The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kakashi » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:18 am

Kid Buu wrote:Majin Vegeta Vs. Fat Buu after he expelling the Grey Buu.
Good Boo is stronger but not by much so Vegeta can win if he uses an amplified Final Flash

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:33 am

Kid Buu wrote:Majin Vegeta Vs. Fat Buu after he expelling the Grey Buu.
You mean Good Buu? He smashes Vegeta with no less ease than Fat Buu did. I believe the Good Buu here is weaker than the Mr. Buu that fought Pure Buu, but not by all that much.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kid Buu » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:43 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:Majin Vegeta Vs. Fat Buu after he expelling the Grey Buu.
You mean Good Buu? He smashes Vegeta with no less ease than Fat Buu did. I believe the Good Buu here is weaker than the Mr. Buu that fought Pure Buu, but not by all that much.
So basically

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:48 am

Nah, more like:

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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kakashi » Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:53 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:Majin Vegeta Vs. Fat Buu after he expelling the Grey Buu.
You mean Good Buu? He smashes Vegeta with no less ease than Fat Buu did. I believe the Good Buu here is weaker than the Mr. Buu that fought Pure Buu, but not by all that much.
Why? That was never implied

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:04 am

Pure Buu and Pure Evil Buu aren't the same being. Logically, Mr. Buu and Good Buu shouldn't be the same either.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:21 pm

No he is not and why any comment of you makes me think you can't think logically? I meant "most" Pure Evil Boo is weaker than Fat Boo who is weaker than Pure Boo. Pure Boo was toying with Good Boo
So because we don't share the same opinion I can't think logically? That seems fair :roll: .
Kid Buu wrote:Majin Vegeta Vs. Fat Buu after he expelling the Grey Buu.

Good Boo fins this. I don't think he got that much weaker. So the battle would be the same. Except Vegeta will cry cause that's one more good guy that's stronger than him. Which makes the gap between Goku and himself bigger

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kakashi » Tue Dec 31, 2013 4:58 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Pure Buu and Pure Evil Buu aren't the same being. Logically, Mr. Buu and Good Buu shouldn't be the same either.
Good Boo is Good Boo. I don't know what you are talking about

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kakashi » Tue Dec 31, 2013 4:59 pm

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No he is not and why any comment of you makes me think you can't think logically? I meant "most" Pure Evil Boo is weaker than Fat Boo who is weaker than Pure Boo. Pure Boo was toying with Good Boo
So because we don't share the same opinion I can't think logically? That seems fair :roll: .
Kid Buu wrote:Majin Vegeta Vs. Fat Buu after he expelling the Grey Buu.

Good Boo fins this. I don't think he got that much weaker. So the battle would be the same. Except Vegeta will cry cause that's one more good guy that's stronger than him. Which makes the gap between Goku and himself bigger
Your understanding skills seem to be low when it comes to me

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:54 pm

I also believe that Mr. Boo (the one Pure Boo expelled) is stronger than Good Boo (the one that expelled Pure Evil Boo). Pure Evil Boo had Kaioshin influence in him, but after he absorbed Good Boo (and turned into Evil Boo), the Kaioshin influence from Pure Evil Boo was transfered to Good Boo, making him stronger, which is why Evil Boo reverted to S. Kaioshin Boo & then immediately into Pure Boo.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:19 pm

Your understanding skills seem to be low when it comes to me
So...since we don't share the same opinion I lack understanding skills? :roll:

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:07 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I also believe that Mr. Boo (the one Pure Boo expelled) is stronger than Good Boo (the one that expelled Pure Evil Boo). Pure Evil Boo had Kaioshin influence in him, but after he absorbed Good Boo (and turned into Evil Boo), the Kaioshin influence from Pure Evil Boo was transfered to Good Boo, making him stronger, which is why Evil Boo reverted to S. Kaioshin Boo & then immediately into Pure Boo.
None of what you said makes any sense.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:34 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I also believe that Mr. Boo (the one Pure Boo expelled) is stronger than Good Boo (the one that expelled Pure Evil Boo). Pure Evil Boo had Kaioshin influence in him, but after he absorbed Good Boo (and turned into Evil Boo), the Kaioshin influence from Pure Evil Boo was transfered to Good Boo, making him stronger, which is why Evil Boo reverted to S. Kaioshin Boo & then immediately into Pure Boo.
None of what you said makes any sense.
Then you didn't understand what I said.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by rereboy » Wed Jan 01, 2014 6:32 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I also believe that Mr. Boo (the one Pure Boo expelled) is stronger than Good Boo (the one that expelled Pure Evil Boo). Pure Evil Boo had Kaioshin influence in him, but after he absorbed Good Boo (and turned into Evil Boo), the Kaioshin influence from Pure Evil Boo was transfered to Good Boo, making him stronger, which is why Evil Boo reverted to S. Kaioshin Boo & then immediately into Pure Boo.
I understood what you meant. But like it has been said, doesn't make any sense. Good Buu never changed and there's not any reason to believe he changed.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Jan 01, 2014 6:36 pm

It makes perfect sense. Also, there is a very simple and obvious reason to think he changed: Evil Buu changed. It actually wouldn't make any sense if Good Buu DIDN'T change. Clearly something had to be different for his removal to result in Pure Buu instead of Pure Evil Buu again. It's the simple question that has plagued fans for years:

Evil + Good = Super

Super - Good =/= Evil
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Jan 01, 2014 6:49 pm

Just wanna get a quick confirmation on this.

