So MLP Just Went DBZ....

[ABED]

On topic, its always nice to see a nod to DB in other tv series, just shows how popular DB still is.

Off topic, as a grown man who likes The Power Puff Girls, I see nothing wrong with grown men liking MLP. BUT, saying MLP has better anything than DB might be an overstatement.

I don't recall PPG's being targeted at young girls, honestly.

[TheGmGoken]

On topic, its always nice to see a nod to DB in other tv series, just shows how popular DB still is.

Off topic, as a grown man who likes The Power Puff Girls, I see nothing wrong with grown men liking MLP. BUT, saying MLP has better anything than DB might be an overstatement.

I don't recall PPG's being targeted at young girls, honestly.

People tend to think female lead roles or characters mean girl show

[ABED]

Well, then Buffy would fall under that category as well if that was the case.

[Chuquita]

I meant and said it was the writing style, not the gender of the main characters. I can't recall the creator's name, but the way it's written reminds me of her earlier work on ppg. Please don't answer for me.

[TheGmGoken]

Please don't answer for me.

Huh?

[DonZ]

I don't know how can someone say this -decent- fight is better than all of DBZ fights. it's better than Goku vs Vegeta (first fight) ? it's better than Goku vs Cell ? it's better than Piccolo vs #17 ? i know it's all matter of opinions.. but damn!

[qjz123]

I don't know how can someone say this -decent- fight is better than all of DBZ fights. it's better than Goku vs Vegeta (first fight) ? it's better than Goku vs Cell ? it's better than Piccolo vs #17 ? i know it's all matter of opinions.. but damn!

It's an agenda driven opinion.

[SHINOBI-03]

A My Little Pony discussion on Kanzenshuu of all places? All right then, *ehem*

Hello, my name is SHINOBI-03 and I'm a fan of My Little Pony since 2012. I like the show and adore the characters (favorite pony is Twilight) and it's my second favorite western animated show right after Avatar: Tha Last Airbender and I enjoy it as much as any anime I watch.

Not gonna waste my time telling why you should watch the show or why I like it (but it is good and well written), but on topic: I thought the fight with Tirak was so epic even for this show which had its share of epic fights and villains. But this one was on a different level with more destruction on more things on stake, although I didn't see it as a DBZ fight, but more like a Nanoha fight.

[ErikB]

I meant and said it was the writing style, not the gender of the main characters. I can't recall the creator's name, but the way it's written reminds me of her earlier work on ppg. Please don't answer for me.

Incidentally the name you're looking for is Lauren Faust. Her husband Craig McCracken was the executive producer of PPG and Foster's (among others), and she worked on both shows along with him; she was the producer for the first season of MLP.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Off topic, as a grown man who likes The Power Puff Girls, I see nothing wrong with grown men liking MLP. BUT, saying MLP has better anything than DB might be an overstatement.

Being a grown man is just a fact of being, not a label so it shouldnt matter. How people play into their obession for it is what makes it the issue. There are a lot of MLP fans who use it as a cover for their closet-pedophile interests and actions, being a creep about the show is what I fault the fanbase for.

However on topic: I do not think any show copying or parodying DBZ can do anything better than it if its copying what it did first. It just doesnt seem logical. Though to even suggest it being "better" is just baiting. MLP is fine for what it is but it isnt definitive for everything compared to it. DBZ is DBZ.

Yeesh. Just yeesh.
Women have spent the entire last century expanding their roles and breaking down the walls for themselves in the gender divide while men just hold up this ridiculous masculine ideal and remain committed to just stagnate and remain less diverse than their female counterparts just because they're so very afraid of being judged. How very manly.

Woman's rights hyopcrisy is already broken enough on youtube/twitter and society alone. Don't need it here.

I'll just leave this here.

C'mon. As if the constant Touhou X DBZ crossovers wasnt annoying enough..

Why is this becoming a Mlp vs DBZ topic. Its to look at DB homages in that fight. Not even the topic creator is on topics.I'm a MLP fan as well. But it ranks 674 in my cartoon-anime list. That fight made me change it from 845. Kinda cool. Wasn't on par with Db but pretty decent I guess. Got bored of it though after the first minute.Also Abed there is nothing wrong with being a MLP fan, I'm one,

I didnt care for the clip, it was nothing but a shallow westernized generalization of the show speculated on bias conclusions. Nothing but explosions and yelling. To American TV, thats DBZ - to me thats ignorance.

