GT or Super? Which one is the best?

[TKA]

How something looks is in the eye of the beholder, so just to be clear I'm not saying you're wrong. I just can't sit and watch GT for too long (re: an entire episode) because the color palette is just so off, as is the character models.

Super only has the look it does due to them being done digitally, rather than by hand like the original Z was. GT has no excuse since it was done by hand too; Toei either just didn't care to be consistent, or wanted to be different.

And even though I love Z the most, let's not pretend that its art didn't fluctuate wildly as well.

[Cetra]

I like the art style in Super better because Super looks and feels like the world of Dragon Ball with the bright colors. GT had ugly choices of color and look too dark at times.

That is what I love about GT. It looks like the dark future. Which it is. And what I love about the Zamasu saga right now.

[TheGreatness25]

I generally loved GT's animation. There were times where their faces looked strange, and I was underwhelmed with the ki blasts at certain times (namely Goten vs Gohan where their Kamehame-Has were these thin beams).

Generally I liked the little side battles in GT. I really enjoyed Gohan vs Goten and then Gohan vs Vegeta. Short-lived, but just the animation and the idea (I guess) of it made me excited. I really liked that design of Super Saiyan Gohan in the white shirt.

I hope Super has those little things, though most of the excitement was from seeing an older version of the characters going at it.

[precita]

GT seems like an alternate timeline now where Beerus never visited the Earth.

Goku and Vegeta never discovered God Ki, so instead they found a way to use blutz waves to transform into Super Saiyan 4. All the other characters basically aged as they would normally in either Super or GT. And since GT takes place a decade or so after Super, we don't see this stuff in the current timeline yet.

Sad thing Mai has the worst fate in the GT timeline. An elderly woman who is still aimlessly following Pilaf around. While Super Mai looks like she'll find true happiness in both Trunks time after Zamasu is defeated, and in the current timeline when she ages.

[MarCas92]

GT vs Super... yikes. This is a very popular conversation but I also believe its an important one to have. These products are both so simliar and yet SO different that it's hard not to compare them.

There are some factors I think people fail to take into account when comparing the 2. The most important one, is time. Gt was released 20 years ago. It was meant to ride the coattails of the DBZ anime at the time. Super on the other hand is a completely different beast. It was created as a product to expand and extend the current Dragon Ball resurgence that began with BoG (or arguably Yo!). So although both were made to cash in on current trends, GT was creation was independent and self contained, whereas Super was a byproduct of the time.

Surprisingly though, one could make the argument that because of the circumstances behind their creation you'd expect the opposite execution with both of these shows. GT tries to be a love letter to everything that came before it. The early parts of Dragon Ball mixed with Z elements to create a more well rounded product. However, (according to popular opinion) these elements weren't appreciated due to plot contrivances and poor pacing resulting in what many believe to be a boring and uninspired product. Eventually, the show became more action oriented to become more like Z and hope for better reception. It seems it worked, but not enough. The show now has an, at best, mixed reputation. With people claiming everything from: It's garbage to it's an underrated series that's better than Z. Super however seems to be a show created from an executives desk giving people what TOEI THINKS the fans wants. This seems to be very hit and miss, but it has worked and Super is a hit commercially.

Personally, I enjoy GT better than Super. Super isn't over yet and that might change but for now, I feel like GT has a mediocre arc, followed by a good arc, then a bad arc and then a mediocre arc. With Super's 4 arcs, I feel it's 2 bad arcs followed by 2 good ones. I don't think any of the stories told have been truly great. Also, I think GT has more memorable moments than Super. Sure a lot of it has to do with Super being new, but Super hasn't had any moments that I feel will ever be memorable outside of them simply being fan service. GT on the other hand has some really powerful moments that even some people who don't like it appreciate.

Everyone will have their own opinions on what they prefer. Personally for me that's GT and I truly that believe that if Super doesn't get any better than this, in the future people will look more fondly on GT.

[kinisking]

Super by far.

[ChronoTwigger]

Once ago, a friend of mine used to buy every dvd about DB on earth.
He was very doubtfull about buying GT. I've told him, inspired by the previews - hey! Evil dragons! SSJ4! Vundarfulll!

The very next day we stood on the couch watchin that ... thing, and I felt really embarassed.
I offered him to REPAY of his expenses.

That's how much I liked GT. It cost me money and trust of friends.

So whatever is better than GT.
That's mean Super is better than GT.

But also my 6 years old child fridge drawings are better than GT.

[kinisking]

Super. The retellings weren't that bad. People just like to hate it for being a rehash. Looking back, even the ROF arc wasn't that bad. They messed up the Goku vs Freeza fight but it was better written than the movie.

Ok the ROF arc was pretty terrible

Outside of the Goku vs Freeza fight it really wasn't that terrible in comparison to the movie. It's writing was definitely superior, the new content with Goku and Vegeta's training was interesting, and episode 27 was just great. It definitely wasn't the piece of trash people put it out to be. Although I don't like ROF in general for many reasons.

[Cetra]

But also my 6 years old child fridge drawings are better than GT.

You must be DaVinci.

[nite_jay]

Super is a lot more entertaining imo. I just get bored of watching GT, honestly. Whether it's better or not is debatable, but Super has done more things I liked than GT has.

[Nekis13]

Super by a mile.

GT for me is just... full of wasted opportunities.

Say, the Shadow Dragon Saga. Instead of Goku take on every single Shadow Dragon, why not have Adult Gotenks beat some of them or hell, even have Vegeta transform into a SSJ4 beforehand and have him defeat one of the Dragons too. The ending however is probably one of my favorite Dragon Ball moments ever, seeing Goku Jr and Vegeta Jr was very interesting to see.

