Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[TheUltimateNinja]

Goku has to be a lot stronger than he was in the Buu saga because of his training with Whis.

There's also the 3 year RoSAT training.

So ignoring the God Base stuff how much strong do you guys have Goku and Vegeta compared to the Boo arc?

At least 15x stronger. Going by the massive boosts displayed in the Black arc Goku had to have become 5x stronger in that arc alone.

[Noah]

Imagine if a future episode "confirms" Tien is stronger than Krillin. I know a certain user on here who'd flip shit about that

You mean Kaboom?

[Bullza]

Goku has to be a lot stronger than he was in the Buu saga because of his training with Whis.

There's also the 3 year RoSAT training.

So ignoring the God Base stuff how much strong do you guys have Goku and Vegeta compared to the Boo arc?

Whether he's as strong in Base or not, if Frieza in his First Form is stronger than Super Saiyan Gohan and Frieza in his Final Form is 226 times more powerful than that then really Base Goku should be a good 300 times or so stronger than Super Saiyan Gohan.

Making that recent episode where they appear to be equal so mind boggling.

[Hugo Boss]

Ok, so you mean end of buu arc ss3 goku >= post rosat ss gotenks.

Actually, I don't mean them as equals, but close. Gotenks was still a work in progress.

Gotenks is stronger than Goku. Gotenks fought evenly with Evil Boo while Goku was scared to even fight with him.

That's why I said Gotenks probably had the edge in power.

[ahill1]

It is in the manga. When Beerus says he's certain all Saiyans possess black hair, Whis explains that they have a transformation known as SSJ and Goku says that's exactly what it is. Then depending on the translation you use Beerus says he sees how Goku beat Freeza/it's no surprise that Goku beat Freeza, but that's all he can do.

Beerus only questions Goku's hair color, to which Whis says it's the result of a transformation. Right after it, Goku turns into SSJ2, and that's when Beerus' comment on Goku being able to beat Freeza comes.

Again, the manga doesn't really state base form isn't enough to beat Freeza. That's just in the anime and in the movie.

[ssbgoku]

Ok, so you mean end of buu arc ss3 goku >= post rosat ss gotenks.

Actually, I don't mean them as equals, but close. Gotenks was still a work in progress.

Hmm sure that ok. I agree with that.

Goku has to be a lot stronger than he was in the Buu saga because of his training with Whis.

There's also the 3 year RoSAT training.

So ignoring the God Base stuff how much strong do you guys have Goku and Vegeta compared to the Boo arc?

I would have rof Base goku at least fat buu level(2x ss2 goku), closing to buu arc ss3 goku. I have also gohan and gotenks getting weaker in meanwhile. Keep in mind buu arc ss3 goku <= post ss gotenks

rof ss gotenks ~ post rosat base gotenks
rof ss gohan ~ 10 times post rosat base gotenks
rof base goku ~ buu ac ss3 goku
u6 base goku ~ post rosat ss gotenks
FT arc base goku ~ buu arc ss3 gotenks- Ultimate Gohan
Cuurent base goku ~ Buutenks level

[LowRyder2005]

Just wanted to let everyone know: I found out Toyotaro is going to make an appearance, this May, at the yearly Comicon in Naples (yup, that's where I happen to live).
In short, if I happen to find him and there's a meet and greet or something, I'm most definitely gonna try and ask him about where Base and Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta currently stand in power according to him compared to their old manga selves.

[ChiefWamsutta]

Just wanted to let everyone know: I found out Toyotaro is going to make an appearance, this May, at the yearly Comicon in Naples (yup, that's where I happen to live).
In short, if I happen to find him and there's a meet and greet or something, I'm most definitely gonna try and ask him about where Base and Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta currently stand in power according to him compared to their old manga selves.

That would be awesome if you could!!! Wow!!! You are very lucky, haha!! Please let us know if you find anything if it doesn't get revealed before then!

[TheUltimateNinja]

Just wanted to let everyone know: I found out Toyotaro is going to make an appearance, this May, at the yearly Comicon in Naples (yup, that's where I happen to live).
In short, if I happen to find him and there's a meet and greet or something, I'm most definitely gonna try and ask him about where Base and Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta currently stand in power according to him compared to their old manga selves.

That would be awesome if you could!!! Wow!!! You are very lucky, haha!! Please let us know if you find anything if it doesn't get revealed before then!

I wonder how Toyo will answer this, judging by his style he probably won't just say something vague like Toriyama.

He almost certainly won't just give out power levels, so there's 2 options:
1) He compares them to a character from the series, like say the androids.

2) He says they've become x times stronger.

[Hugo Boss]

Just wanted to let everyone know: I found out Toyotaro is going to make an appearance, this May, at the yearly Comicon in Naples (yup, that's where I happen to live).
In short, if I happen to find him and there's a meet and greet or something, I'm most definitely gonna try and ask him about where Base and Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta currently stand in power according to him compared to their old manga selves.

