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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:25 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Another fight:
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I'd say both Goten and Trunks are pretty close to Piccolo in power, but he's got a HUGE advantage in skill and ability. He could stomp either of them one-or-one.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kid Buu » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:03 pm

How strong is Cyborg Tao compared to other 23rd Budokai fighters? I re-read the arc and Tenshinhan beats Tao rather easily, although it seemed either Yamcha or Kuririn showed concern over him.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:21 pm

Kid Buu wrote:How strong is Cyborg Tao compared to other 23rd Budokai fighters? I re-read the arc and Tenshinhan beats Tao rather easily, although it seemed either Yamcha or Kuririn showed concern over him.
According to that Weekly Jump scan his battle power was 210, surpassing both Yamcha and Krillin.

In the manga itself nothing concrete is ever stated and at one point Yamcha and Krillin were getting ready to help Tenshinhan beat Tao.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:34 pm

I don't see a problem with his 210 power level, and so just roll with it for now. Exact same level I use Drum, amusingly enough. Ten's 250 is a different story, though.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Nikkolas » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:37 pm

Is there anyone who be a good match for Turles after the fruit? He was dominating Kaio-ken x 10 Goku so that puts him at around 300,000? The only person close to him is Vegeta during his struggle with base Freeza but he's still substantially weaker.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:49 pm

Nikkolas wrote:Is there anyone who be a good match for Tullece after the fruit? He was dominating Kaio-ken x 10 Goku so that puts him at around 300,000? The only person close to him is Vegeta during his struggle with base Freeza but he's still substantially weaker.
Base Freeza would technically be 4th form Freeza.

Anyway, he's only below 300,000 according to V-Jump, which really seems to contradict what Freeza says right after. I think post-fruit Tullece and post zenkai Vegeta are more or less equal. Either could put up a decent fight but lose against 1st form Freeza, but are more than enough to stomp a power of 300,000.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:47 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
Nikkolas wrote:Is there anyone who be a good match for Tullece after the fruit? He was dominating Kaio-ken x 10 Goku so that puts him at around 300,000? The only person close to him is Vegeta during his struggle with base Freeza but he's still substantially weaker.
Base Freeza would technically be 4th form Freeza.

Anyway, he's only below 300,000 according to V-Jump, which really seems to contradict what Freeza says right after. I think post-fruit Tullece and post zenkai Vegeta are more or less equal. Either could put up a decent fight but lose against 1st form Freeza, but are more than enough to stomp a power of 300,000.
Could't Cooler's men also put up a fight? I mean if they all attacked at once(For some reason it works for villains but not Heroes).

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:19 pm

What the-
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:20 pm

Considering that Salza stomped Gohan easily, and they were confident in taking on the guy who killed Freeza, they're more likely far, faaaaaar beyond the power of his 1st form.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Nikkolas » Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:38 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote: Base Freeza would technically be 4th form Freeza.
How do you figure? Shouldn't his base be before he powers up at all?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:40 pm

Nikkolas wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote: Base Freeza would technically be 4th form Freeza.
How do you figure? Shouldn't his base be before he powers up at all?
Freeza's transformations are different from the other characters. His final form is his true, "base" form, while the others are kind of like "shells" he has made for himself to restrain his power.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:44 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Considering that Salza stomped Gohan easily, and they were confident in taking on the guy who killed Freeza, they're more likely far, faaaaaar beyond the power of his 1st form.
That or they're close to Freeza's 530,000 power(Maybe Freeza died in his 530k form according to them. But that's nitpicking). But I agree that should able to rival ONE of Freeza's form. So Turles ate a second fruit after beating the shit out of Goku and his friends. So how would that change the battle?

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:12 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Nikkolas wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote: Base Freeza would technically be 4th form Freeza.
How do you figure? Shouldn't his base be before he powers up at all?
Freeza's transformations are different from the other characters. His final form is his true, "base" form, while the others are kind of like "shells" he has made for himself to restrain his power.

Yeah, that. His base form is the one he was born into, and what everything else is based around. From there, he can either power down to his three shells, or increase his power by bulking up.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:Considering that Salza stomped Gohan easily, and they were confident in taking on the guy who killed Freeza, they're more likely far, faaaaaar beyond the power of his 1st form.
That or they're close to Freeza's 530,000 power(Maybe Freeza died in his 530k form according to them. But that's nitpicking). But I agree that should able to rival ONE of Freeza's form. So Tullece ate a second fruit after beating the shit out of Goku and his friends. So how would that change the battle?
Battle with who? Salza?

I think Gohan was over one million without rage anyway. So Salza stomping him is evidence to me that he can stomp Tullece just as easily even if he eats three fruit.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by Kid Buu » Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:47 pm

Assuming the humans have the same power level as they did in the Ginyu force filler.

Tenshinhan/Yamcha/Chaotzu Vs Ginyu Force, this time ith Ginyu there too.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:57 pm

Kid Buu wrote:Assuming the humans have the same power level as they did in the Ginyu force filler.

Tenshinhan/Yamcha/Chaotzu Vs Ginyu Force, this time ith Ginyu there too.
Ten was around 100K or so given that his multi form clones took down the Ginyus individually. He'd give the Cap'n some trouble. Everyone else is fodder. Ginyu takes it if he can avoid the Kikoho.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by Mystic Buu » Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:40 am

Appule vs Raditz.

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Post by flashback0180 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:32 pm

Mystic Buu wrote:Appule vs Raditz.

Raditz in Ape form is stronger than base Nappa so i'll say Raditz.


Besides does he even fight , most of Freezas henchman in the ship are in 500 - 1000 of power lv , they even need weapons(laser guns)...

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Post by hleV » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:56 pm

They're actually ki guns that presumably allow for ki blast type of attacks for those who are normally incapable of doing that on their own.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:04 pm

hleV wrote:They're actually ki guns that presumably allow for ki blast type of attacks for those who are normally incapable of doing that on their own.
More specifically:
Daizenshuu 7 wrote:Beam Gun
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They're connected to scouters, and fire a beam suitable for the opponent's battle power. (Daizenshuu 4, p.156)
But Appule didn't have one of those.
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Post by ZombieVito » Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:41 pm

I have Appule slightly stronger, so he wins.

I have him at 1600.

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