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[dbgtFO]

IMO only SSJ 3 tier power can be sensed from the lower realm to the Kaioshin Kai, since that's what Kaioshin and Kibito go out of their way to heavily imply.

Every power can be sensed from the Kaioshin Realm. Goku could have sensed Krillin's ki if he wanted to.

Based on what?

After all Kaioshin sensed that everybody on Earth has been killed by Buu.

Kaioshin is the highest God and has Godly vision. It makes sense, if he knows when the population of a random planet is wiped out. Also he didn't mention anything at all about sensing their ki to reach the conclusion, that they had been killed.

Goku was trying to sense Gotenks' ki and he couldn't. Kaioshin on the contrary wasn't trying to sense anything and he still sensed Super Saiyan 3 Goku's power. Just like Goku sensed a change in Buu's ki even when no looking for him.

Only Super Saiyan 3 Goku, Evil Buu and Gohan powers actually reached the Kaioshin Realm.

Kibito's surprise about SSJ 3 Gku's power reaching Kaioshin Kai seems to imply that none other than SSJ 3 tier power can be sensed from the lower realm to the Kaioshin Kai.

Yeah, there's a difference between simply observing a single or multiple Ki, and a Ki being so large that it actually grabs your attention. SSj3 Goku and Super Boo were the in-story examples of the latter.

Gohan was also, since it was stated by Super Buu.
I still believe only SSJ 3 tier power can be sensed all the way from the lower realm to Kaioshin Kai, since it would be pretty ridiculous if all you had to do was to concentrate to sense the powers of someone in the lower realm.

[Senzu_Bean]

There is a clearly difference between sensing ki and ki reaching someplace. And there isn't such thing as "Godly vision". What make possible the characters "see" what is going on the lower worlds are the places where such characters are, not the characters themselves.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

There is a clearly difference between sensing ki and ki reaching someplace. And there isn't such thing as "Godly vision". What make possible the characters "see" what is going on the lower worlds are the places where such characters are, not the characters themselves.

Explain that to the Elder Kaioshin who said he can see all the pretty girls he wants with his godly vision, thats why physically...um, meeting...Bulma was to be such a big deal.

[jackjack]

Although Goku states SSJ Gotenks(pre RoSAT) will become stronger than him, it's never actually confirmed, that he was stronger than SSJ 3 Goku let alone his equal. I agree that Goku is a very reliable character, but I can't just take a guess as fact, when noone actually confirmed it once the fusion turned out to be a success.

I wasn't even comparing Gotenks to Goku, man.

[dbgtFO]

Although Goku states SSJ Gotenks(pre RoSAT) will become stronger than him, it's never actually confirmed, that he was stronger than SSJ 3 Goku let alone his equal. I agree that Goku is a very reliable character, but I can't just take a guess as fact, when noone actually confirmed it once the fusion turned out to be a success.

I wasn't even comparing Gotenks to Goku, man.

Then what do you mean with this?

By "my interpretation," you mean the words from Goku and Piccolo, two of the most reliable characters?

[p123]

Buuhan > Buutenks > Buff > Super >>>>>>>> Kid > Fat > Evil > Good


Super demolishes Kid with ease obviously.

[dbgtFO]

Super >>>>>>>> Kid
Super demolishes Kid with ease obviously.

Sure! That's why these two comments make sooooo much sense :

Chapter: 517 (DBZ 323), P4.6
Context: as Satan wants them to spare good Boo
Vegeta: “…Don’t you get it!? What do you intend to do if he gives birth to the terrible Boo again!? This time for sure it might really mean the end of the world! It’s best to kill him now. Got that, you idiot?!”

Why would it possibly be the end of the world, if Gohan was that much stronger than Goku and could just own Pure Boo like nothing???

Chapter: 517 (DBZ 323), P5.4-5
Context: after Goku tells Dende to heal good Boo
Goku: “Well, it’s alright, ain’t it Vegeta? This Boo and Mister Satan both did well. If these two hadn’t been here, then we and everyone else would have been done in. Right?…And if worse comes to worse, we can just fight again. Let’s train so that this time for sure we won’t lose even if we go one-on-one.”

Why would everyone else had been done in, if Gohan could just be easily wished back, transported there* and destroy Pure Boo with ease??
*The first thing Goku thought Vegeta was going to do, when all the dead ones had been revived.

I'd like to see your answer, hell I'd like to see what everyone else, who participates in these strength debates have to say about it! Try to be as convincing as possible!

Inb4 Toriyama doesn't give a Fuck about transformations boost, when telling his story. It's for the most part: "Characters are as strong, as I want them."

[p123]

DBGTFO,

What's the difference between SSJ Gotenks and SSJ Goku? That's the answer. We can even go the Pre Rosat route if it makes you happy...


SSJ Gotenks Pre Rosat vs SSJ Goku....


