The general American fanbase really annoys me.

[Beji]

Positive changes, such as?

The little things especially if you've watched in Japanese before

The last scene in movie 7.

I'm not positive but was the "Waaaves and Rooocks" in the original Japanese DUB?

If I went and watched the Dub again I could probably find some more. But those are 2 offhand

[ABED]

No, waves and rocks wasn't in the original.

The "not until the fish jumps" is funny, but more of an outtake than something that should be in the movie. However, I'm willing to let that go since it's a movie and not the original work.

THere's only one change that I can think of that the dub made that I think is appropriate and it's in movie 8. In the original, I think Roshi yells to Kuririn, "your the best singer in all of Japan!" but Japan doesn't exist in the Dragon Ball universe, and the line isn't present in the dub. I also would've accepted if the dub didn't include Namek blowing up in 5 minutes, but unfortunately they kept that in.

[Zephyr]

The entirety of the Cell Games reenactment movie during the Buu arc is better in the dub. To me, at least.

[penguintruth]

"Rocks and waves" isn't funny because the real joke comes from it being the thing you see in front of a lot of the DBZ movies. Saying what it is just makes it too on the nose.

I enjoy the english dub, and even think Kai's dub is better than the japanese version.

Let's not get carried away. Some of the English cast is fine now, but Nozawa is still Nozawa, Tanaka is still Tanaka, and Wakamoto is... still better than Clarke, at least, even if he is too exaggerated in his performances now.

[Rocketman]

Funi fixed the Warp Kamehameha plothole, so there's that. :P

Nozawa is still Nozawa

I thought you were arguing in favor of the sub.

[shonenhikada]

Funi fixed the Warp Kamehameha plothole, so there's that.

Nozawa is still Nozawa

I thought you were arguing in favor of the sub.

Why you hate people who have differing views from you ?

[Pretorious]

I really don't care what the Youtube community says. I think a lot of the commenters on there are angry young kids that just haven't grown up yet.

Anyway, since you guys are talking about improvements that FUNi made in the English version, here's a huge one: They cut out Kuririn's homophobic line in the fight with General Blue. If you haven't seen it, General Blue actually is gay and Kuririn calls him a "flaming homo." Apparently it is supposed to be funny. I just watched this scene for the first time two days ago and it really bummed me out. At first I saw it in Japanese and was really upset. Then I tried switching to English and was a little relieved that they cleaned it up. I know that DB is a really low-brow comedy with booby and pee pee jokes, but homophobic slurs (particularly coming from a "hero" character) are...well, really disturbing to me. I don't care if it is "just how the culture was back then" or what. If Goku has said this, I don't think I could watch the show anymore, though I know that would be wildly out of character. I will just have to chalk it up to Kuririn being homophobic. And Goku making friends with dubious characters. Which he does all the time.

Eh. This is a topic in itself, but I didn't know if I wanted to start such a thread because I was afraid of opening up a big can o' worms.

[ABED]

Don't get me wrong, I love Nozawa, but her Goku voice hasn't improved with age. She'll always be Goku to me, but I enjoy the dub of Kai more than the sub.

Maybe it's simply that the scripts were great and the acting vastly improved with the dub, whereas with the sub, I remember what it sounded like in Z and often times the Japanese actors fall short of their previous performance.

I don't like Kuririn's homophobic comment either, but that doesn't make him dubious at his core. Plus, I think it needs to be viewed in the context of its time. It doesn't excuse the homophobia, but I don't know if Toriyama would've written that line 30 years later. If you watch the Bond films of the 70s and 60s, you'll see different attitudes towards women and race.

[TheBlackPaladin]

I enjoy the english dub, and even think Kai's dub is better than the japanese version.

I agree. There's a noticeable lack of enthusiasm among the Japanese voice actors in Kai, which I attribute to the fact that doing the exact same thing again probably bored the living you-know-what out of them. Which is not to say they're bad by any means, and some of the Japanese voice actors are missing their enthusiasm more than others, but that enthusiasm and liveliness that they had in DBZ just doesn't seem to be there. Conversely, the English dub actors seem to be very excited at the prospect of doing a proper dub this time around, and it translated into their performances.

[hleV]

I only have a problem with those sort of people who look down on those preferring the original.

[ABED]

I only have a problem with those sort of people who look down on those preferring the original.

