Corniest Dub Lines

[Kunzait_83]

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[Castor Troy]

Also Voltron was more successful in the States than Go-Lion was in Japan. So they must've done something right.

Look at it this way with DragonBall though: 12 years since the anime premiered, 14 since the manga was first printed in Jump. Still enough demand to drive DVD releases, Kanzenban editions of the manga, video games, CD releases...and why? Because it has a timeless quality.

DragonBall in the U.S., in my opinion, won't have that kind of longevity, and it's due massively to the handling of the show.

-Corey

I dunno about that. I keep hearing comments from the "older fans" (people who were kids-teens during DBZ's prime on CN, now turned adults) saying they feel all nostalgic whenever they hear of DBZ. I think DBZ now has sort of a TMNT-like nostalgic factor to it.

DBZ's still going pretty strong since the orange bricks were the best selling anime of last year. You gotta admit that most of the complaining is coming from fans from the internet while the sales figures talk differently.

DBZ as a whole, including FUNi's dub will always remain timeless. I'm sure we'll still be talking about Brian Drummond and Scott McNeil 10 years from now.

[MajinVejitaXV]

Also Voltron was more successful in the States than Go-Lion was in Japan. So they must've done something right.

Look at it this way with DragonBall though: 12 years since the anime premiered, 14 since the manga was first printed in Jump. Still enough demand to drive DVD releases, Kanzenban editions of the manga, video games, CD releases...and why? Because it has a timeless quality.

DragonBall in the U.S., in my opinion, won't have that kind of longevity, and it's due massively to the handling of the show.

-Corey

I dunno about that. I keep hearing comments from the "older fans" (people who were kids-teens during DBZ's prime on CN, now turned adults) saying they feel all nostalgic whenever they hear of DBZ. I think DBZ now has sort of a TMNT-like nostalgic factor to it.

DBZ's still going pretty strong since the orange bricks were the best selling anime of last year. You gotta admit that most of the complaining is coming from fans from the internet while the sales figures talk differently.

DBZ as a whole, including FUNi's dub will always remain timeless. I'm sure we'll still be talking about Brian Drummond and Scott McNeil 10 years from now.

Wow, I'm retarded. I meant 22 and 24 years in my original posts ;p

And yeah, I'm sure there will always be nostalgia, but the actual viability in the market was my point. Will the people going, "Yeah, I remember when Goku bitch-slapped Freeza lawl" be enough to sustain the demand we've seen in Japan all these years? Probably not, just in my opinion.

That aside, I loves me some McNeil and Drummond. Nice as hell and talented too. I'll hold onto my Ocean dubs for both the terror and joy they inspire in me.

-Corey

[Kunzait_83]

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[Castor Troy]

Look at it this way with DragonBall though: 12 years since the anime premiered, 14 since the manga was first printed in Jump. Still enough demand to drive DVD releases, Kanzenban editions of the manga, video games, CD releases...and why? Because it has a timeless quality.

DragonBall in the U.S., in my opinion, won't have that kind of longevity, and it's due massively to the handling of the show.

-Corey

I dunno about that. I keep hearing comments from the "older fans" (people who were kids-teens during DBZ's prime on CN, now turned adults) saying they feel all nostalgic whenever they hear of DBZ. I think DBZ now has sort of a TMNT-like nostalgic factor to it.

DBZ's still going pretty strong since the orange bricks were the best selling anime of last year. You gotta admit that most of the complaining is coming from fans from the internet while the sales figures talk differently.

DBZ as a whole, including FUNi's dub will always remain timeless. I'm sure we'll still be talking about Brian Drummond and Scott McNeil 10 years from now.

Wow, I'm retarded. I meant 22 and 24 years in my original posts ;p

And yeah, I'm sure there will always be nostalgia, but the actual viability in the market was my point. Will the people going, "Yeah, I remember when Goku bitch-slapped Freeza lawl" be enough to sustain the demand we've seen in Japan all these years? Probably not, just in my opinion.

That aside, I loves me some McNeil and Drummond. Nice as hell and talented too. I'll hold onto my Ocean dubs for both the terror and joy they inspire in me.

-Corey

Hmmm, who knows? Concerning the US market, I wonder if we'll get a "DBZ - We may get it right this time, but probably not blu-ray edition".

We seem to still be getting the newest DBZ games and they're selling pretty decently, so I guess that's still an indication.

