Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:01 am

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UpFromTheSkies wrote:Yeah, that would be ridiculous, it would be like Goten becoming a SSJ as a child without having any training at all, something like that would never happen in Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball is serious business.... There's no Super Saiyan bargain sales in Dragon Ball, no sir.
I can buy that since Goten and Trunks are the sons of Goku and Vegeta (after getting Super Saiyan). But if a creature like Freeza becomes that much powerful with just 4 months of training, yes, that would be ridiculous.
So you can accept that Trunks and Goten are strong because they're mutants, but you can't accept that Freeza is that strong because he's a mutant? Why's that? And what about Goten and Trunks becoming SSJ3 without effort? They weren't born from SSJ3 parents.
Basically, the way Toriyama explains things would be once again ridiculous.
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Post by GokuRules987 » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:02 am

Tunjevina wrote:
GokuRules987 wrote: Like i said if you rewatch battle of gods you will find out that you cant surpass someone whos a god just by training and powering up. Training shouldnt even be an option for Freeza regardless of what kind of it is, even if Freeza was bench pressing a galaxy, he still shouldnt be able to beat Goku because Goku power level was stated to be completely unreadable and limitless. The only opponents that Goku would even find worthy to spare against are the gods themselves like beerus and whis.
You're saying that Whis is a God, yet nowhere in BOG is mentioned that he is a God, all we know about him is that he is Beerus's teacher and that Beerus is basically his boss, he is a mystery and hopefully we'll get to know him better in FnF. So it's not a fact that only Gods can compete with Gods, because if Whis is not a God and he can be stronger then Beerus & Goku, then so can Freeza without a God transformation.
Whis being a god of destruction is debatable but I think hes not, does he have godly ki, I am pretty sure he does, because none of the z fighters or king kai were able to sense neither Beerus or Whis presence

Think of this Beerus is a beer and Whis is whiskey what common thing does whiskey and beer share? THAT THEY ARE BOTH MADE OF ALCOHOL!!! but whiskey is more stronger aka Whis ;)
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by Black_Liger » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:02 am

Chuquita wrote:Post credit scene? :
Of course my brain pictures the post credit sequence from the LAM, only with Freeza being fed soup. XD

That's a very curious statement. Maybe Freeza does live to fight another day.
Or it's just a sequence of him back in hell with one of the MomoClo angels playing his head like a drum set.

What if Freeza defeats Goku, but decides to let Goku leave with the shame, to counter what he did on Namek?. Nah that doesn't sound like Toriyama.
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Post by JulieYBM » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:14 am

I'm not sure if there will be a post-credits scene. I think Nakao just wants us to watch the movie again...
If you watch until the end, than maybe once more…
I think 'than' is supposed to be 'then'.
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Post by snaku » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:21 am

JulieYBM wrote:I'm not sure if there will be a post-credits scene. I think Nakao just wants us to watch the movie again...
If you watch until the end, than maybe once more…
I think 'than' is supposed to be 'then'.
I think he's heavily implying that if you watch the movie to the end you'll find out he'll get to voice Freeza again. Freeza survives.

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Post by GokuRules987 » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:26 am

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Wait is Goku 58 years old here?
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Post by Abel Taylor » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:28 am

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Wait is Goku 58 years old here?
That was from the blog when Goku commented; it means that there are 58 days until the movie releases, though it is 54 now.
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Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:29 am

Maybe... Maybe he's turning over the leaf in the 2017 Dragon Ball Z movie?! Imagine Freeza having held a grudge against the Saiyans, when they get in the pinch, Freeza will interfere to save them? That may be the start of their rivalry.
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Post by Herms » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:33 am

JulieYBM wrote:I'm not sure if there will be a post-credits scene. I think Nakao just wants us to watch the movie again...
Yeah, it's best not to jump to any conclusions.
I think 'than' is supposed to be 'then'.
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Post by Dyno » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:46 am

Even the "Kamehameha" in Battle of Gods was a post-credit scene, so something like that, a collection of pictures would be cool again. Though, of course, I would prefer a teaser...

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Post by lord turbo » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:47 am

Kaboom wrote:With the revelation that Freeza has never trained before, I don't see what's so wrong about improving massively in a short time. He's as astoundingly strong as he already is just naturally from not doing anything at all. It's not surprising that this means he's got unfathomable potential just waiting to be tapped.