[Soppa Saia People]

This thread seems less like, who likes Super or GT more, and more like who likes, is indifferent towards, dislikes or hate GT. Now for me, even if I thought GT sucked, I would still like it more then Super. I like almost nothing about Super, I dislike the art style, animation, characters,, the plot and writing. But I'll try to shut up about it.

[precita]

Say, the Shadow Dragon Saga. Instead of Goku take on every single Shadow Dragon, why not have Adult Gotenks beat some of them or hell, even have Vegeta transform into a SSJ4 beforehand and have him defeat one of the Dragons too. The ending however is probably one of my favorite Dragon Ball moments ever, seeing Goku Jr and Vegeta Jr was very interesting to see.

Super is guilty of that too.

Beerus movie/episodes: Only Goku fights him

Freeza: Only Goku and Vegeta fight him (although we at least saw the others fight Freeza's soldiers)

Champa tournament: Only Goku and Vegeta get major battles, and Piccolo's is cut short. Buu doesn't even fight

Zamasu arc: Goku and Vegeta are the main fighters, although Future Trunks does get a good deal of screentime.


Its gotten to the point where Piccolo, Krillin, Gohan and Goten have become what Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chiaotzu were in DBZ.

[TheGreatness25]

Let's not forget how in GT, the Z Warriors got to fight the villains who were coming from Hell... and something during the evil Shen Longs too I think. It sucked not seeing a grown up Gotenks, but it was nice to see Gohan in his gi.

[Hellspawn28]

It was mostly Goku and Pan that fought the Shadow Dragons, the others didn't show up until the very end. We did see the others fight the old villains escaped from Hell, but I felt like it was poorly done. Most of them where killed off screen and it was mostly Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Uub and Pan that killed off the old villains. It didn't give #8 and the other human cast a try. Yamucha, Kuririn and Tenshinhan could have help out and they could beat anyone under the Ginyu Force in terms of power. I think having Kuririn kill Tambourine in GT would have been cool to see.

[dragonballhero]

Say, the Shadow Dragon Saga. Instead of Goku take on every single Shadow Dragon, why not have Adult Gotenks beat some of them or hell, even have Vegeta transform into a SSJ4 beforehand and have him defeat one of the Dragons too. The ending however is probably one of my favorite Dragon Ball moments ever, seeing Goku Jr and Vegeta Jr was very interesting to see.

Super is guilty of that too.

Beerus movie/episodes: Only Goku fights him

Freeza: Only Goku and Vegeta fight him (although we at least saw the others fight Freeza's soldiers)

Champa tournament: Only Goku and Vegeta get major battles, and Piccolo's is cut short. Buu doesn't even fight

Zamasu arc: Goku and Vegeta are the main fighters, although Future Trunks does get a good deal of screentime.


Its gotten to the point where Piccolo, Krillin, Gohan and Goten have become what Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chiaotzu were in DBZ.

And don't forget Kid Trunks of the main (present) timeline. It's not like he's getting anything better than what Gohan, Goten, Krillin, and Piccolo have been getting as of recent. I agree with you though on all of these characters in Super essentially serving the roles Yamcha, Tien, and Chiaoztu served in Dragon Ball Z.

[Lord Beerus]

Say, the Shadow Dragon Saga. Instead of Goku take on every single Shadow Dragon, why not have Adult Gotenks beat some of them or hell, even have Vegeta transform into a SSJ4 beforehand and have him defeat one of the Dragons too. The ending however is probably one of my favorite Dragon Ball moments ever, seeing Goku Jr and Vegeta Jr was very interesting to see.

Super is guilty of that too.

Beerus movie/episodes: Only Goku fights him

Freeza: Only Goku and Vegeta fight him (although we at least saw the others fight Freeza's soldiers)

Champa tournament: Only Goku and Vegeta get major battles, and Piccolo's is cut short. Buu doesn't even fight

Zamasu arc: Goku and Vegeta are the main fighters, although Future Trunks does get a good deal of screentime.


Its gotten to the point where Piccolo, Krillin, Gohan and Goten have become what Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chiaotzu were in DBZ.

Everyone under the sun takes on Beerus in the movie and Super retelling.

[sintzu]

Super seems to be a show created from an executives desk giving people what TOEI THINKS the fans wants.

If Super doesn't get any better than this, in the future people will look more fondly on GT.

Vegeta fans are happy because he got a bigger role in the Golden Freeza arc, 4 fights in the Champa arc & got to beat Black.

Future Trunks fans are happy cause he's finally back in a major role.

Vegetto fans are happy because he's back with a new form and will most likely defeat the current villain.

Most Goku fans were happy to see the Kaioken come back.

If they can tell good stories and give fans what they want then they're doing the right thing with the franchise and hopefully they'll continue it this way by giving Gohan and Piccolo major roles in the future.


I was saying this a few months ago but it has gotten better, better than I thought it could get and if it keeps this up then the way GT is looked at will either be the same as it is now or worse.

For what it's worth, I think Vegeta's treated pretty well by Super.

He's the best part of Super for me.

[DBZAOTA482]

But also my 6 years old child fridge drawings are better than GT.

Well... at least GT wasn't animated by Jaco.

[ChronoTwigger]

But also my 6 years old child fridge drawings are better than GT.

You must be DaVinci.

There's no need to be DaVinci to be a better artist than Toriyama, at least Z & GT style.