I know we're supposed to be tolerant, but I do kinda look down on those that like or even prefer the English dub scripts compared to Kai's dub scripts or the original. I can't fathom why anyone would enjoy being talked down to.

[B]

I won't say it annoys me, but it is interesting with all the new Battle of Gods clips, a fandub version using soundbytes from the games and the dub will pop up within hours of the original clips' release. It says something that the fandom is so vehemently against the idea that Dragon Ball is a Japanese product. And it doesn't entirely have to do with whether or not the dub is accurate or not; the characters can seemingly say whatever they want, but they better say it English lest the people riot. Which I suppose makes the dub's inaccuracies and misinformation all the more frustrating because the target audience couldn't care less, so they might as well have done it right to begin with.

[kei17]

I won't say it annoys me, but it is interesting with all the new Battle of Gods clips, a fandub version using soundbytes from the games and the dub will pop up within hours of the original clips' release. It says something that the fandom is so vehemently against the idea that Dragon Ball is a Japanese product.

I too find this interesting. They seem to love americanizing DB to suit it to their taste buds. The series that they love is hardcore DeeeBeeZeee that FUNi made over a decade ago and aired on Toonami instead of Dragon Ball that was made in Japan.

[linkdude20002001]

I won't say it annoys me, but it is interesting with all the new Battle of Gods clips, a fandub version using soundbytes from the games and the dub will pop up within hours of the original clips' release. It says something that the fandom is so vehemently against the idea that Dragon Ball is a Japanese product. And it doesn't entirely have to do with whether or not the dub is accurate or not; the characters can seemingly say whatever they want, but they better say it English lest the people riot. Which I suppose makes the dub's inaccuracies and misinformation all the more frustrating because the target audience couldn't care less, so they might as well have done it right to begin with.

This is something that has always confused me and bothered me. It just... I makes me want to slap the internet. Hahaha.

[TheBlackPaladin]

I won't say it annoys me, but it is interesting with all the new Battle of Gods clips, a fandub version using soundbytes from the games and the dub will pop up within hours of the original clips' release. It says something that the fandom is so vehemently against the idea that Dragon Ball is a Japanese product.

I too find this interesting. They seem to love americanizing DB to suit it to their taste buds. The series that they love is hardcore DeeeBeeZeee that FUNi made over a decade ago and aired on Toonami instead of Dragon Ball that was made in Japan.

Again, though, I still don't understand how this is a problem. I don't get how people find it problematic that other people enjoy a different version of something than what they enjoyed. This goes both ways, of course...I don't understand why people who prefer FUNimation's "reversioning" of DBZ find it problematic that other people enjoy the original Japanese version, and I don't understand why people who prefer the original Japanese version find it problematic that other people prefer FUNimation's "reversioning" (hmm, lengthy sentence...try to say that five times fast).

The only thing I've ever found annoying is when people look down on others for enjoying something different than what they enjoyed. Can't we all just get along? Even if "getting along" entails going our separate ways?

And again, let's be honest...even if the entirety of all three animes were dubbed with the loyalty and care seen in the three uncut Ocean/Pioneer movies, there would still be people who say that the dub "ruined" DBZ by virtue of the fact that the show is not being shown in its original language. The "divide in fandom" may not have been as big, but it was still going to exist, because there's no such thing as a universally-loved dub.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Again, though, I still don't understand how this is a problem. I don't get how people find it problematic that other people enjoy a different version of something than what they enjoyed. This goes both ways, of course...I don't understand why people who prefer FUNimation's "reversioning" of DBZ find it problematic that other people enjoy the original Japanese version, and I don't understand why people who prefer the original Japanese version find it problematic that other people prefer FUNimation's "reversioning" (hmm, lengthy sentence...try to say that five times fast).

The only thing I've ever found annoying is when people look down on others for enjoying something different than what they enjoyed. Can't we all just get along? Even if "getting along" entails going our separate ways?

This, this, and THIS. I've been staying out of this thread (posting-wise anyway, I have been reading along though) because I didn't feel I could find a way to express my own opinion on this very well, but I think you just summed it up pretty nicely for me. It saddens me that there are still people who are going to look down on someone for preferring a certain version of the show over another, this goes both ways. It's even more disheartening to see that there are those who will completely disavow someone's right to their opinion even if they prefer one version but still tolerate the other.

