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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Wed May 08, 2013 3:38 pm

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Kid Buu wrote:So I rewatching GT, and I actually don't mind Pan. She was pretty decent for a kid protagonist, the storyline just give her much to work with. Then again, you could say that for pretty much any non-Goku character.
Same. I've never had a problem with her. Sure, she has an attitude and what not, but it's honestly not as bad as people make her out to be.
Especially when the same issues with her attitude and what not that people bring up can also be thrown at every single other female character in Dragon Ball, generally.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by KingofWisdom » Wed May 08, 2013 3:49 pm

I'm not sure if I've watched through GT in Japanese, but she's unbearable in the English dub and I wouldn't be surprised if she gets a bad rap for that.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Wed May 08, 2013 3:52 pm

KingofWisdom wrote:I'm not sure if I've watched through GT in Japanese, but she's unbearable in the English dub and I wouldn't be surprised if she gets a bad rap for that.
I actually didn't find her unbearable in the dub either. I enjoyed her just as much there - well, maybe not just as much, now that I actually have heard Minaguchi in the role, but I still like Baughman's performance. That said though, I know I'm in the minority, cuz some friends have mentioned that they found her to be even brattier in the dub.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Insertclevername » Wed May 08, 2013 3:53 pm

KingofWisdom wrote:I'm not sure if I've watched through GT in Japanese, but she's unbearable in the English dub and I wouldn't be surprised if she gets a bad rap for that.
Oh, I was just talking about the Japanese. I sort of remember English Pan...coincidentally, I also remember wanting to shove ice picks in my ears.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Rocketman » Wed May 08, 2013 6:53 pm

I hate children, so...

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Post by Kid Buu » Wed May 08, 2013 7:07 pm

Rocketman wrote:I hate children, so...
Even child Chichi?

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Post by Brodes » Sun May 12, 2013 5:54 pm

I don't think this is the right place for this, but if suddenly DBZ Figuarts were given the boot and there was only going to be one final figure made in the future (with all others no longer possible to get), I would want it to be Bardock. It surprised me when my brain realised this.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun May 12, 2013 5:56 pm

I think humans have the best character designs

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by sonikku956 » Mon May 13, 2013 8:39 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:I think humans have the best character designs
I have to disagree. Chaozu's design is odd. He's only one year younger than Goku, but he still looks like a child. It's kinda creepy, considering that he is in fact, a human and all...

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Post by Brodes » Mon May 13, 2013 10:16 pm

sonikku956 wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:I think humans have the best character designs
I have to disagree. Chaozu's design is odd. He's only one year younger than Goku, but he still looks like a child. It's kinda creepy, considering that he is in fact, a human and all...
Yeah, dwarves totally don't exist, so having a dwarven character in fiction is dumb!

Seriously, it's fine to say he's an odd design but your whole issue seems to be as an adult he's child sized?

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Post by TheGmGoken » Mon May 13, 2013 10:51 pm

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TheGmGoken wrote:I think humans have the best character designs
I have to disagree. Chaozu's design is odd. He's only one year younger than Goku, but he still looks like a child. It's kinda creepy, considering that he is in fact, a human and all...
Did you see Chaozu in DB? His fight with Krillin proves he was weird in fact. Odd designs are awesome to be honest. It's differ from everyone else. He's one of my favorite designs.

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Post by Gaffer Tape » Mon May 13, 2013 10:55 pm

It's not even that for me. I just don't get why Dragon Ball "earthlings" or "humans" or whatever, are expected to conform to real world equivalents. Why does Chaozu have to be "normal"? Why compare his size to Goku (or Kuririn), who looked about the same as 5-year-old Gohan when he was pushing puberty age? Why can't his face be chalk white when the king of the frickin' world is a dog with a mustache and glasses? I dunno. My opinion is that it's due to that "Dragon Ball is hardcore" feeling. It's hardcore and vicious and violent with gut-wrenching drama, so silly things can't fit, and all oddities have to be space aliens because that's somehow more realistic. And that's not a knock at sonikku956 feeling that way about it. After all, Toriyama gradually did the same thing when, after Namek, he forgot about nearly all of those animal-type earthlings. I guess Chaozu's lucky that Toriyama didn't totally forget about him.