[Gozar]

Granted, the Cell arc does indeed have, compared to other story arcs in the series, some similarities to several vaguely superhero-esque archetypes. But that’s still one story arc out of a dozen.

The point still stands that the series, as written by Toriyama, and as directed and scored in the anime in it’s original Japanese, has ALWAYS taken on the tone and conventions of a martial arts story first and foremost (even during the Cell saga), something wholly different from the superhero genre, and something not at ALL found in the English dub in the least bit.

That's all I'm really saying. That DragonBall does eventually take a more super hero'ish tone to it and that it's not insanely outlandish as some people seem to view it as. Let me ask you...If there was a band of martial artists on this planet who saved us from destruction every couple years. Wouldn't you view them as Super Heroes in a way?

Put it this way; would you classify something like Naruto as superhero show? Or Yu Yu Hakusho? Or Hokuto no Ken?

YYH, yes, sort of. In the same way I view DragonBall...Slight Super Hero undertones. Naruto not so much. I am not familiar with Hokuto no Ken.

Yes it’s something of a concern to the characters when it’s brought up… but Goku and the other martial artists care first and foremost about continually challenging and sharpening their fighting skills against increasingly deadly opponents… THAT and that alone is their primary motivation in taking on the various villains they come across. “Saving the world” to them is almost an incidental happenstance that comes with the territory, and in the Japanese version, both Goku himself and numerous other characters commenting on him aren’t shy about admitting to that in the least.

It's been bluntly stated by numerous characters on several occaisions in the Japanese version that to Goku, fighting and training come first, his friends and family's well being a close second, and the Earth a distant third. If that's not the complete polar oposite of the primary overarching theme of superhero stories (selflessness) while being a prime example of that of the martial arts story (self improvement and betterment of one's skills), I don't know what is.

Woah, woah. Now just hold on a second here, you're completely underplaying their desire to save the Planet. I'll admit it's not the first thing in Goku's mind. But many of the others it is. You act like these people have little care for the fate of their planet when they mention this quite often in the Original before the battle.

[Forgotten Hero]

On line I heard about, MajinVejitaXV was saying it on the podcast, "Gohan was going to fucking kill these people."

It still cracks me up!

[Kunzait_83]

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[Super Sonic]

Also Voltron was more successful in the States than Go-Lion was in Japan. So they must've done something right.

Look at it this way with DragonBall though: 12 years since the anime premiered, 14 since the manga was first printed in Jump. Still enough demand to drive DVD releases, Kanzenban editions of the manga, video games, CD releases...and why? Because it has a timeless quality.

DragonBall in the U.S., in my opinion, won't have that kind of longevity, and it's due massively to the handling of the show.

-Corey

I dunno about that. I keep hearing comments from the "older fans" (people who were kids-teens during DBZ's prime on CN, now turned adults) saying they feel all nostalgic whenever they hear of DBZ. I think DBZ now has sort of a TMNT-like nostalgic factor to it.

DBZ's still going pretty strong since the orange bricks were the best selling anime of last year. You gotta admit that most of the complaining is coming from fans from the internet while the sales figures talk differently.

DBZ as a whole, including FUNi's dub will always remain timeless. I'm sure we'll still be talking about Brian Drummond and Scott McNeil 10 years from now.

That's what I agree on. I was in my senior year during the Cell arc and the series ended on CN during my second year of community college.

Also what you say about the sales figures speaks true as well. Kinda like how some complaints over changes to the first Pokemon movie fell on deaf ears. Hey, if you were a WB executive, which would you guys care about:

A) Some guys 5+ years older than your movie's main demographic are made about it not being the same as it was in Japan

or

B) $80 million?

And please don't go on about how money means nothing to you.

[Gozar]

Woah, woah. Now just hold on a second here, you're completely underplaying their desire to save the Planet. I'll admit it's not the first thing in Goku's mind. But many of the others it is. You act like these people have little care for the fate of their planet when they mention this quite often in the Original before the battle.

In Goku's case? No he really doesn't all that much, at least not when it's stacked next to challenging his fighting skills. Both Kami and Goku himself flat out bluntly say as much during the final battle with Piccolo at the 23rd Budokai, amongst numerous other occasions. Saying he’s at all primarily concerned for Earth’s well being when stacked next to the prospect of a new challenge for his abilities is like saying that the safety of the world from Shadaloo’s rule is first and foremost on Ryu’s mind when taking on Vega/Bison.