It was just a beam spamfest with no strategy or rhyme.

How is that any different from *Vegeta's* fights?

Corrected.
Answer = Nothing.

I prefered the homage done in Powerpuff Girls when Blossum Fought Princess reminecent of Goku fighting Freeza which I thought was actually a closer comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNBHf8abgiI
Princess - Freeza Final form
Bubbles - Piccolo/Gohan
Buttercup - Vegeta
Blossum - SSJ Goku.

On topic, its always nice to see a nod to DB in other tv series, just shows how popular DB still is.
Off topic, as a grown man who likes The Power Puff Girls, I see nothing wrong with grown men liking MLP. BUT, saying MLP has better anything than DB might be an overstatement.

I don't recall PPG's being targeted at young girls, honestly.

It never was when called "Whoop-Ass-Stew" it was supposed to be an ironic show of cute-little girls brutally beating up giant, ugly masculine monsters (or lolicon today) playing on a nursery Rhyme. The show was never made to be a girls show exclusively, the title was just changed for obvious reasons and to further emphasize the theme of the show's concept. Nothing was really girly about the show at all, nothing the girls did from my perspective was stereotypical of girls really. They didnt play with dolls (Octie was a plush toy) nor did they talk about hair, nails, panties, boyfriends or whatever prepubecent girls talk about. The show was usually centered around their lives as the crime fighting team and their family dynamics. Which I think deserves more praise than it recieved for that very neutral focus.

[Zestanor]

Well that would depend on one's definition of maturity, doesn't it? Personally I feel absolutely no qualms about saying that, at least sometimes, FiM is a fairly mature series. Because to me it's entirely possible to be aimed at children and still be mature. "Maturity" does not equate just "containing stuff that isn't appropriate for children", quite the contrary, I'd say a lot of stuff that actively aims to be EDGY and VIOLENT and so on and so forth, is in fact incredibly juvenile. Like, to me, My Neighbor Totoro is more mature than many supposedly mature action-movies. Now of course, do note that I said sometimes. I can just as easily think of several episodes of FiM that just made me roll my eyes. Prime example? "Spike at Your Service" from the third season. Notable for taking one of the most overused plots ever, (character gets their life saved by another character, swears that I WILL REPAY THIS DEBT NO MATTER WHAT and ends up overly clingy, trying way too hard to be helpful and only causing trouble) and playing it completely 100% straight. Like, at least normally when they do an extremely overused plot they at least try and do something interesting with it or make up for the weak plot with good comedy or something such, but that episode was just the epitome of trite. So what is "mature" in my mind? Basically, well-written is mature. Something that doesn't feel like it's talking down to its audience, has good characterization, and doesn't rely on cheap gimmicks to grab people's attention. Which is why I say that FiM or Totoro is more mature than much of what comes out of Hollywood, because let's be fair, much of that tends to contain a significant amount of gratuitous violence, cursing and/or fanservice purely to seem more "edgy". And that to me is far more childish than super-deformed talking horses learning lessons about friendship will ever be. (Disclaimer: This does not apply to movies that use violence, cursing or fanservice because it's actually needed to tell the story effectively. There are situations where those things are perfectly justified.)

Unless I read his meaning wrong, by "mature," he meant edgy. A lot of people do this ridiculous "you think MLP is girly now?" thing, where they point to certain "cooler" parts and try to rationalize their interest in that show by painting it "rad" or "edgy." This has spawned many a fanfiction, no doubt you've noticed. People do this with Dragon Ball too. They'll say "look at the blood! DBZ is mature!" On the contrary, it can take some guts to say "hey, I'm an adult who likes cartoons!"
But if by mature he meant what you said, then I would agree.

I think it is interesting that some of you guys seem to be a tad bit defensive about DB's fights. Well, obviously they are better than this! This is a parody. It's not meant to measure up to Dragon Ball. It's highly likely that this scene (which actually has no effect on the outcome of the episode), was inserted solely to get a smile out of older fans. (That happens a lot). Besides this, there is literally no overlap between MLP and Dragon Ball.

[qjz123]

I think it is interesting that some of you guys seem to be a tad bit defensive about DB's fights. Well, obviously they are better than this! This is a parody. It's not meant to measure up to Dragon Ball. It's highly likely that this scene (which actually has no effect on the outcome of the episode), was inserted solely to get a smile out of older fans. (That happens a lot). Besides this, there is literally no overlap between MLP and Dragon Ball.