It seems irrelevant to me too to complain about it when that preference reaches into fan-made material as well. Of course it's going to do that, why should a fan that likes the dub's score be expected to use Japanese music in a fan dub clip? Are they supposed to use the original music that they don't like (for whatever reason) just to pacify other internet goers? It's just something they did for fun, that's probably (and should be) the furthest thing from their minds. Now, if they're planning on doing a major scale fan work, something like Abridged has done, or something, then yes, they should consider what demographic of the fandom they're going for alongside what version they prefer. Just a short little clip though, it's entirely up to them.

I can agree that a lot of the US fanbase can be annoying. Dear god, can I agree. I run into fans all the time on forums or Youtube that make me ashamed almost that I come from a dub DBZ background originally, because I know that's how some other members of the fandom are going to look at me when they hear that. But then I also run into some sub arguments that almost make me ashamed that I've come to that side of the fandom too. It'd be really nice if the two sides could just co-exist side-by-side and respect each others opinions at least in-so-far as not dismissing them as 'wrong' just because it's different...but that's probably never gonna happen.

[kei17]

Don't get me wrong. I never look down on dub fans just for preferring the dubs. No matter which versions they like, I accept their opinions in so far as they have understandings toward the original version and the author. It's those who treat educated fans as puristic weeaboos or something I can't stand. They love something very different.

[samuraix123]

Don't get me wrong. I never look down on dub fans just for preferring the dubs. No matter which versions they like, I accept their opinions in so far as they have understandings toward the original version and the author. It's those who treat educated fans as puristic weeaboos or something I can't stand. They love something very different.

Yeah I have a friend who only watches the Dub and I've been trying to show her this new movie and she just flat out will not watch it because it's in Japanese and it really aggravates me. as a dub fan I can say with a straight face ''There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Japanese version!'' I've watched it enough to know. and another thing that aggravates me is she'll say ''Well those movies that's released in Japanese don't exist in the Dragonball universe here'' and I'm just blown away at the stupidity.

[ABED]

I think it's perfectly fine to prefer a dub, but in the case of DBZ, it was mangled. I don't think what FUNi did was a valid artistic choice. They changed what the characters said often times COMPLETELY. Bardock wasn't a brilliant scientist nor was he in league with Freeza's men when he made his final attempt on Freeza. Dubs should not be making changes like that. If you're fan of that version, just realize it's not how the story really happened.

If those changes weren't made, I have a hard time believing the same fans wouldn't have been fans anyway.

There would always be a schism just due to it being dubbed, but that group that bitched about it would be so small and could hardly be classified as "the general american fanbase".

[Gyt Kaliba]

Don't get me wrong. I never look down on dub fans just for preferring the dubs. No matter which versions they like, I accept their opinions in so far as they have understandings toward the original version and the author. It's those who treat educated fans as puristic weeaboos or something I can't stand. They love something very different.

Yeah, those kinds of fans are going to be annoying regardless. I treat it as a given that, if I'm watching a dub of a show and I'm talking to someone really familiar with the Japanese version, then there's a good chance they may know something about the show that I do not. It's not always the case, but it's a really safe assumption. It's arrogance more than it is a dub preference that has some fans acting that way I'd think.

I think it's perfectly fine to prefer a dub, but in the case of DBZ, it was mangled. I don't think what FUNi did was a valid artistic choice. They changed what the characters said often times COMPLETELY. Bardock wasn't a brilliant scientist nor was he in league with Freeza's men when he made his final attempt on Freeza. Dubs should not be making changes like that. If you're fan of that version, just realize it's not how the story really happened.

If those changes weren't made, I have a hard time believing the same fans wouldn't have been fans anyway.

Mangled or no, it was within their rights as the English purchaser of the rights to the show to make those decisions, especially since (I would presume anyway) that Toei had to sign off on them (granted they probably just went 'Yeah, sure, whatever, just make us money' rather than really reviewing the changes at large). Was what resulted from those changes a pretty shoddy product overall? Definitely. But if someone still enjoys the old version of DBZ that way, they're well within their rights to. That's all I'm trying to express here, is that Dragon Ball, as good as it is, isn't some kind of holy, perfect story that if anything is changed, nobody is allowed to like that changed version. That's not how it works, people like what they like.

Or to put it another way, I'm pretty mystified as to how someone could like some of Freeza's dialogue in season 3 such as 'Ride em cowboy' (Ugh *shudders*), since a lot of that bothered me even when I was a young, dub-only fan seeing it for the first time. But if that's what a person likes, then I support their right to like it for whatever reason.