But all the same, I wouldn't jump to conclusions yet about how strong he'll end up, like comparing him to Goku's God-level power. Not until we've seen the film and know how the plot unfolds, at least.
I don't have any problem with Freeza getting stronger in a short amount of time, I only have a problem with him getting stronger than a current Goku who's always training and pushing himself pass new heights in a ridiculously short amount of time as well. Yeah, if Goku sat on his ass all day and ate nothing but triple chili cheeseburgers growing fat, out of shape, and weaker I could see Freeza maybe catching up to post SSJG Goku, maybe, not a Goku who's always surpassing his limits seemingly everday. So Freeza is born with a ridiculously high amount of power natural? Okay, and? You know else else was born with a ridiculously high amount of power. Vegeta, Piccolo, Goten and Trunks (The last two are even more naturallly stronger than Freeza is) and yet they are all inferior to Goku. So Freeza is a prodigy you say? Okay, and? You know else is a prodigy? Tenshinhan, Piccolo, Vegeta, and Mr. Buu. All of them are still inferior to Goku currently. I'm going to need something more than 4 months to convince me. Besides, like another poster said this is simply an estimate by Freeza, we don't know if this comes true or if there is something more at play.

I guess we could all just hold off on jumping to conclusions and wait for the actual movie to come out to find the answers, but I guess that would be just crazy talk.

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Post by FutureGohanSSJ2 » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:48 am

Alright. This is it. My last post. I'm clearing this all up now and I'm not going to respond again due to the point of there then being no point. I am going to provide images from the film (in it's original Japanese subtitle format) to prove my points. Here we go:

SSJ doesn't use up or drain energy once its been perfected. That's what Goku and Gohan did during their Rosat (Room of Spirit and Time) training. They mastered their SSJ to the point it doesn't drain energy or make them feel restless and agitagted anymore. Goku really doesn't need to use SSJ anymore, even if he does he's not wasting any energy either. The SSJ forms multipliers are pretty finished thanks to what SSJG did to Goku's being. SSJ really is just a dye job and no it doesn't burn any energy, stop saying that.
-No, Goku and Gohan trained to make the form more natural. To use /less/ energy on the transformation. It still uses energy. There's still a burn. It's just negligible. Doesn't burn near as badly. There's also still a 50x power-up, which you alleged there wasn't. Also why he went from just being able to make Beerus sting to actually keeping up with him.

To go more in-depth with what /exactly/ Goku and Gohan did with their SSJ forms: According to the old Daizex site, all they did was basically force their bodies to become adjusted to it to minimize strain, ALMOST as if it were a natural state. Also reduces energy consumption during battle. But it still burns it. And still gives a boost as well. Otherwise there'd be no point in taking it.
Allow me to explain my stance. Beerus himself pointed out to Goku that after he absorbed SSJG, his power didn't decrease much from it which is why he was able to still fight at SSJG level without actually be SSJG itself. Whatever difference there is between base, ssj, and SSJG now is small, for all intents and purposes all three of his forms are in the same ballpark with each other.
-I think I know what the problem is now. I believe I may see where your confusion lies. Have you only seen the Dub? I'm not judging you or anything; I loved the dub of the film. However, there were certain scenes, the one in question with Beerus, that were..."shortened" and not explained as well as the Japanese subtitle. Allow me to show you:
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He clearly says, "That's why when you transformed back, your powers didn't decrease drastically." This is what I've been trying to tell you. His powers did decrease and were decreasing, and that /was/ something that was visible, which I will get to shortly.
Base Goku didn't get his ass handed to him by Beerus, you are over exaggerating. If you notice base, ssj, and ssjg Goku all struggle to keep up with Beerus once he gets serious (70%), all three different forms also endure, tank, and recover about the same with no difference despite Beerus going HAM on all three different falls all the same. Goku doesn't kick Beerus ass around the sky either, you are over exaggerating again. SSJ Goku has a breath skirish and lands a few hits on Beerus that doesn't do any serious or significant damage to him anymore than he did in his base form. Beerus is even shown taunting Goku in the stratosphere to which SSJ Goku starts using IT multiple times to confuse beerus before firing off a huge Kamehameha that literally does nothing to Beerus. So much for SSJ Goku kicking Beerus ass, lol.
-Exhibit A:
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I said Goku got his ass handed to him by Beerus "via hand-to-hand combat", as you can clearly see from the picture above. Which is when you see Goku resorting to sneak attacks with the aid of Instant Transmission.

