Good Boo is stronger but not by much so Vegeta can win if he uses an amplified Final FlashKid Buu wrote:Majin Vegeta Vs. Fat Buu after he expelling the Grey Buu.
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You mean Good Buu? He smashes Vegeta with no less ease than Fat Buu did. I believe the Good Buu here is weaker than the Mr. Buu that fought Pure Buu, but not by all that much.Kid Buu wrote:Majin Vegeta Vs. Fat Buu after he expelling the Grey Buu.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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So basicallyRandomGuy96 wrote:You mean Good Buu? He smashes Vegeta with no less ease than Fat Buu did. I believe the Good Buu here is weaker than the Mr. Buu that fought Pure Buu, but not by all that much.Kid Buu wrote:Majin Vegeta Vs. Fat Buu after he expelling the Grey Buu.
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Nah, more like:


The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Why? That was never impliedRandomGuy96 wrote:You mean Good Buu? He smashes Vegeta with no less ease than Fat Buu did. I believe the Good Buu here is weaker than the Mr. Buu that fought Pure Buu, but not by all that much.Kid Buu wrote:Majin Vegeta Vs. Fat Buu after he expelling the Grey Buu.
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Pure Buu and Pure Evil Buu aren't the same being. Logically, Mr. Buu and Good Buu shouldn't be the same either.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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So because we don't share the same opinion I can't think logically? That seems fairNo he is not and why any comment of you makes me think you can't think logically? I meant "most" Pure Evil Boo is weaker than Fat Boo who is weaker than Pure Boo. Pure Boo was toying with Good Boo
Kid Buu wrote:Majin Vegeta Vs. Fat Buu after he expelling the Grey Buu.
Good Boo fins this. I don't think he got that much weaker. So the battle would be the same. Except Vegeta will cry cause that's one more good guy that's stronger than him. Which makes the gap between Goku and himself bigger
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Good Boo is Good Boo. I don't know what you are talking aboutRandomGuy96 wrote:Pure Buu and Pure Evil Buu aren't the same being. Logically, Mr. Buu and Good Buu shouldn't be the same either.
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Your understanding skills seem to be low when it comes to meTheGmGoken wrote:So because we don't share the same opinion I can't think logically? That seems fairNo he is not and why any comment of you makes me think you can't think logically? I meant "most" Pure Evil Boo is weaker than Fat Boo who is weaker than Pure Boo. Pure Boo was toying with Good Boo.
Kid Buu wrote:Majin Vegeta Vs. Fat Buu after he expelling the Grey Buu.
Good Boo fins this. I don't think he got that much weaker. So the battle would be the same. Except Vegeta will cry cause that's one more good guy that's stronger than him. Which makes the gap between Goku and himself bigger
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I also believe that Mr. Boo (the one Pure Boo expelled) is stronger than Good Boo (the one that expelled Pure Evil Boo). Pure Evil Boo had Kaioshin influence in him, but after he absorbed Good Boo (and turned into Evil Boo), the Kaioshin influence from Pure Evil Boo was transfered to Good Boo, making him stronger, which is why Evil Boo reverted to S. Kaioshin Boo & then immediately into Pure Boo.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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So...since we don't share the same opinion I lack understanding skills?Your understanding skills seem to be low when it comes to me
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None of what you said makes any sense.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I also believe that Mr. Boo (the one Pure Boo expelled) is stronger than Good Boo (the one that expelled Pure Evil Boo). Pure Evil Boo had Kaioshin influence in him, but after he absorbed Good Boo (and turned into Evil Boo), the Kaioshin influence from Pure Evil Boo was transfered to Good Boo, making him stronger, which is why Evil Boo reverted to S. Kaioshin Boo & then immediately into Pure Boo.
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Then you didn't understand what I said.DBZAOTA482 wrote:None of what you said makes any sense.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I also believe that Mr. Boo (the one Pure Boo expelled) is stronger than Good Boo (the one that expelled Pure Evil Boo). Pure Evil Boo had Kaioshin influence in him, but after he absorbed Good Boo (and turned into Evil Boo), the Kaioshin influence from Pure Evil Boo was transfered to Good Boo, making him stronger, which is why Evil Boo reverted to S. Kaioshin Boo & then immediately into Pure Boo.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
I understood what you meant. But like it has been said, doesn't make any sense. Good Buu never changed and there's not any reason to believe he changed.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I also believe that Mr. Boo (the one Pure Boo expelled) is stronger than Good Boo (the one that expelled Pure Evil Boo). Pure Evil Boo had Kaioshin influence in him, but after he absorbed Good Boo (and turned into Evil Boo), the Kaioshin influence from Pure Evil Boo was transfered to Good Boo, making him stronger, which is why Evil Boo reverted to S. Kaioshin Boo & then immediately into Pure Boo.