But I guess that's why I find the whole "Tenshinhan is descended from aliens" thing so annoying. To so much of the fandom, it's a sigh of relief. "Oh, now he makes sense." But to me, I just keep screaming, "I didn't need an explanation! He has three eyes! He can grow arms out of his back! What's the problem?!" At least when Goku was rewritten to be an alien, it was for the purpose of telling a story...
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Tue May 14, 2013 11:58 am

I agree, especially on the 'Tenshinhan is alien descended' thing. I pretty much ignore that little notation for the most part, since as Gaffer Tape said, it has no bearing on the story at all. It never even comes up in the story proper, so to me it feels like it's okay to not really acknowledge it too much in my mind if I don't want to.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Tue May 14, 2013 12:10 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:I really enjoy most of the Buu Arc, but I despise Goten, Trunks, and Gotenks. Arrogant little brats. Zero discipline with planet busting power, and no one except Piccolo ever tries to keep them under control.
I think Goten and Young Trunks are fine individually but yeah, when they're together..they're annoying. VERY ANNOYING!!
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That makes sense but since his fight with Boohan was build up to be an important, super-deciding fight...it's a bit jarring especially since he's the 4th person to be hyped up as Majin Boo's destroyer but just play around with him (he at least had a reason to play around though).
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Zephyr » Tue May 14, 2013 3:04 pm

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Zephyr wrote:Dragon Ball is built on gags. Every serious moment in the series shares continuity with a good number of gags. There are events resulting directly from the gags that lead to the rest of the series being able to happen. What I'm trying to say is that gags are a core element to the story. Hell, I'd even argue that the insane degree to which characters grow in power could be interpreted as a meta-gag in and of itself.
That makes sense but since his fight with Boohan was build up to be an important, super-deciding fight...it's a bit jarring especially since he's the 4th person to be hyped up as Majin Boo's destroyer but just play around with him (he at least had a reason to play around though).
I see what you mean. It was literally hyped up character after hyped up character, and that's incredibly jarring if you're trying to look at things in a direct, explicit, serious manner. I still think it works though, if you treat the Buu arc more for what it basically is, which is a massive self-parody. Vegetto is the ultimate hyped up character, a fusion of two of the strongest beings in existence. That's literally as much hype as you could put into one character. He could have ended it, but he decided not to.

That's what I feel sets him apart from Gohan and Gotenks. It's true that he didn't defeat Buu, but that's not because he couldn't. He's the strongest motherfucker in existence, and just straight up decided "nah", and decided to do something else instead.

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DBZAOTA482 wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:I really enjoy most of the Buu Arc, but I despise Goten, Trunks, and Gotenks. Arrogant little brats. Zero discipline with planet busting power, and no one except Piccolo ever tries to keep them under control.
I think Goten and Young Trunks are fine individually but yeah, when they're together..they're annoying. VERY ANNOYING!!
When Goku and Vegeta fuse they becomce one of the best and funniest characters ever, but when the boys fuse they become one of the worst.
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Post by goku the krump dancer » Tue May 14, 2013 7:04 pm

I'm not really a Gotenks fan either which is why I hate that he's arguably much stronger than Goku in the Boo arc.

Oh yeah another unpopular opinion of mine is : I don't find Yamcha bashing humorous at all, in fact I hate it to a degree.
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Post by IDreamtIWasABee » Tue May 14, 2013 7:45 pm

The Japanese theme for Goku's SSJ transformation is an assault on my spine. Something about those horns....

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue May 14, 2013 8:10 pm

I think a weaker fusion (i.e. Gogeta) would've worked better. Then we can have our climatic battle. Buu could win after a tough battle and absorb Gogeta. Everything looks hopeless, forcing Gogeta to reveal his ace in the hole at the last second. Cue the rest of the Buu Arc.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Rocketman » Tue May 14, 2013 8:12 pm

Super Saiyan God is complete shit.

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