What's with the name censorship?

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Picollo may not keep the pun, but it doesn't have to because it is an accurate translation of the Japanese name Pikkoro.

Umm... what? Except for the fact that "Piccolo" isn't how you spell the word "Piccolo"...

This isn't even a romanization issue... it's how you spell the freakin' WORD, man!

I realise that Piccolo is the correct spelling but Piccolo is a acceptable romanization when we're taking about the Dragon Ball character.

[VegettoEX]

I realise that Piccolo is the correct spelling but Piccolo is a acceptable romanization when we're taking about the Dragon Ball character.

It's when you make posts like this that I seriously have to wonder if you purposefully go around looking for things to disagree with and make a stink about.

Do you seriously want to talk about romanizations, something you've been corrected on time and time again by multiple people? OK, then. Let's get down and dirty.

The character's name is ピッコロ. A totally direct romanization of that is, as you've noted, pikkoro. Let's break it down, though. ピ is pi -- that's pretty simple. That smaller ッ in-between syllables, though? That indicates that the next syllable's beginning is doubled/elongated, so that gives us ッコ or kko. As a pronunciation guide, a phrase I've seen a lot is "It's hot today", where you have a slight pause in your speech between "hot" and "today" with them ending/beginning with a "t" sound. Finally, we've got a simple ロ which is ro.

It's a double-"k" sound in there, which in English (and with most Latin-based alphabets and languages, me thinks? Feel free to discuss, folks), we typically represent as "cc". It's not a double-"L" sound at the end there, however, so writing it as such is misleading as best and wrong at worst.

Thus, pikkoro. And "Piccolo".

It's clearly a play on the musical instrument (based on the series of name puns for his entire crew), so it's traditionally adapted as "Piccolo" on just about everything (including Japanese merchandise). You'll see a direct romanization (pikkoro) from time to time, but that's not an issue here. You're not arguing that.

"Picollo" isn't a valid romanization. It's just a mis-spelling, and one that makes you look like you didn't get past elementary school. Like a lot of other mis-spelling filters... it's... well... filtered.

Olivier of course brought up a good point that the process at all of bringing a Japanese word in its Japanese written language over to English is "romanization", so yes... you're right... "Picollo" is technically a "romanization".

But then so would be Ollong, Frezza, and Ozzaru. Do you want to argue those, too?

[Godo]

While we are speaking about romanizations, I am curious about why Tienshinhan is incorrect?

[VegettoEX]

While we are speaking about romanizations, I am curious about why Tienshinhan is incorrect?

Because that's not what his name is.

天津飯 = tenshinhan

天 = ten
津 = shin
飯 = han

As far as I know, "Tien" is exclusively used in the FUNimation English dub. "Tien Shinhan" was randomly spouted out by dub Bulma in the first syndicated run of the show when she's looking at the picture of all the friends after Yamcha dies. FUNimation ignored this for years until they went back to dub the entirety of the first series, and for some reason decided to stick with it as his "full name" (almost as a first-and-last name, which is itself kinda "incorrect").

Now, you could go the Chinese-origin route with "tien" and its "fried rice" meaning... but he's not literally named that, and has more parts to his name (where-as "Chiaotzu" literally is named with the exact word as the food his name is a play on). As Rach has pointed out, it may be that FUNimation had someone with some Chinese familiarity on staff early on, and they injected some of this into random namings.

And you could further say that, hey... everyone uses the Chinese reading of the little white dude he hangs out with, so why not a Chinese version of what his name is? That's fine, and all, but people actually called him "Tenshinhan". It seems, for him at least, to be Japanese through-and-through.

[Godo]

Ok, I wondered since they call him Tienshinhan in the Swedish translation if I recall correct.
So I guess the translators went with the Chinese-ricey thingy then!
There are actually some minor errors in the Swedish translation, but I blame it on them actually using the German version sometimes for reference.

[Adamant]

Ok, I wondered since they call him Tienshinhan in the Swedish translation if I recall correct.

Really? Odd, he was Tenshinhan in both Norway and Denmark.

[Timo]

Ok, I wondered since they call him Tienshinhan in the Swedish translation if I recall correct.
So I guess the translators went with the Chinese-ricey thingy then!
There are actually some minor errors in the Swedish translation, but I blame it on them actually using the German version sometimes for reference.

Which is okay, because the German version of the Manga is full of mistakes. BUT Tienshinhan isn't one of them. We got Tenshinhan.