Well in our defense the OP did say this.

I don't see what's so ironic about that. The only irony I see is that a My Little Pony cartoon outdid DBZ in characters, writing, story, and ESPECIALLY action.

[ABED]

It never was when called "Whoop-Ass-Stew" it was supposed to be an ironic show of cute-little girls brutally beating up giant, ugly masculine monsters (or lolicon today) playing on a nursery Rhyme. The show was never made to be a girls show exclusively, the title was just changed for obvious reasons and to further emphasize the theme of the show's concept. Nothing was really girly about the show at all, nothing the girls did from my perspective was stereotypical of girls really. They didnt play with dolls (Octie was a plush toy) nor did they talk about hair, nails, panties, boyfriends or whatever prepubecent girls talk about. The show was usually centered around their lives as the crime fighting team and their family dynamics. Which I think deserves more praise than it recieved for that very neutral focus.

Thank you. There might be some similarities between PPG and MLP, but I doubt they are more than surface level.

I gotta say this to those that say they don't see the resemblance between the clip and DBZ, it's seems like a clear homage. I don't think the creators intended to say "we're gonna do this better than Toriyama!" It seems like a friendly "We like DBZ, why not put in a little reference".

[Gaffer Tape]

Woman's rights hyopcrisy is already broken enough on youtube/twitter and society alone. Don't need it here.

If the natural course of discussion brings it up, which it did here, I will. It's not your prerogative to tell me what I can and can't talk about here, so please don't ever try.

It never was when called "Whoop-Ass-Stew" it was supposed to be an ironic show of cute-little girls brutally beating up giant, ugly masculine monsters (or lolicon today) playing on a nursery Rhyme. The show was never made to be a girls show exclusively, the title was just changed for obvious reasons and to further emphasize the theme of the show's concept. Nothing was really girly about the show at all, nothing the girls did from my perspective was stereotypical of girls really. They didnt play with dolls (Octie was a plush toy) nor did they talk about hair, nails, panties, boyfriends or whatever prepubecent girls talk about. The show was usually centered around their lives as the crime fighting team and their family dynamics. Which I think deserves more praise than it recieved for that very neutral focus.

I see this as both splitting hairs and missing the point. I mean, seriously, going so far as to try to specify that an octopus plush doesn't count as a doll? But while I agree that the show did have broad appeal, you have to be willfully ignoring the fact that, yes, there were plenty of girly things in Powerpuff Girls. That's the point of the show! Like you said, it's cute little girls beating up monsters. In your rush to justify your fandom of it through the hypermasculine fighting, you seem to be forgetting the cute little girls part, which is what you say helped give it its charm. There were plenty of episodes that took place in their kindergarten. There were minor romance plots. They did play girly games. When you have female protagonists, they're likely to do "feminine" things. Which they did.

Again, it just seems you're purposely downplaying those elements in order to rationalize why it's okay for you to like it when it really shouldn't make the least bit of difference. Yes, it does deserve praise. Yes, it contains a lot of elements that can appeal to a lot of people. And I'm not even saying it was specifically marketed towards young girls. But it did have girly elements by its very nature. And I just don't get why you're making the case about it supposedly avoiding girly things and remaining "neutral" is supposed to be points in its favor as if it managed to do well despite being stained with "cooties" or some such nonsense.

Thank you. There might be some similarities between PPG and MLP, but I doubt they are more than surface level.

Emphasis is mine. The fact is you have no idea, yet you still feel in a position to be so judgmental over it. But since you like (or at least respect) Powerpuff Girls and are determined to think My Little Pony is what you assume it is, the similarities can't be more than surface level, otherwise it would force you to rethink your position. However, I do understand where you're coming from. I believe we're about the same age, which means that we were young children in the late '80s, during the original My Little Pony boom. And I couldn't have cared less about it. When I was in college, and my fiancee picked up a cheap My Little Pony tape at Wal-Mart to relive her childhood and convinced me to watch it with her, I did not find much to be interested by or anything I thought I would have been interested in as a child. So for our generation, I can certainly see why the brand name causes us to jump to conclusions about it. But this isn't our generation's My Little Pony. From what little research I've done on the subject, it does indeed seem to be written intelligently to appeal to a broader demographic and have that same kind of irreverent humor that PPG has (as others have stated, the original showrunner of this MLP worked on PPG). So while I understand the stigma, I still think you're jumping to conclusions based solely on the idea that "it's 'girly'; therefore, it can have no appeal to me, nor should it have any appeal to anyone like me."