I don't mean to downplay it in the case of the other characters. Yes it IS a concern that's brought up and it serves as a partial motivation, but one that’s certainly ancillary to their lives as martial artists. It's certainly not all that drastically important to say… Tenshinhan, or any of the other characters at the end of the day when they all more or less agree that they'd rather test themselves against the Artificial Humans rather than quickly and neatly save the world without hassle or loss of life via Bulma's idea of a pre-emptive attack on Gero's lab. That couldn’t fly any further in the face of a band of stereotypical superheroes if you tried.

Or look at the Freeza saga; the primary goal of Kuririn, Gohan, and Bulma’s trip to Namek was to wish their friends back to life first and foremost. Saving the Namekians and the universe from the grasp of a genocidal tyrant was more of a “yeah and by the way…” thing that they wound up getting sidetracked into rather than something they specifically set out to accomplish out of selfless heroism, like in most traditional superhero stores.

Ah ok. It seemed to me like you were downplaying it to make it seem like they couldn't give a rats ass either way. But now then you've said this I'm in agreement with you.

[Herms]

Toriyama literally states that the world had no faith in it's Champions. But they had forgotten Goku. What does this insinuate? That Goku is a champion of the earth.

That "the world had no faith in its champions" line isn't part of the original narration.

Yes it’s something of a concern to the characters when it’s brought up… but Goku and the other martial artists care first and foremost about continually challenging and sharpening their fighting skills against increasingly deadly opponents… THAT and that alone is their primary motivation in taking on the various villains they come across. “Saving the world” to them is almost an incidental happenstance that comes with the territory, and in the Japanese version, both Goku himself and numerous other characters commenting on him aren’t shy about admitting to that in the least.

Not to mention that the heroes, especially the Saiyans, often act in ways that actively endanger the Earth, just so that they can get a good fight and improve themselves. Goku lets Vegeta escape so they can battle again, even though it may very well lead to a second match where Goku loses and the Earth is destroyed. Everyone ignores Bulma's advice of just tracking down Gero and stopping him from making the androids in the first place because they all want to test their skills against these suppesedly unstoppable opponents. Vegeta lets Cell reach his perfect form because killing him as he was would be too boring. Goku and Vegeta refuse to use the potara again so that they can fight Buu one on one. Etc, etc.

[Gozar]

That "the world had no faith in its champions" line isn't part of the original narration.

That's what Viz says. What does the Original Manga say?

[MajinVejitaXV]

On line I heard about, MajinVejitaXV was saying it on the podcast, "Gohan was going to fucking kill these people."

It still cracks me up!

I said that? Not surprised, but when? And what context? ;p

-Corey

[Herms]

That's what Viz says. What does the Original Manga say?

"People had forgotten...about the small boy who long ago had fought Piccolo Daimao...And the people didn't know...about the warrior who battled Vegeta and the Saiyans, and Freeza...about Son Goku..."

So basically it's the same as what you quoted, only minus the "faith in champions" bit, and with "people" instead of "the world". Also, it says they "didn't know" about Vegeta and Freeza rather than that they "forgot".

There's also the panel before the part about Goku, where it talks about how Cell's announcement sent the world into a panic, and how it was obvious to everyone that the police and army weren't any match for him. But there's no "champions" line in there either.

[Gozar]

That's what Viz says. What does the Original Manga say?

"People had forgotten...about the small boy who long ago had fought Piccolo Daimao...And the people didn't know...about the warrior who battled Vegeta and the Saiyans, and Freeza...about Son Goku..."

So basically it's the same as what you quoted, only minus the "faith in champions" bit, and with "people" instead of "the world". Also, it says they "didn't know" about Vegeta and Freeza rather than that they "forgot".

There's also the panel before the part about Goku, where it talks about how Cell's announcement sent the world into a panic, and how it was obvious to everyone that the police and army weren't any match for him. But there's no "champions" line in there either.

Really?...Wow.

[John]

Can someone tell me the episode number (or English episode title) that features Yamcha's cat food song?

[Kendamu]

Can someone tell me the episode number (or English episode title) that features Yamcha's cat food song?

I know that its the one before Trunks' first appearance. The actual number is a mystery to me, though.

[John]

Thank you, kind sir.

[Bura]

Can someone tell me the episode number (or English episode title) that features Yamcha's cat food song?

103. Frieza's Counterattack

[TheGreatness25]

"Cat loves food, yeah yeah yeah"
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