Exhibit B:
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As we can now see, Goku as a Super Saiyan is not only able to get in a good few hits,
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but is able to completely keep up with Beerus, despite his lackadaisical fighting style. Beerus at 70% of his power was indeed getting tossed around the sky. There were a total of 4 hits that sent Beerus flying around: 1 punch to the mouth, a kick to the back, a punch to the face, and then a knee to the stomach, and then they continued fighting blow-for-blow all the way into space. (I've seen the film...yeesh. 5 times in Jap (6 times if you count director's cut), 5 times when it came to theaters here, and then about another 5 times since Blu-ray release. I've got these fight scenes just-about memorized, lol).
Again, misunderstanding scenes again, we have no idea what SSJG did to Beerus giant ki ball. All we know is that he stopped it somehow? This doesn't mean SSJG is considerably stronger than SSJ or base. Remember, Beerus said he didn't power down much when he lost SSJG. That means his base and SSJ form are not that far apart from SSJG. Rememeber, Toriyama said if Beerus is a 7 (which would be 70% his full power) base/SSJ Goku is an 6 (Which would be 60% of Beerus full' power) in comparison to him. That means SSJG Goku falls between 60% and 70% of Beerus meaning he's not that much different from base/SSJ Goku in power level which is what was stated in the movie.
-"Beerus said he didn't power down much when he lost SSJG." As I pointed out earlier in this, as you can clearly see via the Japanese dub, the reason he didn't power down much was because, not only was he powering down /slowly/ already, but the boost he got from going Super Saiyan (which, yes, again, there /is/ still the multiplier involved, that doesn't just go away because you say it does), made him still able to maintain most of the immense God Form power. Essentially he was losing power via God Form loss, and yet gaining power via the SSJ transformation... Basically they're cancelling each other out, keeping his fight power roughly around the God Form power for a bit.
This is pretty simple and I have zero idea why you are having such a difficult time trying to comprehend this.
-Because, no offense, it's a load of crap. You act like it's so obvious, but... It isn't. And there's literally no proof ANYWHERE stating that Goku, in Base Form now, is equal to that of his Super Saiyan form, and that him going Super Saiyan in the movie AT ALL was useless and didn't change his power level at all. No. No, that's BS. Complete and utter BS that I refuse to believe. Not only that, it's VISIBLY untrue. Goku as a Super Saiyan fairs far better than he did when he was in Base. You're seriously trying to tell me that Goku going Super Saiyan changed nothing from his battle power? Really? That they just through it in there just because? No. Not only do I say "No, that's BS.", I'm also going to say "No, there's nothing proving or even INSINUATING that." As a movie, they wouldn't do something like that and then just not explain that him going Super Saiyan did nothing. No, it did do something. He was definitely visibly more powerful and visibly did more than he did in Base. /THIS/ is something that I'm finding hard for YOU to believe. Yeesh. I believe you're trying to turn this into something FAR more complicated than it is.

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Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:58 am

Herms wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:I'm not sure if there will be a post-credits scene. I think Nakao just wants us to watch the movie again...
Yeah, it's best not to jump to any conclusions.
I think 'than' is supposed to be 'then'.
Fixed now.
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Post by Chuquita » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:03 am

*Decides to scale the Vegeta sample image down to see how he looks up against the sample Gokû*.
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Between the poster and the scaled up image on the official dragonball2015 site, I'd partly forgotten how petite Vegeta's is.
Either I resized wrong or, I could've sworn Vegeta is supposed to be at least a little taller than that. I thought the top of his head hits at Gokû's chin. Maybe I'm mis-remembering. I'm still entertained by this though. :3
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Post by Retan » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:06 am

Chuquita wrote:*Decides to scale the Vegeta sample image down to see how he looks up against the sample Gokû*.
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Between the poster and the scaled up image on the official dragonball2015 site, I'd partly forgotten how petite Vegeta's is.
Either I resized wrong or, I could've sworn Vegeta is supposed to be at least a little taller than that. I thought the top of his head hits at Gokû's chin. Maybe I'm mis-remembering. I'm still entertained by this though. :3

Yeah that doesn't look right he looks about Krillens size there :wtf: you know what I don't think anythings wrong with Vegeta I think Goku is to lanky actually. His legs especially.

