The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:32 pm

No, because he did. Without his rage, he's not as strong as he was against Cell. He doesn't have weaker base/SS forms, but his maximum is far lower. Also according to the Daiz, that's what he was using against Dabra before Vegeta said that.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by kuartus4 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:55 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:No, because he did. Without his rage, he's not as strong as he was against Cell. He doesn't have weaker base/SS forms, but his maximum is far lower.
So Gohan's SSJ2 multiplier is variable?
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Post by rereboy » Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:57 pm

kuartus4 wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:No, because he did. Without his rage, he's not as strong as he was against Cell. He doesn't have weaker base/SS forms, but his maximum is far lower.
So Gohan's SSJ2 multiplier is variable?
No. Just that his SSJ2 power plus a rage boost is stronger than his SSJ2 power alone.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:58 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:No, because he did. Without his rage, he's not as strong as he was against Cell. He doesn't have weaker base/SS forms, but his maximum is far lower.
Only Daiz say that. Gohan got weaker but lack of training not lost of rage. Makes more sense. I mean it was 7 years.
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Post by kuartus4 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:23 pm

rereboy wrote:
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RandomGuy96 wrote:No, because he did. Without his rage, he's not as strong as he was against Cell. He doesn't have weaker base/SS forms, but his maximum is far lower.
So Gohan's SSJ2 multiplier is variable?
No. Just that his SSJ2 power plus a rage boost is stronger than his SSJ2 power alone.

So SSJ2 Gohan was raging the entire time vs Cell?
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Post by Kid Buu » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:16 pm

Ginyu Force they have the DANCE OF JOY

Kuririn Vs Tenshinhan (Equal Power Levels)
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Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:28 pm

Kid Buu wrote:Ginyu Force they have the DANCE OF JOY

Kuririn Vs Tenshinhan (Equal Power Levels)
Ugh I hate equal power levels

Krillin wins unless its a deathbattle. Krillin got better attacks that WONT kill himself and can do anything Ten do.
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Post by Captain Sauza » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:56 pm

Tien. Dodonpa > Kamehameha.

Movie 8 LSSJ Broly vs Pikkon
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:57 pm

Pikkon one-shots even M10 LSS Broly.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:28 pm

Captain Sauza wrote:Tenshinhan. Dodonpa > Kamehameha.

Movie 8 LSSJ Broly vs Paikuhan
Krillin has more attacks then just kamehameha. Same for Ten.

Paikuhan beats movie 10 Broly. So M8 would be dead
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Post by mAcChaos » Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:07 am

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So SSJ2 Gohan was raging the entire time vs Cell?
Yes, but it was a controlled anger. Like when you are planning revenge. That's what all his training was about; control.
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Post by rereboy » Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:55 am

kuartus4 wrote:

So SSJ2 Gohan was raging the entire time vs Cell?
Obviously. That was the entire plot point at that time, him letting his rage out.
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Post by kuartus4 » Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:53 pm

rereboy wrote:
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So SSJ2 Gohan was raging the entire time vs Cell?
Obviously. That was the entire plot point at that time, him letting his rage out.
Not really that obvious. I thought of it as Gohan's rage letting him unlock the SSJ2 transformation. I didn't see him raging the entire time, just the moment right before he transformed. His attitude and demeanor afterwards being the result of the SSJ2 transformation, just like Goku's attitude on Namek after transforming into SSJ for the first time.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:39 pm

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Post by Fizzer » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:01 pm

Without trawling through 600 pages, has Chichi vs Mr Satan ever been discussed? Do we have anything to base a strength comparison on?
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Post by xmysticgohanx » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:09 pm

Fizzer wrote:Without trawling through 600 pages, has Chichi vs Mr Satan ever been discussed? Do we have anything to base a strength comparison on?
Chichi stomps Mr. Satan; anyone with super human abilities can.
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Post by Fizzer » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:14 pm

xmysticgohanx wrote:
Fizzer wrote:Without trawling through 600 pages, has Chichi vs Mr Satan ever been discussed? Do we have anything to base a strength comparison on?
Chichi stomps Mr. Satan; anyone with super human abilities can.
But does she actually have super-human abilities in any way that Mr Satan doesn't? Do we ever see her use ki at all our go up against any super-warrior other than Goku, who beats her effortlessly?
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:19 pm

Se gets to the finals of the Budokai back when super humans entered it, was called a great master by Roshi (he describes Chappa similarly), was trained by her very super human father, and most importantly was given a power level of 130 in Weekly Jump.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by Fizzer » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:20 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Se gets to the finals of the Budokai back when super humans entered it, was called a great master by Roshi (he describes Chappa similarly), was trained by her very super human father, and most importantly was given a power level of 130 in Weekly Jump.
Wow, that puts her very close to Roshi, doesn't it?
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