The difference between SSJ3 Gotenks and SSJ3 Goku should be the same as the difference between SSJ Gotenks and SSJ Goku...

[Rocketman]

Why would it possibly be the end of the world, if Gohan was that much stronger than Goku and could just own Pure Boo like nothing???

Kid Buu doesn't care about fighting. He'd blow the planet up as soon as he was reborn, before Gohan could get there.

Why would everyone else had been done in, if Gohan could just be easily wished back, transported there* and destroy Pure Boo with ease??

Because the ending had to fellate ~GOKU~.

[sbk]

Because the ending had to fellate ~GOKU~.

!!

[dbgtFO]

DBGTFO,
What's the difference between SSJ Gotenks and SSJ Goku? That's the answer. We can even go the Pre Rosat route if it makes you happy...
SSJ Gotenks Pre Rosat vs SSJ Goku....
The difference between SSJ3 Gotenks and SSJ3 Goku should be the same as the difference between SSJ Gotenks and SSJ Goku...

I don't see why any of that matters, when Toriyama doesn't write his story with transformation boosts in his mind. As I said before he makes them as strong, as he wants them to be, without thinking about how forms correlate. For example SSJ Goku in the Buu Arc wasn't stated, as being any stronger, than what he was 7 years before that, but his SSJ 2 is stronger, than SSJ 2 Cell Games Gohan, which in turn would make Goku's SSJ 2 boost greater than SEG's 2 times boost.

Why would it possibly be the end of the world, if Gohan was that much stronger than Goku and could just own Pure Boo like nothing???

Kid Buu doesn't care about fighting. He'd blow the planet up as soon as he was reborn, before Gohan could get there.

Well he did want to fight Goku and Vegeta after "greeting" them, but you do have a point.

Why would everyone else had been done in, if Gohan could just be easily wished back, transported there* and destroy Pure Boo with ease??

Because the ending had to fellate ~GOKU~.

I guess there's no comeback to that

[Kid Buu]

Super Buu is stronger....

...but Kid Buu killed Mystic Gohan who beat up Super Buu, so Kid Buu FTW. >______>

[hleV]

Super Buu is stronger....

...but Kid Buu killed Mystic Gohan who beat up Super Buu, so Kid Buu FTW. >______>

Killing someone when they're asleep/unconscious ain't FTW.

[Fox666]

He blow up the planet. Even Freeza would have killed Mystic Gohan...

[jackjack]

Then what do you mean with this?

Go back and read?

Why would it possibly be the end of the world, if Gohan was that much stronger than Goku and could just own Pure Boo like nothing???

If you were to argue that it had anything to with Gohan, then what about Vegetto?

Why would everyone else had been done in, if Gohan could just be easily wished back, transported there* and destroy Pure Boo with ease??

But then why would Goku think bringing Gohan would work?

[dbgtFO]

Then what do you mean with this?

Go back and read?

Answer the question without asking me a question.

Why would it possibly be the end of the world, if Gohan was that much stronger than Goku and could just own Pure Boo like nothing???

If you were to argue that it had anything to with Gohan, then what about Vegetto?

It's: "to do with"
Answer:
All Potara Earrings are broken.

Why would everyone else had been done in, if Gohan could just be easily wished back, transported there* and destroy Pure Boo with ease??

But then why would Goku think bringing Gohan would work?

Assuming you mean this:

Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P7.4
Context: after Vegeta has the Earth brought back with the dragonballs
Goku: “Oh, I know! You’ll bring Gohan and Gotenks back to life so they can fight.”
Vegeta: “No.”

Nothing saying that it would work. If this isn't what you were referring to, then please post the quote/implication whatever.

[Nazi Cola]

Why would Goku want Gohan and the kids to come if he knew they couldn't do it? He'd just be asking for another absorption incident.

[dbgtFO]

Why would Goku want Gohan and the kids to come if he knew they couldn't do it? He'd just be asking for another absorption incident.

Goku didn't say he wanted them to come. He just said, that was Vegeta's plan.
And again, if that wasn't what jackjack was referring to, then he should post it in his next post.

[Rocketman]

The end of the Kid Buu fight is completely contrived.

-retarded shonen bullshit funneled through ~GOKU~

OR

-three ways to win with no effort or stress (Gotenks, Gohan, Gogeta)

[Kid Buu]

Super Buu is stronger....

...but Kid Buu killed Mystic Gohan who beat up Super Buu, so Kid Buu FTW. >______>

Killing someone when they're asleep/unconscious ain't FTW.

Of course it is. Kid Buu was smart enough to kill off his superiors when he had the opportunity, unlike the other villains who merely go into a tantrum when they meet their superior in strength "BUT I'M THE STRONGEST IN THE UNIVERSE!"

Plus, let's not forget Kid Buu actually got in a good hit against Mr. Satan (2nd strongest DBZ character besides Vegetto), where as Super Buu was too much of a coward to even attack him.

By the way, don't take this post seriously.