The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Beers is stated to be the strongest being in the history of Z, so Beers is stronger than Evolved Hildegarn, Gohan Boo, Pure Boo, Super Vegetto, Super Janenba, SS3 Broli, etc. Assuming that the statement applies to everything that is DBZ except BoG, since Whis is the real strongest. And since Beers is stronger than Super Vegetto, who is in around the same level as SS4 Goku, who is also around the same level as SS4 Vegeta, Oozaru Baby, and True Form Si Xing Long (the 2nd strongest of the Evil Dragons).
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How about Birsu being named strongest in history. Is that not proof enough?RandomGuy96 wrote:There's nothing saying Hirudegarn > Beers. Excepting a V-Jump comment that was later proven false, there's also nothing saying Beers > Hirudegarn.
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That's the V-Jump comment I was talking about. The one that was later proven false.TheGmGoken wrote:How about Birsu being named strongest in history. Is that not proof enough?RandomGuy96 wrote:There's nothing saying Hirudegarn > Beers. Excepting a V-Jump comment that was later proven false, there's also nothing saying Beers > Hirudegarn.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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No it wasn't........RandomGuy96 wrote:That's the V-Jump comment I was talking about. The one that was later proven false.TheGmGoken wrote:How about Birsu being named strongest in history. Is that not proof enough?RandomGuy96 wrote:There's nothing saying Hirudegarn > Beers. Excepting a V-Jump comment that was later proven false, there's also nothing saying Beers > Hirudegarn.
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So Beers is stronger than Whis?
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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In before retarded explanations for why Whis is an exception to that statement.RandomGuy96 wrote:So Beers is stronger than Whis?
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Bills Should be Below SSj2 Vegito, higher than SSJ Vegito
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Is this type of comment really necessary?hleV wrote:In before retarded explanations for why Whis is an exception to that statement.RandomGuy96 wrote:So Beers is stronger than Whis?
And Whis would be the exception to it. For one, Beerus' citation as the strongest in the "history" of Z means "up until now," whereas Whis' strength was revealed after the fact. Furthermore, Whis being revealed as stronger at the end of the film would be spoilery and not the kind of thing you'd reveal in pre-release promotional material.
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except bills is 4 times the power of SSJ vegito? and a weakened Hirudegarn without tail cut by magical sword. lost to a haxed Ability, not SSJ3 Goku.but doesn't mean anything since even Bills has a weakness which is a pot of chili



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All we know is Beerus is stronger than Super Vegito. By how much hasent been revealed.Friezacooler wrote:except bills is 4 times the power of SSJ vegito? and a weakened Hirudegarn without tail cut by magical sword. lost to a haxed Ability, not SSJ3 Goku.but doesn't mean anything since even Bills has a weakness which is a pot of chili![]()
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Actually, we don't know that.KentalSSJ6 wrote:All we know is Beerus is stronger than Super Vegito. By how much hasent been revealed.Friezacooler wrote:except bills is 4 times the power of SSJ vegito? and a weakened Hirudegarn without tail cut by magical sword. lost to a haxed Ability, not SSJ3 Goku.but doesn't mean anything since even Bills has a weakness which is a pot of chili![]()
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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How so? "Strongest being in the history of Z" seems pretty straightforward to me. The only possible exception would be Vegetto as a Super Saiyan 2 or 3, since he never used anything higher than SSJ1. Is that what you mean? If so, I actually agree.RandomGuy96 wrote:Actually, we don't know that.
This is next to incomprehensible. What are you trying to say?Friezacooler wrote:except bills is 4 times the power of SSJ vegito? and a weakened Hirudegarn without tail cut by magical sword. lost to a haxed Ability, not SSJ3 Goku.but doesn't mean anything since even Bills has a weakness which is a pot of chili![]()
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Indeed as Vegito hasn't been mentioned in battle of gods at all, however within a interview with Akira Toriyama don't know if it is reliable has vegito 6, Birusu 10, and Whis 15 proply talking about power difference's, not sure.
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That interview has Super Saiyan God Goku at 6, not Vegeto.Friezacooler wrote:Indeed as Vegito hasn't been mentioned in battle of gods at all, however within a interview with Akira Toriyama don't know if it is reliable has vegito 6, Birusu 10, and Whis 15 proply talking about power difference's, not sure.
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lol my mistakeKamiccolo9 wrote:That interview has SSJG Goku at 6, not Vegeto.Friezacooler wrote:Indeed as Vegito hasn't been mentioned in battle of gods at all, however within a interview with Akira Toriyama don't know if it is reliable has vegito 6, Birusu 10, and Whis 15 proply talking about power difference's, not sure.

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If we assume the numbers for SSJG Goku and Beerus are the numbers for their max power, id have to say Super Vegito would be a 5 or 5.5 at max.Kamiccolo9 wrote:That interview has Super Saiyan God Goku at 6, not Vegeto.Friezacooler wrote:Indeed as Vegito hasn't been mentioned in battle of gods at all, however within a interview with Akira Toriyama don't know if it is reliable has vegito 6, Birusu 10, and Whis 15 proply talking about power difference's, not sure.
I'm iffy on whether or not Vegito can go SSJ3, seeing as Vegeta cant, but I can see SSJ2 being more than possible seeing as both Goku and Vegeta have it.
Then again...Goten and Trunks could make Gotenks go SSJ3 despite neither of them having SSJ2. So, yeah take that with a grain of salt I suppose.
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Beerus is stronger than SSJ Vegetto sure but nothing suggest that Godku is too. For all intents and purposes SSJGod Goku and SSJ Vegetto could be even. Its pretty much up for grabs since Beerus is stronger than both of 'em anyway.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
If Beerus is strongest in the history of Z, that in turn means that Beerus is IN the history of Z, and that in turn means that Whis is IN the history of Z as well (because they were introduced at the same time), and THAT, my friend, in turn means that the statement is invalid because it says that Beerus is stronger than Whis.Kaboom wrote:Beerus' citation as the strongest in the "history" of Z means "up until now,"
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That comment doesn't apply, since Beers isn't actually the strongest. There's an understandable out of universe reason for not revealing this, but that doesn't change anything. Either Beers is the strongest or the statement is false. We are shown that the statement is false.How so? "Strongest being in the history of Z" seems pretty straightforward to me. The only possible exception would be Vegetto as a Super Saiyan 2 or 3, since he never used anything higher than SSJ1. Is that what you mean? If so, I actually agree.
That's not what I think though. I'm just emphasizing that nothing says Beers HAS to be stronger than Super Vegetto or even Buuhan.
I personally see Beers as considerably stronger than SS3 Vegetto, since Goku saw the god power as a realm of power he never thought could exist, and unlike with the last big threat no one suggested Vegetto as a way to beat Beers. Like this:
Whis- 15
Beers- 10
Godku- 6
SS3 Vegetto- 4
Syn Shenron- 8
--Fused with DBs- 80
SS4 Goku- 0.5
--x10 Kamehameha- 5
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The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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ggoku the krump dancer wrote:Beerus is stronger than SSJ Vegetto sure but nothing suggest that Godku is too. For all intents and purposes SSJGod Goku and SSJ Vegetto could be even. Its pretty much up for grabs since Beerus is stronger than both of 'em anyway.
More like nothing suggests that Birusu is stronger than Vegito, as Vegito hasn't been mentioned in BOG, but Birusu is indeed stronger than SSJ God.