Daima and its implications for the Battle of the Gods

[SupremeKai25]

Yeah, because retconning Super would not make things more confusing.

This is just Super hate.

Super is not going anywhere.

[BernardoCairo]

This is just Super hate.

Not really. Unlike Vegeta th3 4th, I enjoy Super (especially the manga and movies). I actually like both Daima and Super, even though I strongly prefer the original manga over both.

Toei may not have legal access to anything established in Super.

I think they do have access to some of it. Otherwise we wouldn't see elements from Dragon Ball Super in Sparking! Zero

[super michael]

People assumed that DBS characters would get their mind wiped, since it contradicts EOZ, but that never happened.
I doubt Daima characters will have their mind wiped.

There is still one more episode left to see what happens. Although at this point in time Vegeta can turn SSJ3 at will and Goku can turn SSJ4 at will without help in Daima, it doesn't make sense that Vegeta didn't turn SSJ3 and Goku SSJ4 in DBS. That is if we assume Daima and DBS are connected.

Goku and Vegeta showed their full power against Beerus, they even said what their highest form was.

[SupremeKai25]

Daima is not supposed to be a long-running storyline, it's simply a fun side adventure to celebrate 40 years of Dragon Ball. It's basically a glorified version of that movie "Goku and his friends return" or whatever it's called.

Super is Super. Daima is Daima. Daima is a self-contained story.

[super michael]

Daima is not supposed to be a long-running storyline, it's simply a fun side adventure to celebrate 40 years of Dragon Ball. It's basically a glorified version of that movie "Goku and his friends return" or whatever it's called.

Super is Super. Daima is Daima. Daima is a self-contained story.

Yo Son Goku Ova doesn't contradict EOZ and the Boo Saga.
Daima doesn't contradict EOZ and the Boo Saga.
DBS characters contradicts EOZ and the Boo Saga.


Goku, Chi Chi, Boo, Goten and Trunks were written bad in DBS. Goku felt like a clown in it.

[BernardoCairo]

it's simply a fun side adventure to celebrate 40 years of Dragon Ball.

That's actually not true. Akio Iyoku lietrally confirmed this week that Daima's release in 2024, the 40th anniversary of the franchise, was purely coincidental, and that they’ve been working on it since 2018.

[Hugo Boss]

it's simply a fun side adventure to celebrate 40 years of Dragon Ball.

That's actually not true. Akio Iyoku lietrally confirmed this week that Daima's release in 2024, the 40th anniversary of the franchise, was purely coincidental, and that they’ve been working on it since 2018.

Not to mention he confirmed Daima is officially part of the main timeline and not just a side story, even giving extra emphasis on how everything is interconnected.

[SupremeKai25]

Super's still not getting retconned, no matter how much some people dislike this show because it's not like that old 30 years old series.

At this point, Toriyama's worked on the Super timeline nearly as long as he worked on the original manga, so it's not going anywhere.

[super michael]

DBS and Daima at this point in time has many things that doesn't fit with each other. SSJ3 Vegeta and SSJ4 Goku exist in Daima, which doesn't exist in DBS. Although keep in mind there is 1 episode left.

Keep in mind I like the fights, villains, music, story, etc, in DBS. I just hate how some characters were written in DBS, especially DBS Goku. They did a hard reset on him for no good reason.

DB Goku = smart
DBZ Goku = smart
GT Goku = smart
Daima Goku = smart
DBS manga Goku = smart
DBS anime Goku = clown

They didn't know the meaning of going overboard in DBS anime.

[Cybersai]

What plot holes need to be resolved?

1. Supreme Kai and Kibito fusing again

2. Goku having no access to Super Saiyan 4 after Daima, as Goku tells Beerus he has no forms after SSJ3 when they first meet.

3. Vegeta not going Super Saiyan 3 again is pretty explainable, he had no reason to use it much and it drains too much energy anyway.

4. I guess not a big one, but none of the characters ever mention their adventures in the Demon realm again, or the fact that they ALL turned to kids. Even everyone else like Krillin, 18, Chi Chi, Mr. Satan, etc...strange for not a single one of them to mention they spent almost 2 weeks as kids.