[Godo]

Haha, then I guess I didn't remember it right after all!

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I realise that Piccolo is the correct spelling but Piccolo is a acceptable romanization when we're taking about the Dragon Ball character.

It's when you make posts like this that I seriously have to wonder if you purposefully go around looking for things to disagree with and make a stink about.

Do you seriously want to talk about romanizations, something you've been corrected on time and time again by multiple people? OK, then. Let's get down and dirty.

The character's name is ピッコロ. A totally direct romanization of that is, as you've noted, pikkoro. Let's break it down, though. ピ is pi -- that's pretty simple. That smaller ッ in-between syllables, though? That indicates that the next syllable's beginning is doubled/elongated, so that gives us ッコ or kko. As a pronunciation guide, a phrase I've seen a lot is "It's hot today", where you have a slight pause in your speech between "hot" and "today" with them ending/beginning with a "t" sound. Finally, we've got a simple ロ which is ro.

It's a double-"k" sound in there, which in English (and with most Latin-based alphabets and languages, me thinks? Feel free to discuss, folks), we typically represent as "cc". It's not a double-"L" sound at the end there, however, so writing it as such is misleading as best and wrong at worst.

Thus, pikkoro. And "Piccolo".

It's clearly a play on the musical instrument (based on the series of name puns for his entire crew), so it's traditionally adapted as "Piccolo" on just about everything (including Japanese merchandise). You'll see a direct romanization (pikkoro) from time to time, but that's not an issue here. You're not arguing that.

"Picollo" isn't a valid romanization. It's just a mis-spelling, and one that makes you look like you didn't get past elementary school. Like a lot of other mis-spelling filters... it's... well... filtered.

Olivier of course brought up a good point that the process at all of bringing a Japanese word in its Japanese written language over to English is "romanization", so yes... you're right... "Picollo" is technically a "romanization".

But then so would be Ollong, Frezza, and Ozzaru. Do you want to argue those, too?

Fair enough Michael.

Can I ask you why you've filtered Gokou? I thought "ou" was the same as "uu".

[Taku128]

I realise that Piccolo is the correct spelling but Piccolo is a acceptable romanization when we're taking about the Dragon Ball character.

It's when you make posts like this that I seriously have to wonder if you purposefully go around looking for things to disagree with and make a stink about.

Do you seriously want to talk about romanizations, something you've been corrected on time and time again by multiple people? OK, then. Let's get down and dirty.

The character's name is ピッコロ. A totally direct romanization of that is, as you've noted, pikkoro. Let's break it down, though. ピ is pi -- that's pretty simple. That smaller ッ in-between syllables, though? That indicates that the next syllable's beginning is doubled/elongated, so that gives us ッコ or kko. As a pronunciation guide, a phrase I've seen a lot is "It's hot today", where you have a slight pause in your speech between "hot" and "today" with them ending/beginning with a "t" sound. Finally, we've got a simple ロ which is ro.

It's a double-"k" sound in there, which in English (and with most Latin-based alphabets and languages, me thinks? Feel free to discuss, folks), we typically represent as "cc". It's not a double-"L" sound at the end there, however, so writing it as such is misleading as best and wrong at worst.

Thus, pikkoro. And "Piccolo".

It's clearly a play on the musical instrument (based on the series of name puns for his entire crew), so it's traditionally adapted as "Piccolo" on just about everything (including Japanese merchandise). You'll see a direct romanization (pikkoro) from time to time, but that's not an issue here. You're not arguing that.

"Picollo" isn't a valid romanization. It's just a mis-spelling, and one that makes you look like you didn't get past elementary school. Like a lot of other mis-spelling filters... it's... well... filtered.

Olivier of course brought up a good point that the process at all of bringing a Japanese word in its Japanese written language over to English is "romanization", so yes... you're right... "Picollo" is technically a "romanization".

But then so would be Ollong, Frezza, and Ozzaru. Do you want to argue those, too?

Fair enough Michael.

Can I ask you why you've filtered Gokou? I thought "ou" was the same as "uu".

The "ou" in Gokou would be pronounced roughly the same as the o in Goku. It's pretty obvious to anyone whose seen an episode of the series that that's not how Goku is pronounced.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

The "ou" in Goku would be pronounced roughly the same as the o in Goku. It's pretty obvious to anyone whose seen an episode of the series that that's not how Goku is pronounced.