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Post by Chuquita » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:09 am

Retan wrote:
Chuquita wrote:*Decides to scale the Vegeta sample image down to see how he looks up against the sample Gokû*.
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Between the poster and the scaled up image on the official dragonball2015 site, I'd partly forgotten how petite Vegeta's is.
Either I resized wrong or, I could've sworn Vegeta is supposed to be at least a little taller than that. I thought the top of his head hits at Gokû's chin. Maybe I'm mis-remembering. I'm still entertained by this though. :3

Yeah that doesn't look right he looks about Krillens size there :wtf: you know what I don't think anythings wrong with Vegeta I think Goku is to lanky actually. His legs especially.
It's definitely possible they just drew Gokû taller than normal. Let me go check Bulma up against them.

EDIT: Vegeta's the normal one; even Bulma is taller than him than she usually is.

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Post by Herms » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:15 am

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Out of curiosity, why are you using VegettoEX's name instead of yours when posting news on the homepage?
It's because Mike creates the drafts for these blog update posts (which includes the basic "with X days left, the blog has updated with..." at the start and the standard overview of "Revival of F" at the end), then leaves them for me to plug in the Japanese text, English translation, and anything else necessary once the blog actually updates each day. So because he's the one who created the draft, it posts under his name. There's probably some way to change this so that it posts under my name, but so far I haven't figured it out. Oh well, 53 days to sort that out. It's not like I'm trying to impersonate him or anything. Though now that you mention it, I totally could just put any crazy thing in those posts, and he'd take the blame.
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Herms wrote:
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Out of curiosity, why are you using VegettoEX's name instead of yours when posting news on the homepage?
It's because Mike creates the drafts for these blog update posts (which includes the basic "with X days left, the blog has updated with..." at the start and the standard overview of "Revival of F" at the end), then leaves them for me to plug in the Japanese text, English translation, and anything else necessary once the blog actually updates each day. So because he's the one who created the draft, it posts under his name. There's probably some way to change this so that it posts under my name, but so far I haven't figured it out. Oh well, 53 days to sort that out. It's not like I'm trying to impersonate him or anything. Though now that you mention it, I totally could just put any crazy thing in those posts, and he'd take the blame.
If I could ask, why does Ti-en become Tenshinhan, but names like Krillin remain as written?
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Post by Sora Saiyan » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:55 am

Bullza wrote:
And how could SSJ4 be less powerful than SSJG?


Super Saiyan God boosts Goku's powers significantly more than what Super Saiyan 4 does. I'm not entirely sure if this is true but I'm sure I read on here once that Super Saiyan 4 Goku was comparable to Super Vegito whereas Super Saiyan God Goku could be far stronger than SSJ3 Vegito.
It is stated in one of the anime comics for GT that Vegetto is perhaps even stronger than a SSJ4, we know Beerus is stronger than Vegetto, and so is God Goku IMO, both by a wide margin.

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Post by mAcChaos » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:59 am

Sora Saiyan wrote:
Bullza wrote:
And how could SSJ4 be less powerful than SSJG?


Super Saiyan God boosts Goku's powers significantly more than what Super Saiyan 4 does. I'm not entirely sure if this is true but I'm sure I read on here once that Super Saiyan 4 Goku was comparable to Super Vegito whereas Super Saiyan God Goku could be far stronger than SSJ3 Vegito.
It is stated in one of the anime comics for GT that Vegetto is perhaps even stronger than a SSJ4, we know Beerus is stronger than Vegetto, and so is God Goku IMO, both by a wide margin.
Vegito is Goku + Vegeta though. So if Goku can go God, then Vegito should still be stronger because he would be able to go God from that point on.

Unless you mean Vegito as we last saw him in the actual series.
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