[Issei189]

People assumed that DBS characters would get their mind wiped, since it contradicts EOZ, but that never happened.
I doubt Daima characters will have their mind wiped.

There is still one more episode left to see what happens. Although at this point in time Vegeta can turn SSJ3 at will and Goku can turn SSJ4 at will without help in Daima, it doesn't make sense that Vegeta didn't turn SSJ3 and Goku SSJ4 in DBS. That is if we assume Daima and DBS are connected.

Goku and Vegeta showed their full power against Beerus, they even said what their highest form was.

But Ep 19 of Daima already implies why Vegeta decided to ditch SS3 if Super is really in continuity with Daima considering how exhausted SS3 Vegeta was. He was continuously sweating and breathing heavily right after the Final Flash

Also, Vegeta never really used his full power against Beerus in a regular fight if that's what you're talking about. Vegeta was too scared to fight him. A scared Vegeta first charges at Beerus in Super Saiyan out of instinct and gets stopped by Beerus's glare in DBS ep 7. He was still too scared to punch Beerus. It was until Bulma got slapped. Then Vegeta instantly transformed into a rage boosted SS2 which was stronger than SS3 Goku. This didn't seem any different to me than Vegeta transforming into a rage boosted SS against Super Perfect Cell instead of a Rage boosted SS Grade 2.

It's Goku not having SS4 during BOG is what they gotta explain.

[ZombieVito]

People assumed that DBS characters would get their mind wiped, since it contradicts EOZ, but that never happened.
I doubt Daima characters will have their mind wiped.

There is still one more episode left to see what happens. Although at this point in time Vegeta can turn SSJ3 at will and Goku can turn SSJ4 at will without help in Daima, it doesn't make sense that Vegeta didn't turn SSJ3 and Goku SSJ4 in DBS. That is if we assume Daima and DBS are connected.

Goku and Vegeta showed their full power against Beerus, they even said what their highest form was.

But Ep 19 of Daima already implies why Vegeta decided to ditch SS3 if Super is really in continuity with Daima considering how exhausted SS3 Vegeta was. He was continuously sweating and breathing heavily right after the Final Flash

Also, Vegeta never really used his full power against Beerus in a regular fight if that's what you're talking about. Vegeta was too scared to fight him. A scared Vegeta first charges at Beerus in Super Saiyan out of instinct and gets stopped by Beerus's glare in DBS ep 7. He was still too scared to punch Beerus. It was until Bulma got slapped. Then Vegeta instantly transformed into a rage boosted SS2 which was stronger than SS3 Goku. This didn't seem any different to me than Vegeta transforming into a rage boosted SS against Super Perfect Cell instead of a Rage boosted SS Grade 2.

It's Goku not having SS4 during BOG is what they gotta explain.

Holy shit you are right. I knew he doesn't use SS2 before his rage boost in the movie but watching the anime again and he also does it there. What's even better is that in the anime he never fights him with SS1, he gets paralyzed instantly by Beerus so him being so scared he never used SS3 kinda works.

[Hugo Boss]

Super's still not getting retconned, no matter how much some people dislike this show because it's not like that old 30 years old series.

At this point, Toriyama's worked on the Super timeline nearly as long as he worked on the original manga, so it's not going anywhere.

No one is saying Dragon Ball Super is getting retconned. But at the same time, we can’t definitively say it’s continuing either, not until the rights dispute is resolved. A lot can happen in between, and until there’s an official confirmation about Super’s future, it’s all speculation. Daima being part of the main timeline just means it’s a legitimate entry in the franchise, not that it affects Super one way or another.

[Yuji]

I wonder if they'll remake Super to be more in-line with the manga and/or to have better animation, and therefore in a new version of BoG, Vegeta and Goku will use their new forms.

[SupremeKai25]

Super's still not getting retconned, no matter how much some people dislike this show because it's not like that old 30 years old series.