So Gokou would be pronounced as Goko?

[Bussani]

So Gokou would be pronounced as Goko?

Indeed. I'm not sure why the spelling persists on Japanese merchandise so much. Even the new Bandai models use it.

Shrug〜

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

So Gokou would be pronounced as Goko?

Indeed. I'm not sure why the spelling persists on Japanese merchandise so much. Even the new Bandai models use it.

Shrug〜

Yeah, my Dragon Ball DX figure uses Son Gokou.

[Hujio]

So Gokou would be pronounced as Goko?

Indeed. I'm not sure why the spelling persists on Japanese merchandise so much. Even the new Bandai models use it.

Shrug〜

Yeah, my Dragon Ball DX figure uses Son Gokou.

Even in the latest Kai Dragon Book they spell it Gokou, for some reason. It's like they think "kou" is pronounced the same as "kuu". Oh well...

[linkdude20002001]

The "ou" in Goku would be pronounced roughly the same as the o in Goku. It's pretty obvious to anyone whose seen an episode of the series that that's not how Goku is pronounced.

So Gokou would be pronounced as Goko?

No. The ou in Gokou is pronounced like the ou in you and caribou. People tend to pronounce it like it's Japanese, but that's not how it was intended. Saying "goh-goh" is like pronouncing Krillin "kreel-leen".

[jjgp1112]

To be completely unambiguous and direct...

Is anyone upset with the Freeza filter anything other than a FUNimation dub loyalist that just wants to stick it to "the man"...?

I mean... seriously? Didn't you have any clue what you were getting into when you visited the website? This is not a FUNimation fansite. Stop expecting us to play nice.

Y'know, there's a difference between emphasizing a certain viewpoint and FORCING it on people. And putting word filters sure does lean towards the latter.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

To be completely unambiguous and direct...

Is anyone upset with the Freeza filter anything other than a FUNimation dub loyalist that just wants to stick it to "the man"...?

I mean... seriously? Didn't you have any clue what you were getting into when you visited the website? This is not a FUNimation fansite. Stop expecting us to play nice.

Y'know, there's a difference between emphasizing a certain viewpoint and FORCING it on people. And putting word filters sure does lean towards the latter.

Yeah. He could easily just take out the word filters and ask the people on this forum to spell it the way he prefers, not forcing them to spell it the way he prefers.

[VegettoEX]

The two of you (jjgp1112 & Piccolo Daimaoh) are still not doing anything other than the same old tired complaining. Yes, we "force" you to do certain things -- you're simply stating reality, as if that's somehow a problem for the majority of the community (which it clearly isn't). What about it? You don't like it? Yeah. We get it. You keep saying that. You haven't presented a single persuasive bit of reasoning to the community (who, I have to remind you, requested many if not most of these filters) why they should not exist.

Simply "letting" people use inconsistent and nonsensical spellings that originate from one particular "reversioning" of the show does not aid clarity, it does not educate, and does not make Daizenshuu EX (its website and its community) what it is -- for better or worse in your mind. If you want to read and type that stuff, you have plenty of other outlets for it. We are not your FUNimation Fan Club Board, we are not your AB Groupe Fanclub Board...

[Xyex]

If you want to read and type that stuff, you have plenty of other outlets for it. We are not your FUNimation Fan Club Board, we are not your AB Groupe Fanclub Board...

You know, I just have point out that this is a somewhat hypocritical comment to make, considering everyone going on about wanting an accurate dub that's more faithful to the Japanese version. The dub isn't the Japanese version and you have plenty of other outlets for that.

[VegettoEX]

If you want to read and type that stuff, you have plenty of other outlets for it. We are not your FUNimation Fan Club Board, we are not your AB Groupe Fanclub Board...

You know, I just have point out that this is a somewhat hypocritical comment to make, considering everyone going on about wanting an accurate dub that's more faithful to the Japanese version. The dub isn't the Japanese version and you have plenty of other outlets for that.

We all revel in our hypocrisy. I've noted that before in this thread with some people wanting some filters but not others, all for varying reasons based in both logic and pure imagination. There's no self-consistency. Once you come to grips with that, all is cool...!

Anyway, an English dub that's faithful to the original Japanese version is still fulfilling the mission we're talking about -- it sticks to the version that we are based around, and creates a conversation where everyone's already on the same page.

And based on what I'm hearing about that new dub, it's more of the same page than some of us would have imagined. Shit, man.