Super Buu > SSJ3 Goku right?
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Post by rereboy » Wed Jan 01, 2014 6:51 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:It makes perfect sense. Also, there is a very simple and obvious reason to think he changed: Evil Buu changed. It actually wouldn't make any sense if Good Buu DIDN'T change. Clearly something had to be different for his removal to result in Pure Buu instead of Pure Evil Buu again. It's the simple question that has plagued fans for years:

Evil + Good = Super

Super - Good =/= Evil
I explain that by saying that Good Buu and Gray Buu are like Kami and Piccolo Daimao and that they even probably shared a spiritual connection, basically being the same person. However, when Gray absorbed Good, that connection broke, because they became one again, just with the evil side on top. But, when Good Buu is forcibly removed from Super Buu again, the remaining Buu can't revert back to Gray Buu, because Gray Buu exists as a counter part of Good Buu and to revert back, their spiritual connection would have to be reforged... So, Buu undergoes a sort of "reset" mode where he reverts gradually back to his most basic origin and form.

So, the only thing that "changed" in regards to Good Buu was the fact that he no longer has any connection with any other Buu. Nothing else changed. He got absorbed. He got freed. Always the same Buu.

To me this makes a lot more sense than Good Buu somehow changing.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Jan 01, 2014 6:54 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Just wanna get a quick confirmation on this.

Super Buu > SSJ3 Goku right?
Does that even need to be confirmed? Super Boo of course. Unless sonmeone is going by the anime.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Jan 01, 2014 6:56 pm

rereboy wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:It makes perfect sense. Also, there is a very simple and obvious reason to think he changed: Evil Buu changed. It actually wouldn't make any sense if Good Buu DIDN'T change. Clearly something had to be different for his removal to result in Pure Buu instead of Pure Evil Buu again. It's the simple question that has plagued fans for years:

Evil + Good = Super

Super - Good =/= Evil
I explain that by saying that Good Buu and Gray Buu are like Kami and Piccolo Daimao and that they even probably shared a spiritual connection, basically being the same person. However, when Gray absorbed Good, that connection broke, because they became one again, just with the evil side on top. But, when Good Buu is forcibly removed from Super Buu again, the remaining Buu can't revert back to Gray Buu, because Gray Buu exists as a counter part of Good Buu and to revert back, their spiritual connection would have to be reforged... So, Buu undergoes a sort of "reset" mode where he reverts gradually back to his most basic origin and form.

So, the only thing that "changed" in regards to Good Buu was the fact that he no longer has any connection with any other Buu. Nothing else changed. He got absorbed. He got freed. Always the same Buu.

To me this makes a lot more sense than Good Buu somehow changing.
That's simply what you think. I think that makes significantly less sense than these just being different Buus, considering their respective feats and the origin of Mr. Buu. It just seems so much simpler; one Buu is significantly different, so something must have changed with the other Buu as well for this to be the case. Your theory relies on a whole lot of stuff that was never stated or even lightly implied, and therefore doesn't objectively make more or less sense than any other. Going purely by what we saw, Gray Buu absorbs Good Buu and turns into Super Buu, then Super Buu loses Mr. Buu and turns into Pure Buu.
Just wanna get a quick confirmation on this.

Super Buu > SSJ3 Goku right?
Yes, that is stated over a dozen times.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by rereboy » Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:01 pm

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That's simply what you think. I think that makes significantly less sense than these just being different Buus, considering their respective feats and the origin of Mr. Buu. Your theory relies on a whole lot of stuff that was never stated or even lightly implied, and therefore doesn't objectively make more or less sense than any other.
Of course its what I think, no need to say that like I'm telling you I'm Toriyama or whatever.

However, my opinion is based on examples that we see on the series and the similarities between the situation with Kami and Piccolo Daimao (Kami expelling his evil side) and Good Buu and Gray Buu (Buu expelling his evil side).

There being two Good Buus just kind of falls out of the sky and a fan would never think about that unless to somehow explain there being a Kid Buu. What I stated also explains there being a Kid Buu, but it follows naturally from the similarities between the two examples I mentioned and answers questions regarding them that would exist even if Good Buu had never been freed.
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