But, as I've said, it just rubs me the wrong way when people express such judgmental views over what people should or should not like, especially when the subject of the forum very much makes us a glass house.

[thatdbzguy]

BUT, saying MLP has better anything than DB might be an overstatement.

Why? It obviously has a bigger sense of loss than DBZ after Twilight's old home got destroyed (and if My Little Pony of all things has a bigger sense of loss than your show, that's just sad), and the animation is much more consistent. Plus, all the characters are useful, which is something DBZ doesn't comprehend.

[TheGmGoken]

BUT, saying MLP has better anything than DB might be an overstatement.

Why? It obviously has a bigger sense of loss than DBZ after Twilight's old home got destroyed (and if My Little Pony of all things has a bigger sense of loss than your show, that's just sad), and the animation is much more consistent. Plus, all the characters are useful, which is something DBZ doesn't comprehend.

So that whole topic bout "Db not having sense of lost" was to add more stuff to sat on other topics to bash Db? The animation colours are awful. Isn't Db"your " show too. You just hate it so much that you like it and can't stop talking about it. For the sense of lost I'll just repost what I've said on the actual topic.

Not really. Even when theDbs undo anything there's still sense of lost. Look at when Krillin dies at Namek. We didn't know he'll be back. Hell even when Piccolo died on Earth and ALMOST died on Namek there was lost. Cyborg has many senses of loss(which is why its the second best arc of franchise) and Cell arc have some as Kid Buu stated. Only arc that didn't have the sense of loss feel is BOO arc. Every other arc has it.

[ABED]

Of course PPG had girly things, but it had plenty of stuff that appealed to young boys. It was a show aimed at young children, not just young girls. It also played up the fact that it was young girls that were doing stereotypically tomboyish things, while at the same time did girly things. It was part of its charm. It's sort of what Buffy did. There's no rationalization going on. PPG wasn't even sold as being a girl's show, despite the title. It was sold as an action cartoon, I can recall the ads for it.

You are right, I haven't seen a lot of MLP, but I have seen a number of clips to see why "bronies" are a thing, and other than this clip, nothing has dissuaded me from my opinion that it's a very girly show, and not down my alley.

You seem to imply that judging things is wrong when you use the term "judgmental". If your point is that I'm judging things without the full context, then pick a different word than "judge" or "judgmental". I've already admitted to simply thinking it's weird without much rhyme or reason. I'm not standing over people wagging my finger. I simply think it's odd. Did you not see my Friends' analogy?

Stop being judgmental about people being judgmental, please.

[qjz123]

BUT, saying MLP has better anything than DB might be an overstatement.

Why? It obviously has a bigger sense of loss than DBZ after Twilight's old home got destroyed (and if My Little Pony of all things has a bigger sense of loss than your show, that's just sad), and the animation is much more consistent. Plus, all the characters are useful, which is something DBZ doesn't comprehend.

So even your other thread had an agenda behind it. Figures...

[Cure Dragon 255]

Of course PPG had girly things, but it had plenty of stuff that appealed to young boys. It was a show aimed at young children, not just young girls. It also played up the fact that it was young girls that were doing stereotypically tomboyish things, while at the same time did girly things. It was part of its charm. It's sort of what Buffy did. There's no rationalization going on. PPG wasn't even sold as being a girl's show, despite the title. It was sold as an action cartoon, I can recall the ads for it.

You are right, I haven't seen a lot of MLP, but I have seen a number of clips to see why "bronies" are a thing, and other than this clip, nothing has dissuaded me from my opinion that it's a very girly show, and not down my alley.

You seem to imply that judging things is wrong when you use the term "judgmental". If your point is that I'm judging things without the full context, then pick a different word than "judge" or "judgmental". I've already admitted to simply thinking it's weird without much rhyme or reason. I'm not standing over people wagging my finger. I simply think it's odd. Did you not see my Friends' analogy?

Stop being judgmental about people being judgmental, please.

No.

[VegettoEX]

No.

While you have a valid point, you do not have a worthwhile post here. If you are unwilling to put thought and effort into your posts, we're unwilling to have you as a contributing member. A single word is not a post.