegeta barely looks 30. Why would this be a dealbreaker? In fact the onlyOld saiyans we ever see are King Vegeta and Nappa, and they barely look forty. So the point stands even stronger.

I happen to think Goku dying (I mean everyone has to die sometime) by saving the universe is a fitting ending and it suits his character...

Goku dying on a hllish exploding planet with hate in his heart is not a fitting end for him or the fantastic universe Toriyama created.

[JAPPO]

Right. Well, in my opinion, it is. It's much more than just dying on Namek. It's the message.

[Victator Supreme]

Right. Well, in my opinion, it is. It's much more than just dying on Namek. It's the message.

Well clearly in the opion of Toriyama it wasn't. The one common thread I alays see in people trying to rewrite Dragonball is its never as good as what Toriyama came up with.

[Chuquita]

If I had to pick someone official other than Mr. Toriyama to write a new Dragon Ball story, I'd pick Eiichiro Oda. The man's got major love and respect for DB and I really enjoy his writing style.


For unofficial, I'd go with Sholio, but she's been gone from DB for many years now.

[Dayspring]

The Buu aga added several things to the mythology of the series. rom Kaioshins to Fusion. The storytelling as incredible with all the false finishes. Even doing good bits of character work with Vegeta.

Ending it with Cell would have been a mistake. Vegeta's character arc was far from finished. As was Gohan's and even Krillian's.
I watched the season premiere last night and laughed non stop. It still has a very large dedicated fanbase and still winning awards.

Where are all of the great defenders of the live action movie here?

2oth century Foxs abortion gets more slack than Toriyama himself, Disgraceful.

As for Table. He looks young for his age. Someone can say its not realistic. But you know he also

Has a tail.
Turns into a giant monke during a full moon.
Is married to a litle yellow alien he size of a porcelin doll.

I don't think him being a young looking 39 matters.

Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Radditz, Nappa, Bardock, and every other Saiyan we've seen also had tails and turned into giant monkeys during full moons. It didn't stop any of them from aging.

Sir you are missing the bigger point. In a world where things like that, a dog as King of Earth and Majin Bu. I don't get why a guy being a young looking 39 is so difficult to believe. Goku has never looked a day over 25. Vegeta barely looks 30. Why would this be a dealbreaker? In fact the onlyOld saiyans we ever see are King Vegeta and Nappa, and they barely look forty. So the point stands even stronger.

I happen to think Goku dying (I mean everyone has to die sometime) by saving the universe is a fitting ending and it suits his character...

Goku dying on a hllish exploding planet with hate in his heart is not a fitting end for him or the fantastic universe Toriyama created.

YOU are missing the point. There are reasons explaining why they look so young, despite how they all change through aging. Tarble looks the same age as Goten and Trunks, ie: under 10. Yes, it's a world where X happens, but X isn't what's happening to Tarble is what we're all trying to tell you.

[Dayspring]

Right. Well, in my opinion, it is. It's much more than just dying on Namek. It's the message.

...That revenge is good and the sins of ancestors deserve to be punishable upon the descendents?! Seriously, if Goku died on Namek, there's nothing that supporst self-sacrifice. It's all hate, vengence, and pride. Goku first turning SSJ is when we see his character at his worst.

[Victator Supreme]

Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Radditz, Nappa, Bardock, and every other Saiyan we've seen also had tails and turned into giant monkeys during full moons. It didn't stop any of them from aging.

Sir you are missing the bigger point. In a world where things like that, a dog as King of Earth and Majin Bu. I don't get why a guy being a young looking 39 is so difficult to believe. Goku has never looked a day over 25. Vegeta barely looks 30. Why would this be a dealbreaker? In fact the onlyOld saiyans we ever see are King Vegeta and Nappa, and they barely look forty. So the point stands even stronger.

I happen to think Goku dying (I mean everyone has to die sometime) by saving the universe is a fitting ending and it suits his character...

Goku dying on a hllish exploding planet with hate in his heart is not a fitting end for him or the fantastic universe Toriyama created.

YOU are missing the point. There are reasons explaining why they look so young, despite how they all change through aging. Tarble looks the same age as Goten and Trunks, ie: under 10. Yes, it's a world where X happens, but X isn't what's happening to Tarble is what we're all trying to tell you.

He doesn't look under ten. He looks like a teen. The only explanation for the youth of other saiyans s their saiyan heritage.

