Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

I think if the movies do continue Goku won't lose the God powers, and I don't think he would want everyone's help again to reach the form, he would just find a way to use the power whenever he wants. I don't know how, but it's Goku, he does this stuff.

[Chuquita]

Ssjg originally had a cloak?! http://okstars.okwave.jp/vol249.html So there was originally a costume involved?
*Wishes to see what it would've looked like.*
*_*

I mean, I wouldn't trade the cloak for the pink hair, because honestly, I love the pink hair. (Just as I'm happy they decided that Birusu's gonna be a short-tempered kitty instead of an evil-spell-casting lizard)
I still think it's neat that they considered a costume change at some point though.

[Marco Polo]

This reminds me of Cell losing Android 18 but somehow keeping his Perfect form because his body "remembered" the form.

[Black_Liger]

Dragon ball's story is getting just as convoluted as kingdom hearts

[Herms]

This reminds me of Cell losing Android 18 but somehow keeping his Perfect form because his body "remembered" the form.

That's a dub line. In the original there's...no real explanation, besides his Saiyan cells making him stronger after a near-death experience.

So anyway, SSG involves the other pure hearted Saiyans giving power to Goku, but apparently it's somehow different than just gathering up everyone's power (ala DBZ movie 8, I suppose). There's actually a failed first attempt at creating SSG, before they realize they need a total of 6 Saiyans. Goku's power gets way bigger, but Piccolo says that rather than becoming a god he's just gathered up everyone's power, and he can't win like that. They try again with Videl/Pan, and it works (Kuririn says he can't even tell how powerful Goku is now, apparently a callback to the idea of gods' having special ki regular folks can't sense).

[penguintruth]

What's official is official and Vegeta had a power level of 250,000 after eating that Senzu.

If it's not in the manga, it didn't happen. Period.

It doesn't make sense for Vegeta to be stronger than Goku after that, anyway. Otherwise he could have taken Ginyu himself.

[Nex Carnifex]

A new interview with Yamamuro, the animation supervisor. http://okstars.okwave.jp/vol249.html

It says that Birusu originally looked like a lizard, but Toriyama changed his design entirely.

A lizard... And we know he was originally meant to be the being who instilled evil into the Saiyan race... So he was basically the Serpent from the Bible?

They did say the got AT on board because the worldview was too dark, and that would be pretty dark.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Just heard clips from the movies soundtrack and I gotta say I like it quite a lot, but I do agree with what some of you are saying about it not feeling very Dragon Ball like. I've found that at least sometimes it manages to capture that Dragon Ball feel.

[ZombieVito]

What's official is official and Vegeta had a power level of 250,000 after eating that Senzu.

If it's not in the manga, it didn't happen. Period.

It doesn't make sense for Vegeta to be stronger than Goku after that, anyway. Otherwise he could have taken Ginyu himself.

250k? makes absolutely no sense, it has to be at 50k.

Anyway 4 more days!!

[fogdark]

So anyway, SSG involves the other pure hearted Saiyans giving power to Goku, but apparently it's somehow different than just gathering up everyone's power (ala DBZ movie 8, I suppose). There's actually a failed first attempt at creating SSG, before they realize they need a total of 6 Saiyans. Goku's power gets way bigger, but Piccolo says that rather than becoming a god he's just gathered up everyone's power, and he can't win like that. They try again with Videl/Pan, and it works (Kuririn says he can't even tell how powerful Goku is now, apparently a callback to the idea of gods' having special ki regular folks can't sense).

So it really is some kind of magical transformation.
More than reaching a new level of Super Saiyajin, it makes more sense that Goku simply became a higher being, truly a god of the Saiyajins. Interesting...
So, this only reinforces my believe that they should've dropped the "Super" from the name, and call the transformation simply, the "Saiyajin god" form

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Okay I gotta ask, Penguintruth how powerful do you think Vegeta is when he fights Freeza the first time?

[ZombieVito]

500K when they struggled. It can't be lower than that.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Ssjg originally had a cloak?! http://okstars.okwave.jp/vol249.html So there was originally a costume involved?
*Wishes to see what it would've looked like.*

Me too. I'm curious though, did Toriyama actually do any design work for Super Saiyan God? We haven't seen a Toriyama Super Saiyan God sketch to my knowledge, so maybe all the "After SS3, I wanted to pare it down to the absolute limit" talk was literally just that? Did he only advise Yamamuro on what ideas he thought should be included?

[penguintruth]

Okay I gotta ask, Penguintruth how powerful do you think Vegeta is when he fights Freeza the first time?

There's no power level number stated for Vegeta at the point he begins fighting Freeza. Freeza's scouter is destroyed when they grapple. Vegeta becomes more powerful after Kuririn's blast and Dende's healing, but that also is not read by any scouters. No power levels are read via scouter again until the beginning of the Cell arc, by Freeza's thug (5 for Trunks, who is supressing like a mofo).

Obviously Vegeta is far weaker than Goku at the point that Goku recovers in the healing tank, because Goku arrives and knocks Freeza's beams aside pretty easily.

But this is all speculation. Power levels as read by scouters are completely irrelevant at this point of the story and one has to speculate based on vague statements. The entire point of readable power levels is completely thrown out because technology can't measure the kind of power these characters have. Even Babidi's kiri reading is pretty pointless except in figuring out how much more energy he needs to awaken Buu.

Goku was easily beating Ginyu with Kaioken until the body switch. Vegeta couldn't have been anywhere near as strong. He was in awe when Goku dominated Jeice and Baata.

[NeoKING]

Except he didn't look like his base form... I'm pretty sure it was made clear when he was and when he wasn't using Kaioken.

No, as I remember it, the shock came from the fact that Goku had been using the Kaioken the whole time to everyone's surprise.

[TheMightyOzaru]

What's official is official and Vegeta had a power level of 250,000 after eating that Senzu.

If it's not in the manga, it didn't happen. Period.

It doesn't make sense for Vegeta to be stronger than Goku after that, anyway. Otherwise he could have taken Ginyu himself.

He could have taken Ginyu by himself... In fact he kinda did. He was also holding his own against a suppressed Freeza... Sorry no, if it's official information, it happened.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Okay, just wondering. It's a fact that Vegeta (Freeza power struggle) is more powerful than Goku was when he fought Ginyu, we know that from Freeza's scouter being destroyed.
I'm not much for power level debates and the rest of that stuff really.

[penguintruth]

What's official is official and Vegeta had a power level of 250,000 after eating that Senzu.

If it's not in the manga, it didn't happen. Period.

It doesn't make sense for Vegeta to be stronger than Goku after that, anyway. Otherwise he could have taken Ginyu himself.

He could have taken Ginyu by himself... In fact he kinda did. He was also holding his own against a suppressed Freeza... Sorry no, if it's official information, it happened.

Vegeta took on Ginyu in Goku's body, who couldn't do shit with it, and Ginyu in his own body after it was already heavily damaged. Goku easily swatted aside Final Form Freeza's beams.

There's no way Vegeta is anywhere near as powerful as Goku at that point in the story. There's no logic to it.

Find me the page in the manga where somebody said Vegeta was at 250,000.

[ZombieVito]

Find me the page in the manga where somebody said Vegeta was at 250,000.

He doesn't need to, the struggle he has with Freeza confirms Vegeta is on the same tier has him. 500K is a minimum.

[Kaboom]

Is this really the place for this kind of debate?