Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[NeoKING]

The name "CraneKing" makes me worry that they're crane-game toys (which means even if by a stroke of unbelievable luck there was a crane machine somewhere near me that had these in it, I probably wouldn't be able to win the game to get one and even if I did they're blind-boxes so no telling which one you'd get).

I hope that's not the case though.

Crane Games are more commonly known in Japan as UFO Catchers. So, I doubt that's a very good indicator of how these will be distributed.

These are gonna be crane game toys. That picture says so in Japanese.

[Bussani]

If that really is the case, I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, it seems a little more balanced, and gives at least a smidge more respect back to the strengths of the non-Saiyan characters. On the other hand...the Saiyans do continue to grow stronger, and not always due to a transformation, so why wouldn't their base forms be getting stronger along with that? Especially if the transformations are multipliers. Are the multiplications going up instead of what they're multiplying, or what?

They could have gotten stronger--just not fifty times stronger?

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

The programme guide:



http://ameblo.jp/yoyocom69/

[VegettoEX]

I don't think you all realize that hotlinking from that blog site doesn't work. If it does work for you, it's only because you still have the images cached in your browser from visiting the site on your own .

[enjyu123]

When will their be news concerning a new series. Probably in the upcoming chozenshuu but can you guys tell me when will there be new news on the series,if there is a series.

[VegettoEX]

If there's news of any kind, you can rest assured you'll read it -- no matter what it is -- on the home page of the website.

Right now there is absolutely no comment or even speculation from the rights-holders about something like that. I'm sure they just, for now, want to ride out the movie's success and see how things transpire from there.

[FindKenshi]

Thank Kami we can still use Beer and Whiskey for their names.. xD that is AWESOME!

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

http://crouton2.blogspot.co.nz/2013/03/30_31.html
From what I gather, it seems this movie's drawing some pretty good tickets sales; perhaps greater than Toei's initial expectations?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

[If that really is the case, I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, it seems a little more balanced, and gives at least a smidge more respect back to the strengths of the non-Saiyan characters. On the other hand...the Saiyans do continue to grow stronger, and not always due to a transformation, so why wouldn't their base forms be getting stronger along with that? Especially if the transformations are multipliers. Are the multiplications going up instead of what they're multiplying, or what?

Think about it. In Freeza arc, base Goku was 3.000.000, while Freeza was 120.000.000, meaning that Freeza was 40 times stronger than Goku. Did Goku got 40 times stronger through training with the near-death power-ups gone? There wasn't any mention about Goku getting many times stronger after the 2 years between the Freeza battle & Trunks' arrival, or after the 3 years before the appearance of the Artificial Humans, other than the usual "Super Saiyan Goku has an awesome power!". Only after he exits from the RoSaT Goku seems to have gotten an amazingly huge power up, since his half power in Super Saiyan surpassed Super Saiyan Grade 2 Vegeta (IMO at least, judging from Vegeta's reaction). And while non-raged SS Gohan was stronger than SS Goku at that time, SS2 Goku surpassed raged SS2 Gohan after 7 years, but he didn't become much stronger than that. So, I doubt base Goku become over 40 times stronger.

[Gyt Kaliba]

They could have gotten stronger--just not fifty times stronger?

It could work that way I suppose, yeah...I can work with that. I just didn't really like the idea that they no longer get any stronger at all in their base form. If that was the case, we'd never see them training in it anymore.

Think about it. In Freeza arc, base Goku was 3.000.000, while Freeza was 120.000.000, meaning that Freeza was 40 times stronger than Goku. Did Goku got 40 times stronger through training with the near-death power-ups gone? There wasn't any mention about Goku getting many times stronger after the 2 years between the Freeza battle & Trunks' arrival, or after the 3 years before the appearance of the Artificial Humans, other than the usual "Super Saiyan Goku has an awesome power!". Only after he exits from the RoSaT Goku seems to have gotten an amazingly huge power up, since his half power in Super Saiyan surpassed Super Saiyan Grade 2 Vegeta (IMO at least, judging from Vegeta's reaction). And while non-raged SS Gohan was stronger than SS Goku at that time, SS2 Goku surpassed raged SS2 Gohan after 7 years, but he didn't become much stronger than that. So, I doubt base Goku become over 40 times stronger.