To put it in laymans terms. Its a fucking cartoon with lots of dofferent weird farout shit. So a guy looking young for his age should not be such a hurdle. He just looks young for his age. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

He doesn't look under ten. He looks like a teen. The only explanation for the youth of other saiyans s their saiyan heritage.

To put it in laymans terms. Its a fucking cartoon with lots of dofferent weird farout shit. So a guy looking young for his age should not be such a hurdle. He just looks young for his age. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.

To put it in layman's terms, a fantasy/science fiction setting isn't an automatic excuse to have inconsistencies.

That's like saying it'd be okay if Goku's hair suddenly changed white, without explanation, and nobody around him noticed the change.

[SaiyaMel]

He doesn't look under ten. He looks like a teen. The only explanation for the youth of other saiyans s their saiyan heritage.

To put it in laymans terms. Its a fucking cartoon with lots of dofferent weird farout shit. So a guy looking young for his age should not be such a hurdle. He just looks young for his age. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.

To put it in layman's terms, a fantasy/science fiction setting isn't an automatic excuse to have inconsistencies.

That's like saying it'd be okay if Goku's hair suddenly changed white, without explanation, and nobody around him noticed the change.

Ditto.

Until proven otherwise - I'm going along with with the planet fountain-of-youth idea...

[SSJ Helldog]

I'm going with the "it's a movie and thus out of continuity"-theory and will simply enjoy it for what it is. I assumed long ago that Dragonball was completely over, so anything they can dish out is a bonus.

[Victator Supreme]

He doesn't look under ten. He looks like a teen. The only explanation for the youth of other saiyans s their saiyan heritage.

To put it in laymans terms. Its a fucking cartoon with lots of dofferent weird farout shit. So a guy looking young for his age should not be such a hurdle. He just looks young for his age. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.

To put it in layman's terms, a fantasy/science fiction setting isn't an automatic excuse to have inconsistencies.

That's like saying it'd be okay if Goku's hair suddenly changed white, without explanation, and nobody around him noticed the change.

You are working way too hard to miss the point. There is already a incontinuity explanation. Saiyans age much slower than other races. Table is a saiyan looks young for his age. Add that in with it being established as being a runt. Runts tend to look much younger than their age. How is this such a streach?

Personally I think people are being intentionally obtuse. Because they enjoy picking things apart. Nobody could miss the simple point I was making.

[SaiyaMel]

"obtue"?

Unless it's a cartoon on the level of for example Tom & Jerry or Bug Bunny... I'm gonna be picking things apart like this, and going with the most logical or realistic explanations..

That's just me - I'm a nit-picking, anal retentive bitch.

[Dayspring]

He doesn't look under ten. He looks like a teen. The only explanation for the youth of other saiyans s their saiyan heritage.

To put it in laymans terms. Its a fucking cartoon with lots of dofferent weird farout shit. So a guy looking young for his age should not be such a hurdle. He just looks young for his age. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.

To put it in layman's terms, a fantasy/science fiction setting isn't an automatic excuse to have inconsistencies.

That's like saying it'd be okay if Goku's hair suddenly changed white, without explanation, and nobody around him noticed the change.

You are working way too hard to miss the point. There is already a incontinuity explanation. Saiyans age much slower than other races. Table is a saiyan looks young for his age. Add that in with it being established as being a runt. Runts tend to look much younger than their age. How is this such a streach?

Personally I think people are being intentionally obtue. Bcause they enjoy picking things apart. Nobody could miss the simple point I was making.

Again, YOU are missing the point and being intentionally obtuse. We know Saiyans age more slowly, but the point is that Tarble didn't age at the same rate as Goku or Vegeta. We know Tarble is either the same age as Goku or older.

It was never established that he was a runt.

[Victator Supreme]

To put it in layman's terms, a fantasy/science fiction setting isn't an automatic excuse to have inconsistencies.

That's like saying it'd be okay if Goku's hair suddenly changed white, without explanation, and nobody around him noticed the change.

You are working way too hard to miss the point. There is already a incontinuity explanation. Saiyans age much slower than other races. Table is a saiyan looks young for his age. Add that in with it being established as being a runt. Runts tend to look much younger than their age. How is this such a streach?

Personally I think people are being intentionally obtue. Bcause they enjoy picking things apart. Nobody could miss the simple point I was making.

Again, YOU are missing the point and being intentionally obtuse. We know Saiyans age more slowly, but the point is that Tarble didn't age at the same rate as Goku or Vegeta. We know Tarble is either the same age as Goku or older.