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It makes perfect sense. Also, there is a very simple and obvious reason to think he changed: Evil Buu changed. It actually wouldn't make any sense if Good Buu DIDN'T change. Clearly something had to be different for his removal to result in Pure Buu instead of Pure Evil Buu again. It's the simple question that has plagued fans for years:
Evil + Good = Super
Super - Good =/= Evil
Evil + Good = Super
Super - Good =/= Evil
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Just wanna get a quick confirmation on this.
Super Buu > SSJ3 Goku right?
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I explain that by saying that Good Buu and Gray Buu are like Kami and Piccolo Daimao and that they even probably shared a spiritual connection, basically being the same person. However, when Gray absorbed Good, that connection broke, because they became one again, just with the evil side on top. But, when Good Buu is forcibly removed from Super Buu again, the remaining Buu can't revert back to Gray Buu, because Gray Buu exists as a counter part of Good Buu and to revert back, their spiritual connection would have to be reforged... So, Buu undergoes a sort of "reset" mode where he reverts gradually back to his most basic origin and form.RandomGuy96 wrote:It makes perfect sense. Also, there is a very simple and obvious reason to think he changed: Evil Buu changed. It actually wouldn't make any sense if Good Buu DIDN'T change. Clearly something had to be different for his removal to result in Pure Buu instead of Pure Evil Buu again. It's the simple question that has plagued fans for years:
Evil + Good = Super
Super - Good =/= Evil
So, the only thing that "changed" in regards to Good Buu was the fact that he no longer has any connection with any other Buu. Nothing else changed. He got absorbed. He got freed. Always the same Buu.
To me this makes a lot more sense than Good Buu somehow changing.
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Does that even need to be confirmed? Super Boo of course. Unless sonmeone is going by the anime.KentalSSJ6 wrote:Just wanna get a quick confirmation on this.
Super Buu > SSJ3 Goku right?
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That's simply what you think. I think that makes significantly less sense than these just being different Buus, considering their respective feats and the origin of Mr. Buu. It just seems so much simpler; one Buu is significantly different, so something must have changed with the other Buu as well for this to be the case. Your theory relies on a whole lot of stuff that was never stated or even lightly implied, and therefore doesn't objectively make more or less sense than any other. Going purely by what we saw, Gray Buu absorbs Good Buu and turns into Super Buu, then Super Buu loses Mr. Buu and turns into Pure Buu.rereboy wrote:I explain that by saying that Good Buu and Gray Buu are like Kami and Piccolo Daimao and that they even probably shared a spiritual connection, basically being the same person. However, when Gray absorbed Good, that connection broke, because they became one again, just with the evil side on top. But, when Good Buu is forcibly removed from Super Buu again, the remaining Buu can't revert back to Gray Buu, because Gray Buu exists as a counter part of Good Buu and to revert back, their spiritual connection would have to be reforged... So, Buu undergoes a sort of "reset" mode where he reverts gradually back to his most basic origin and form.RandomGuy96 wrote:It makes perfect sense. Also, there is a very simple and obvious reason to think he changed: Evil Buu changed. It actually wouldn't make any sense if Good Buu DIDN'T change. Clearly something had to be different for his removal to result in Pure Buu instead of Pure Evil Buu again. It's the simple question that has plagued fans for years:
Evil + Good = Super
Super - Good =/= Evil
So, the only thing that "changed" in regards to Good Buu was the fact that he no longer has any connection with any other Buu. Nothing else changed. He got absorbed. He got freed. Always the same Buu.
To me this makes a lot more sense than Good Buu somehow changing.
Yes, that is stated over a dozen times.Just wanna get a quick confirmation on this.
Super Buu > SSJ3 Goku right?
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Of course its what I think, no need to say that like I'm telling you I'm Toriyama or whatever.RandomGuy96 wrote:
That's simply what you think. I think that makes significantly less sense than these just being different Buus, considering their respective feats and the origin of Mr. Buu. Your theory relies on a whole lot of stuff that was never stated or even lightly implied, and therefore doesn't objectively make more or less sense than any other.
However, my opinion is based on examples that we see on the series and the similarities between the situation with Kami and Piccolo Daimao (Kami expelling his evil side) and Good Buu and Gray Buu (Buu expelling his evil side).
There being two Good Buus just kind of falls out of the sky and a fan would never think about that unless to somehow explain there being a Kid Buu. What I stated also explains there being a Kid Buu, but it follows naturally from the similarities between the two examples I mentioned and answers questions regarding them that would exist even if Good Buu had never been freed.
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