Something About Goku Black *Huge Spoiler*

[Shin]

Pink not necessarily being a girly color has nothing to do with feminism or SJWs. Also, again, the manliest transformation in the show had pink fur. The first real villain of the show wore pink clothes. One of the best characters in the series has pink muscles (he might be asexual in-universe, but Piccolo is as manly as you can get).

Also, again, you are judging this from an western point of view. In Japan, pink is no different from any other color. Dragon Ball is a japanese show and it's aestethics should be judged trough that lense.

You may not like the form. There are valid critiscisms you can make. Pink being girly is just a non-issue and speaks more about you than it does the form.

An excellent way to put it!

[ArchedThunder]

I think the main problem is that you can't counter any of my arguments. Feel free to debate with me if you can come up with some counterarguments.

You being closed minded is the problem. I'm done with you, so don't even bother replying to me.

[Draconic]

With how much pink Vegeta has been wearing lately, I think he would agree with me too

[Chiki]

In Japan, pink is no different from any other color.

Can you please stop repeating this? Where's your proof?

This thesis talks about how pink is a feminine color in Japan.

http://commons.emich.edu/cgi/viewconten ... ext=honors

The peach is a fruit that symbolizes femininity in general and female sexuality
and genitalia, in particular. Its tree is said to be the tree of eternal life in Japanese
folklore, and peach blossoms are Japanese symbols of feminine softness, matrimony, and
springtime (Lehner 123). As we might expect, Momoko was born on March 3rd, the
Japanese holiday of Joumi no Sekku or Hina Matsuri.20 Her color is pink, the color of
health, life, love, and female sexuality. In fact, a Japanese word for pink is momoiro.

Momoiro: 'Peach-colored' or 'having the nature/characteristics of a peach.'

Pink is associated with feminine softness and female sexuality in Japan.

[Draconic]

Cherry Blossoms are asociated with dead Samurai warriors taken before their time. Males. Men.

•In Japan, the color pink has a masculine association. The annual spring blooming of the pink-blossomed cherry trees (the Sakura) is said to represent the young Japanese warriors who fell in battle in the prime of life (the Samurai).

If you want to get technical, Black's hair is cherry pink, not peach pink you linked.
Also, a great read if you want to actually find something about this fact. http://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2 ... olor-pink/

What you quoted isn't wrong. It's just not the full story. As I said, it has different conotations. Neither male nor female, exclusively.

[Shin]

Cherry Blossoms are asociated with dead Samurai warriors taken before their time. Males. Men.

•In Japan, the color pink has a masculine association. The annual spring blooming of the pink-blossomed cherry trees (the Sakura) is said to represent the young Japanese warriors who fell in battle in the prime of life (the Samurai).

Thinking about this I'm realizing that this can be applied to Future Gokuu who died of the heart virus! It's starting to make sense.

[Draconic]

Cherry Blossoms are asociated with dead Samurai warriors taken before their time. Males. Men.

•In Japan, the color pink has a masculine association. The annual spring blooming of the pink-blossomed cherry trees (the Sakura) is said to represent the young Japanese warriors who fell in battle in the prime of life (the Samurai).

Thinking about this I'm realizing that this can be applied to Future Gokuu who died of the heart virus! It's starting to make sense.

There is some very cool stuff behind color choices done recently, which is why I think SSB work so well. If you wish, I can PM you some stuff about that so as to not derail the thread, or, if you wish, research the meaning behind turqoise and apply it's qualities and drawbacks to what happens in RoF. You will be blown away.

[Boo Machine]

If you dont like the color pink on Black thats one thing. But I'm not entirely sure why your view on the color would be tied to what the majority of people associate the color to.

I feel like that's like saying "I don't like to watch Dragonball z, because its a cartoon and the majority of people associate cartoons for small children."

[Doctor.]

If you dont like the color pink on Black thats one thing. But I'm not entirely sure why your view on the color would be tied to what the majority of people associate the color to.

I feel like that's like saying "I don't like to watch Dragonball z, because its a cartoon and the majority of people associate cartoons for small children."

IT'S NOT A CARTOON, IT'S ANIME. IT'S ART, MOM.

[Avok]

What I don't like is that pink is too jarring in an already saturated show.

There are other ways and other colours. Grey, light brown, even a light green or turquoise like Broly go more in tone with what the series has done in the past. Blue, pink or even bright red just doesn't do it for me.

For example: (the first one is pink, the others are the ones I came up with).


I would love to see something like the last one I made.
Note that these are using the Toriyama SSB illustration as base, so the colors on the show would appear 10x more bright.

[ArchedThunder]

What I don't like is that pink is too jarring in an already saturated show.

There are other ways and other colours. Grey, light brown, even a light green or turquoise like Broly go more in tone with what the series has done in the past. Blue, pink or even bright red just doesn't do it for me.

For example: (the first one is pink, the others are the ones I came up with).


I would love to see something like the last one I made.
Note that these are using the Toriyama SSB illustration as base, so the colors on the show would appear 10x more bright.

You haven't seen it in the show yet though, so how can you say it's jarring? Your Pink also doesn't match the card, the card goes from a very light pink, almost white, and darkens to an almost red pink at its darkest.

[Avok]

You haven't seen it in the show yet though, so how can you say it's jarring? Your Pink also doesn't match the card, the card goes from a very light pink, almost white, and darkens to an almost red pink at its darkest.