It was never established that he was a runt.

Its established that he is very weak and much smaller than Vegeta. How else do you define a runt?

Now once more before I break out the hand puppets.

In real life their are people who look very young for their age. Why is it so difficult to believe that a saiyan could look young for his age? Saiyans age much slower. So a saiyan who looks young for his age would look even younger.

[saiyanprincess]

Surely someone could've sneaked in a camera and shot some of the video... Youtube is our only hope for now.

Someone has just got to pull through for us!
We should send Herms in to see it with cameras taped everywhere! perhaps get some glasses with a camera or a baseball cap hehe!

Either that or we could pay some japanese hobo to distract the security whilst we all rumble inside...

Any other suggestions? I am just REALLY impatient.... I hate knowing people have what I want Grrrr.

[Herms]

Also, is it specified that Grey is Tarble's wife and not betrothed?

Every summary I've read says she's his wife.

I'm just a little confused on how Table could exist at all since Vegeta states many times that the only Saiyans are himself, Trunks, Goten, Gohan, and Goku.

That was never anything more than an assumption, though, wasn't it? I mean, you figure if a planet explodes there won't be any survivors, and yet the presence of full-blooded Saiyans such as Goku and Vegeta show that there are plenty of ways that other Saiyans could have survived Planet Vegeta's explosion.

In the manga, Vegeta says when Trunks first appears that Trunks can't possibly be a Saiyan, since there are no Saiyans besides them (i.e. him, Goku, and Gohan). However, in the special it seems that Vegeta already knew all about how Table was sent to a distant planet and therefore wouldn't have died in Planet Vegeta's destruction.

Akira could have easily made a better ending with Cell.

Maybe, but he was still in cyrogenic storage under Neo-Tokyo's Olympic dome at the time, so he couldn't help out.

[Captain-Sora]

Also, is it specified that Grey is Tarble's wife and not betrothed?

Every summary I've read says she's his wife.

I'm just a little confused on how Table could exist at all since Vegeta states many times that the only Saiyans are himself, Trunks, Goten, Gohan, and Goku.

That was never anything more than an assumption, though, wasn't it? I mean, you figure if a planet explodes there won't be any survivors, and yet the presence of full-blooded Saiyans such as Goku and Vegeta show that there are plenty of ways that other Saiyans could have survived Planet Vegeta's explosion.

In the manga, Vegeta says when Trunks first appears that Trunks can't possibly be a Saiyan, since there are no Saiyans besides them (i.e. him, Goku, and Gohan). However, in the special it seems that Vegeta already knew all about how Table was sent to a distant planet and therefore wouldn't have died in Planet Vegeta's destruction.

Akira could have easily made a better ending with Cell.

Maybe, but he was still in cyrogenic storage under Neo-Tokyo's Olympic dome at the time, so he couldn't help out.

Pfft, Tetsuo > Akira. Just get that cape wearing, mechanical armed teenager to do the job.

[saiyanprincess]

Also, is it specified that Grey is Tarble's wife and not betrothed?

Every summary I've read says she's his wife.

That was never anything more than an assumption, though, wasn't it? I mean, you figure if a planet explodes there won't be any survivors, and yet the presence of full-blooded Saiyans such as Goku and Vegeta show that there are plenty of ways that other Saiyans could have survived Planet Vegeta's explosion.

In the manga, Vegeta says when Trunks first appears that Trunks can't possibly be a Saiyan, since there are no Saiyans besides them (i.e. him, Goku, and Gohan). However, in the special it seems that Vegeta already knew all about how Table was sent to a distant planet and therefore wouldn't have died in Planet Vegeta's destruction.

Vegeta is very proud of himself and his heritage, and he loves nothing more than proving this to everybody and everything. If Table really is a low level fighter with poor strength it would make sense that he would not be proud of this. After all if they have the same blood and share the same parents it would mean that the great Vegetaseii bloodline is tainted with some weakling blood.

Either that or perhaps Vegeta has disowned Table as being related to him, he does have the inability to show much affection and emotions, and perhaps the strain of him having a brother proved a weakness. (Getting in the way of his training and avenging Freeza.) If Freeza knew of Table surviving he would have probably killed him, so if not perhaps the Prince was protecting his younger sibling by staying quiet?

All this talk makes me need this special even more... It's breaking me.