Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Herms]

How can you compare TOEI Movies with BoG and RoF?

Just to be clear, Toei is responsible for BoG and RoF as well. They've produced every piece of DB animation. Takao Koyama wrote the scripts for the first 13 DBZ movies, so if you want to distinguish between them and these two recent ones, calling the old ones the "Koyama movies" would work much better.

(In fact, if we were to call the first 13 DBZ movies the "Koyama canon", this would be a far more traditional use of the word "canon" than how it's typically used in fandom. But this would probably just confuse people who are only used to the fandom definition.)

Not really. Chris Ayres is bad at doing Freeza's voice... He sounds like a british polite with white dress and ice tea

Perfect. If I'm not mistaken, Freeza's Japanese voice has the speech mannerisms of an aristocrat.

That's right. Ryusei Nakao has said in interviews that he pictured Freeza as a member of the Kuge, a Japanese aristocratic class.

[Kakarot9001]

Perfect. If I'm not mistaken, Freeza's Japanese voice has the speech mannerisms of an aristocrat.

Also why would movies 9/13 be canon if the others aren't? Just because they tie into the manga with things like Tapion's sword going to Trunks? Because that doesn't mean squat.

I'm not saying that Nakao is bad, he is pretty good indeed his voices gives the impression of a powerful guy yet full of manneirims but my opinion is just that I find Linda Young better than him, because all you guys can runt about her being a lady dubbing Freeza but did Freeza have a mainly appearance? Think about that

Tapion's sword never meant to be the explanation to how Future Trunks get his sword even if is implied that in the movie, for me is more like how present Trunks/GT Trunks got his sword

[Herms]

but did Freeza have a mainly appearance? Think about that

Kind of varies by form.

1st Form: No
2nd Form: Yes
3rd Form: More monster than anything
4th Form: No
100% Full Power: Yes
Mecha Freeza: No

Anyway, I think even Nakao's performance as 1st Form Freeza sounds a bit feminine at times. It ties in with the super-polite aristocrat theme. Being very polite tends to come across as more feminine than masculine.

Incidentally, during my last Chinese class, my teacher was this Chinese lady who laughed exactly like Nakao's Freeza. Freaked me the fuck out.

[Zephyr]

I think flamboyant is the perfect word, for both his physical appearance most of the time and his voices as provided by Nakao and Ayres.

[bleed0range]

I get that the first 13 movies are non-canon... but when I grew up watching DBZ I didn't know that's how it worked. So, originally I just was very confused about how they fit into the timeline. But I liked them despite that! Eventually of course, I realized they don't fit and they're just their own thing. But they exist and they can still be enjoyed.

At the same time, everyone uses the "There is no actual canon" argument. Considering no one has provided one officially. I know Toriyama says these films are a continuation of the storyline in the manga... but at the same time if there is no actual official canon then the 13 movies are just as canon as anything else. Even if we know better and even if fan's have created their own personal "fan" canon. Which does not necessarily mean Toriayma-only is canon. Although, that IS my preferred viewpoint.

[Bullza]

I liked the Linda Young voice of Frìeza in the show itself but I do think that as the years went on and she did the voice for the games that the voice became less and less chilling and more and more grandma like and I'd much rather Aryes do the voice from now on.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

You guys gotta admit that Chris Ayres is giving excellent voice for Freeza, almost too perfect to be true. I'd say he's almost on par with Ryusei Nakao. If you've seen Xenoverse, then you can see that he definitely has stepped up his game. He's only going to be even better for the film.

I'm surprised someone even mentioned Linda Yong to be better Freeza than Nakao. He was the original Freeza. Young wasn't even close to Nakao as a voice actor, let alone doing Nakao-esque performance. Ayres did.

[Herms]

At the same time, everyone uses the "There is no actual canon" argument. Considering no one has provided one officially. I know Toriyama says these films are a continuation of the storyline in the manga... but at the same time if there is no actual official canon then the 13 movies are just as canon as anything else. Even if we know better and even if fan's have created their own personal "fan" canon. Which does not necessarily mean Toriayma-only is canon. Although, that IS my preferred viewpoint.

Basically all this talk of canon boils down to trying to determine what "counts" and what doesn't, and overall the big problem is that DB fans typically argue over canon without acknowledging that what "counts" depends on the context, and what you're trying to do. So if you're writing up a timeline of the DB universe, the fact that DBZ movie 8 has a lot of continuity issues that make it difficult to fit into the same timeline as the main series is important. In that context it makes sense to say that DBZ movie 8 doesn't count, or shouldn't count. But Broli is such a prominent figure in the DB franchise that any context which treats him and his movies as irrelevant is obviously going to be a very narrow context. Most people encounter the franchise as a huge mass of TV episodes, movies, manga volumes, video games, figures, and other products, and don't sort things by which bits do or don't fit together into a single coherent timeline of a fictional universe. For better or worse, the first 13 DBZ movies form a large part of what the franchise is in the popular consciousness, which is a definition of canon at least as valid as the one about which stuff fits into the official timeline.

[FortuneSSJ]

-His editor praise-
The way Toriyama said he was praised by his editor, I always thought part of it was just his editor being nice.
Toriyama is motived again and trying his best. His editor noticed this and was easy on him. Both are much older too. so things change.

In other hand, I still think it wasn't only that and he really saw some interesting stuff going on. But we will only know for sure when we watch the movie.
So far there isn't anything "shocking".