I'm just going by how both SSG and SSB look on the show/movies.
For the edits, as I said, I used Toriyama's color scheme that's much lighter and homogeneous.

[SSJ Human]

The first problem here is that you don't know what "in principle" means. In principle means something like "the basic idea is that." It is not basic. Pink is not itself a bad color for a villain. It looks good on Buu, because of his silly personality which made him a funny and good villain. It looks good on Doflamingo, because he is effeminate and flashy. It suits these villains just fine and there is nothing wrong with pink. Part of their appeal as a villain is that they look like Teletubbies and are evil anyway.

It looks fine on Trunks because he is a really nice guy (actually his hair color is light purple, more like lilac, but that is feminine too so w/e) and the color pink helps establish that he is nice and well-mannered. I don't know about Natsu. I don't read Fairy Tail.

What I'm arguing is that pink is a bad color for Black. It does not suit him. He isn't effeminate, flashy, silly or childlike. He is just an efficient evil villain who enjoys to kill people and is associated with the color black. That is all.

You wrote earlier that pink was a girly color and now you're giving exceptions. I don't get it. What is so wrong about using the color for a villain that you say is evil, which is what Buu was initially, when we already know why they couldn't make it white?

What color would you have preferred in its place?

[Miracles]

As long as it looks good who cares what color it is.
Toriyama normally has good taste so...

[Rusty Shackleford]

In my book, pink is a girly color. That's as much as I'm going to weigh in on that argument.

As for how it looks on Goku Black, I think it looks fine. It also looks more of an intermediate reddish pink/pinkish red to my eyes. It may also be that there seems to be quite a bit of lightening on that particular illustration. I'll wait until I see a more proper image, but I think it looks fine.

I agree that it is probably meant to be an inversion of SSB.

[Chiki]

The first problem here is that you don't know what "in principle" means. In principle means something like "the basic idea is that." It is not basic. Pink is not itself a bad color for a villain. It looks good on Buu, because of his silly personality which made him a funny and good villain. It looks good on Doflamingo, because he is effeminate and flashy. It suits these villains just fine and there is nothing wrong with pink. Part of their appeal as a villain is that they look like Teletubbies and are evil anyway.

It looks fine on Trunks because he is a really nice guy (actually his hair color is light purple, more like lilac, but that is feminine too so w/e) and the color pink helps establish that he is nice and well-mannered. I don't know about Natsu. I don't read Fairy Tail.

What I'm arguing is that pink is a bad color for Black. It does not suit him. He isn't effeminate, flashy, silly or childlike. He is just an efficient evil villain who enjoys to kill people and is associated with the color black. That is all.

You wrote earlier that pink was a girly color and now you're giving exceptions. I don't get it. What is so wrong about using the color for a villain that you say is evil, which is what Buu was initially, when we already know why they couldn't make it white?

What color would you have preferred in its place?

It looks fine on childlike (Buu) and girly/effeminate (Doflamingo) characters. I don't get what your problem is with that statement.

Why couldn't they make it white?

[SSJ Human]

It looks fine on childlike (Buu) and girly/effeminate (Doflamingo) characters. I don't get what your problem is with that statement.

Why couldn't they make it white?

So Future Trunks is girly?

There exist a Toriyama interview where he said he could not make the next SSJ form white since it was a color already being used with an upcoming villain.

[Chiki]

It looks fine on childlike (Buu) and girly/effeminate (Doflamingo) characters. I don't get what your problem is with that statement.

Why couldn't they make it white?

So Future Trunks is girly?

There exist a Toriyama interview where he said he could not make the next SSJ form white since it was a color already being used with an upcoming villain.

He's not manly, that's for sure, so I don't really mind it on him. I like it on Doflamingo and Buu. I'm just neutral towards Trunks having pink/lilac hair. Tbh I think it looks weird with his dark skin color but it's not a big deal.

That was because of Frieza, who was the white villain Toriyama had in mind. That is over and done with now.

[SSJ Human]

It looks fine on childlike (Buu) and girly/effeminate (Doflamingo) characters. I don't get what your problem is with that statement.

Why couldn't they make it white?

So Future Trunks is girly?

There exist a Toriyama interview where he said he could not make the next SSJ form white since it was a color already being used with an upcoming villain.

He's not manly, that's for sure, so I don't really mind it on him. I like it on Doflamingo and Buu. I'm just neutral towards Trunks having pink/lilac hair. Tbh I think it looks weird with his dark skin color but it's not a big deal.

That was because of Frieza, who was the white villain Toriyama had in mind. That is over and done with now.

He was specifically talking about white hair and that interview came out about a year ago so we know he was talking about a villain in Super, ergo Zamasu.

[Chiki]

So Future Trunks is girly?

There exist a Toriyama interview where he said he could not make the next SSJ form white since it was a color already being used with an upcoming villain.

He's not manly, that's for sure, so I don't really mind it on him. I like it on Doflamingo and Buu. I'm just neutral towards Trunks having pink/lilac hair. Tbh I think it looks weird with his dark skin color but it's not a big deal.

That was because of Frieza, who was the white villain Toriyama had in mind. That is over and done with now.

He was specifically talking about white hair and that interview came out about a year ago so we know he was talking about a villain in Super, ergo Zamasu.

Yes the interview came out a year ago but the question was "how did you come up with Super Saiyan Blue?" referring to RoF.

Toriyama himself said he only started planning the Black arc, meaning Zamasu was created, in fall 2015. Well after Super Saiyan Blue.