At this point, Toriyama's worked on the Super timeline nearly as long as he worked on the original manga, so it's not going anywhere.

No one is saying Dragon Ball Super is getting retconned. But at the same time, we can’t definitively say it’s continuing either, not until the rights dispute is resolved. A lot can happen in between, and until there’s an official confirmation about Super’s future, it’s all speculation. Daima being part of the main timeline just means it’s a legitimate entry in the franchise, not that it affects Super one way or another.

I agree with that, then. Nor am I expecting the anime to continue in the near future.

However I don't see why the manga shouldn't pick up from where Super Hero left off.

I wonder if they'll remake Super to be more in-line with the manga and/or to have better animation, and therefore in a new version of BoG, Vegeta and Goku will use their new forms.

As far as I'm concerned, Black and Zamasu and the Tournament of Power are way more entertaining and enjoyable in the anime, and have more personality there too. I don't care about the U6 arc. Those are the two arcs I care about (Black/Zamasu and ToP).

I'd love if the Super anime got a remaster that cut down on some of the filler of those arcs and improved the art and animation.

But to straight up adapt the manga versions? Nah, no thanks. I prefer Kefla going out in an epic battle with Ultra Instinct instead of off-screen by Gohan, and I much prefer Black and Goku fighting each other instead of... not fighting each other.

You know what's funny? For all my defence of Super, I don't even need Super to come back to enjoy it. The Black and ToP sagas have enough material to keep me entertained for years. I'd LOOOOOOVE if Toei made a remaster of those sagas or whatever it's called (cutting down filler/improving art and animation). A "Kai" version.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

I wonder if they'll remake Super to be more in-line with the manga and/or to have better animation, and therefore in a new version of BoG, Vegeta and Goku will use their new forms.

If I was the powers at be over there; I'd have Toyotaro wrap up Super's storyline, then go ahead and remake everything into one series. DB, followed by Z, Daima would remain as is, followed by Super, followed by GT. Everything would be streamlined and combined into one series. DB and Z would follow the manga more closely, Super would be a combination of the best of the manga and anime before moving onto the manga only arcs, and finally a remake of GT's arcs. I'd go a step further and include all of Z's older movies as mini arcs, with changes made to fit the overall narrative.

We're getting a remake of the One Piece anime, so why not Dragon Ball ?

[super michael]

A Dragon Ball Super remake would be good, having the best of both anime and manga and cutting the worst would be good.
DBS manga greatly reduce dumb Goku and Chi Chi isn't a control freak. The number of times Goten and Trunks are forbidden is way less. As for Boo there is no difference, until the Moro chapter.

If it connects better with DB and Daima then even better.

[BernardoCairo]

I greatly prefer Super's manga over the anime, especially the Future Trunks Arc. However, another retelling seems pointless. People would just complain again and rightfully so. Imagine a fourth version of Battle of Gods...

[JulieYBM]

I greatly prefer Super's manga over the anime, especially the Future Trunks Arc. However, another retelling seems pointless. People would just complain again and rightfully so. Imagine a fourth version of Battle of Gods...

People will always complain and I will always put them on my block list if I think they're being dumb fucks. I advise doing the same.

Let's do a third telling of the Future Trunks arc, this time with more Zamasu and Gokuu Black kissing and less traveling back-and-forth between the future!

[super michael]

I greatly prefer Super's manga over the anime, especially the Future Trunks Arc. However, another retelling seems pointless. People would just complain again and rightfully so. Imagine a fourth version of Battle of Gods...

People will always complain and I will always put them on my block list if I think they're being dumb fucks. I advise doing the same.

Let's do a third telling of the Future Trunks arc, this time with more Zamasu and Gokuu Black kissing and less traveling back-and-forth between the future!

The only time I don't mind retelling is if the retelling is better than the original. If the retelling is going to be inferior, then there is no point in doing so.

DBS Super Hero manga expanded on the movie, therefore it was cool. There was extra story and extended fights, we got to see cameo of a police from Dragon Ball.
Goku was written way better in the manga than in the movie.

So yes retelling is good at times.