[Hellspawn28]

Toryiama said that he views the older DBZ movies as AU films since he said that they take place in their own dimension. It makes sense that they are AU films since they don't fit and they are never reference again in the show and manga (Expect for DBZ Movie 1 in the Garlic Jr saga). After all, Broli wipe out a whole galaxy and not once he is brought up compare to past DBZ villains. Won't South Kai in the anime thank Goku for defeating someone who took out the South Galaxy? Not to mention Vegeta or Goku would have brought up Broli when Kaioshin was talking about Buu. Vegeta would have said "Oh this Buu guy sounds like nothing since we defeated the Legendary Super Saiyan Broli a while back and he wipe out the South Galaxy".

If it's reference at least once then it happens. The 2008 Special is reference in BOG, so we know it happens. BOG is likely going to be reference in ROF since Beerus and Whis are in the film.

[Bullza]

The way Toriyama said he was praised by his editor, I always thought part of it was just his editor being nice.

Nobody should pay what the editor said any mind, as you said it would have been out of politeness and also to help sell the film. Things like this are done all the time, actors and directors will comment on how this movie is the best one yet before it comes out but then later on will say that it wasn't very good if it wasn't.

I remember James Cameron saying good things about AVP before release then slated it years later.

It means nothing.

[FortuneSSJ]

If it's reference at least once then it happens. The 2008 Special is reference in BOG, so we know it happens. BOG is likely going to be reference in ROF since Beerus and Whis are in the film.

ROF was teased in BOG, with Beerus and Whis talk about Freeza's death. You can call that good writting.
Maybe if we're lucky, we will have a tease for a next one. The way Freeza voice actor talked in the blog, seems like there will be much likely a post-credits scene.

"All you Freeza fans, please watch until the very end!
If you watch until the end, then maybe once more…"

[fadeddreams5]

If it's reference at least once then it happens. The 2008 Special is reference in BOG, so we know it happens. BOG is likely going to be reference in ROF since Beerus and Whis are in the film.

ROF was teased in BOG, with Beerus and Whis talk about Freeza's death. You can call that good writting.

I am pretty sure that was unintentional.

IIRC, Toriyama didn't even think of making a story about Frieza until he heard that F song.

[Bullza]

It makes sense that they are AU films since they don't fit and they are never reference again in the show and manga (Expect for DBZ Movie 1 in the Garlic Jr saga).

There were other instances that tied the movies to the series. Icarus from a couple of the movies was also in the Garlic Jr and Trunks saga.

Cooler from the movies also showed up in GT.

So does that mean GT takes place in this same alternate universe as the movies? And Z?

It over complicates it that way, I just see it things as being canon and non canon, you couldn't really fit everything together.

[Doctor.]

If it's reference at least once then it happens. The 2008 Special is reference in BOG, so we know it happens. BOG is likely going to be reference in ROF since Beerus and Whis are in the film.

ROF was teased in BOG, with Beerus and Whis talk about Freeza's death. You can call that good writting.

I am pretty sure that was unintentional.

IIRC, Toriyama didn't even think of making a story about Freeza until he heard that F song.

Which he heard back in 2012 iirc.

[Herms]

Nobody should pay what the editor said any mind, as you said it would have been out of politeness and also to help sell the film. Things like this are done all the time, actors and directors will comment on how this movie is the best one yet before it comes out but then later on will say that it wasn't very good if it wasn't.

Except Torishima has never, ever acted that way before. He rejected Toriyama's ideas all the time when he was Toriyama's editor, and even after he moved on to V-Jump and was no longer Toriyama's boss, he still called Toriyama up during the android arc to tell him how terrible he thought 19 and 20 were. That's the context for understanding why Toriyama brags about how Torishima of all people actually praised his movie scenario. It's no great surprise that we've got statements from Nozawa and Furukawa saying "yeah, Toriyama totally did a great job with the script!", but Torishima praising something is actually rare and noteworthy.

Heck, it'd be one thing if Torishima had released a statement saying "Toriyama really wrote a great script! See the movie!", but that hasn't happened. Torishima hasn't actually made any public statement about the movie. Instead, what we've got is Toriyama effectively saying "man, even Torishima gave me some praise! Can you believe it?!" Doesn't mean this is automatically going to be an amazing movie or that everyone will like it, but it's a different kettle of fish than the standard cast and crew comments going "hey, this upcoming movie is going to be awesome!"

[Hellspawn28]

It makes sense that they are AU films since they don't fit and they are never reference again in the show and manga (Expect for DBZ Movie 1 in the Garlic Jr saga).

There were other instances that tied the movies to the series. Icarus from a couple of the movies was also in the Garlic Jr and Trunks saga.

I always believe Icarus in the anime and movies are not the same character. They have the same design and personality but Icarus in the anime is not the same character that you saw in the DBZ movies. That's how the older DBZ movies can be view as AU films since they take place in their own world and timeline.

[DieHard]

His editor is healous because he is not milking toriyama anymore.

[dbzfan7]

Not really. Chris Ayres is bad at doing Freeza's voice... He sounds like a british polite with white dress and ice tea, FUNImation will do a better choice picking up Linda Young again, she is the perfect Freeza, her voice and everything, you can tell that she makes a even better Freeza than Nakao for sure

I keep my signature holding Chris Sabat's opinion of Linda Young as Freeza. She's does sound like someone's mom trying to do a bad guy voice. From what I heard as Genkai I thought she did fine, but she is a poor choice for Freeza.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 40#p361354

[Kakarot9001]

I keep my signature holding Chris Sabat's opinion of Linda Young as Freeza. She's does sound like someone's mom trying to do a bad guy voice. From what I heard as Genkai I thought she did fine, but she is a poor choice for Freeza.

Whatever you say man, for me Linda Young is way better than Chris Ayres