That's a good argument, but like I said, I'm not much of a strength follower. I almost never look at the numbers outside of the ones actually stated in the series proper (IE with scouters), and even then I barely ever remember them. So it just seemed to me that surely Goku has gotten a lot stronger in his base form over the years, at least compared to what he was able to do at that point in the series.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That's a good argument, but like I said, I'm not much of a strength follower. I almost never look at the numbers outside of the ones actually stated in the series proper (IE with scouters), and even then I barely ever remember them. So it just seemed to me that surely Goku has gotten a lot stronger in his base form over the years, at least compared to what he was able to do at that point in the series.

I'm not saying that he didn't get a lot stronger, just not that much stronger. For example, maybe he became 10 or 20 times stronger by BoG compared to Freeza arc, which is also a huge increase.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I think SSJ God is Goku absorbing it's realm of power into his standard SSJ form. That form with red hair is basically God Goku. If the person becomes a SSJ, they can infuse it's power into their SSJ form thus becoming SSJ God.

[Chuquita]

Looking at Yoyocom's photos of the program guide; I wonder if they decided to give Goten that Detective Conan outfit before or after it was decided to have the Pilaf Gang turned into children. XD

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I think SSJ God is Goku absorbing it's realm of power into his standard SSJ form. That form with red hair is basically God Goku. If the person becomes a SSJ, they can infuse it's power into their SSJ form thus becoming SSJ God.

Goku can use part of his godly power in his base, with even more in Super Saiyan, and finally the maximum of it in Super Saiyan God (from what I understood at least)

[Herms]

I hate to be that guy, but I don't think Beers saying regular Goku couldn't beat Freeza is very definitive. He says it when Goku is just standing around, not fighting, so you can easily say Beers isn't in a position to gauge Goku's full power. See for instance Goku fighting Recoom, or Trunks' first appearance. Don't get me wrong, the line is definitely evidence that base Goku doesn't surpass Freeza (until SSG comes along, I guess), but I really don't think it's the sort of smoking gun evidence that some people think.

Anyway, I was trying to put together a thread summing up all the strength debate fodder in the movie, somewhat along the lines of the Strength Checker, so that there can be a seperate place to talk about that stuff apart from the film in general.

Goku can use part of his godly power in his base, with even more in Super Saiyan, and finally the maximum of it in Super Saiyan God (from what I understood at least)

Beers says the "absorbing into your body/not powering down much" line in regards to regular Super Saiyan Goku. Goku reverts from Super Saiyan God directly back into being a regular Super Saiyan, and only fights Beers in that form (apart from briefly becoming SSG again), so it's not clear how Goku's base form factors into all this.

[Kaboom]

Don't get me wrong, the line is definitely evidence that base Goku doesn't surpass Freeza (until SSG comes along, I guess), but I really don't think it's the sort of smoking gun evidence that some people think.

Oh yeah, it's definitely not something 100% undeniably definitive. But still, you wouldn't believe the sort of butt-hurt ranting going on here and there in light of the mere suggestion that it's the case. Or, well, actually you probably could. But still.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Merchandise makes the DB World go round:

[dbzfan7]

Taking the conversation away from power levels (omg me of all people). I have gotten more used to SSJG's look. I prefer when the hair colour is closer to red and not pink like I sometimes see. In the heroes game its closer to my liking then the artwork. Hopefully the movie moves closer to red rather then pink. Also I still think they should have called it Saiyan God, or instead of having the hairstyle match base, make it match his SSJ since that form is more connected to the SSJG power.

[Gyt Kaliba]

And once again, this is why I so very rarely even think of strength debates outside of obvious stuff (like knowing that Goku would take Mr. Satan with ease, for example) - so very little of it is extremely definite.

But yeah, like I said, I can agree that maybe base Goku never got strong enough to arguably be able to take Freeza's full power while in his base form. It was just the idea that he never got stronger at all in base, from that point forward, that didn't sit well with me.

Merchandise makes the DB World go round:

Oh wow, that one...thingie...the circular picture of SSG Goku surrounded by the others in SS form (and Videl) is really neat, considering what it's recreating.

[Chuquita]

*Is so a fan of the magenta hair.* Cyuute. *wants that coaster, or clock, or whatever it is.*
Using magenta in some merchandise and red in other merchandise satisfies both.