That would certainly be interesting, but can you get that close to him?!

[LowRyder2005]

Just wanted to let everyone know: I found out Toyotaro is going to make an appearance, this May, at the yearly Comicon in Naples (yup, that's where I happen to live).
In short, if I happen to find him and there's a meet and greet or something, I'm most definitely gonna try and ask him about where Base and Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta currently stand in power according to him compared to their old manga selves.

That would certainly be interesting, but can you get that close to him?!

It depends, I guess. They could make autograph lines, a meet and greet, a little convention. I think that there's definitely going to be a way to physically see Toyotaro; and, if anything, it'd be quite strange if they didn't allow any verbal interaction with him.

Besides, I've just skimmed through the tickets page... and it's even better than I expected. I am a columnist for my University. For a cinema and television blog, on behalf of our very specialization course in Cinema and Television. That and I've got more than a few strings to pull with fellow journalists. Chances are I could even get in as press, and not as a regular fan. They do reserve access for both columnists and professional journalists connected to my field of expertise.
Admitting I could have access as "press", I may even be able to strike a proper interview on the spot (or ask the Comicon staff if there ever was the possibility to do something like that). Don't want to get your (and my) hopes up, though. Let's just leave it at "I may see Toyotaro at our Comicon", for now.

[ChiefWamsutta]

Merged Zamasu should be stronger than SSJB Goku using the Kaioken x10 because I think it was both Vegeta and the Supreme Kai who said something about never feeling Ki like it.

This is my updated list. If this is true, I am not sure the KK×2, Kamehameha, and Galick Gun could hurt someone at that high a power. Does this whole thing make any sense, or should it be modified?

SSB Goku (RoF Saga): 1.0
SSB Vegeta (RoF Saga): 1.0
Golden Frieza: 1.3
Hit (U6 Saga): 1.4
SSB Goku (U6 Saga): 1.5
SSB Vegeta (U6 Saga): 1.5
SSB Goku (Copy-Vegeta Saga): 1.7
SSB Vegeta (Copy-Vegeta Saga): 1.7
SSB Copy-Vegeta (Copy-Vegeta Saga): 1.7
SSB Goku (Start of F. Trunks Saga): 1.8
SSB Vegeta (Start of F. Trunks Saga): 1.8
SSR Goku Black (Start of F. Trunks Saga): 2.0
SSB Goku (Rage Boost, F. Trunks Saga): 2.2
SSRage F. Trunks: 2.5
SSR Goku Black (Scimitar): 3.0
SSB Vegeta (Post-RoSaT, F. Trunks Saga): 3.5
SSB Goku (Zenkai, F. Trunks Saga): 3.5
SSRage F. Trunks (Zenkai): 3.5
SSR Goku Black (Scythe): 3.7
Hit (Hit Saga): 4.0
SSB Goku (Hit Saga): 4.2
SSB Vegeta and SSRage F. Trunks (Galick Gun): 6.5
SSB Goku (Kamehameha, Breaking Arms): 7.0
SSB KK×2 Goku (Kick, Broken Arms): 7.0
Merged Zamasu (Weakened): 8.0
SSRage F. Trunks (Spirit Bomb Sword): 8.5
SSB KK×10 Goku (U6 Saga): 15.0
Merged Zamasu (Halo): 17.0
Merged Zamasu (Powered-Up): 19.0
SSB Vegito (F. Trunks Saga): 21.0

[TheUltimateNinja]

Just wanted to let everyone know: I found out Toyotaro is going to make an appearance, this May, at the yearly Comicon in Naples (yup, that's where I happen to live).
In short, if I happen to find him and there's a meet and greet or something, I'm most definitely gonna try and ask him about where Base and Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta currently stand in power according to him compared to their old manga selves.

That would certainly be interesting, but can you get that close to him?!

It depends, I guess. They could make autograph lines, a meet and greet, a little convention. I think that there's definitely going to be a way to physically see Toyotaro; and, if anything, it'd be quite strange if they didn't allow any verbal interaction with him.

Besides, I've just skimmed through the tickets page... and it's even better than I expected. I am a columnist for my University. For a cinema and television blog, on behalf of our very specialization course in Cinema and Television. That and I've got more than a few strings to pull with fellow journalists. Chances are I could even get in as press, and not as a regular fan. They do reserve access for both columnists and professional journalists connected to my field of expertise.
Admitting I could have access as "press", I may even be able to strike a proper interview on the spot (or ask the Comicon staff if there ever was the possibility to do something like that). Don't want to get your (and my) hopes up, though. Let's just leave it at "I may see Toyotaro at our Comicon", for now.

If you do manage to get an interview, ask about the multipliers of SSGod and SSBlue as well.

[Lord Beerus]

Lavenda at best is Super Saiyan Gohan tier. And even that's being a bit generous as even when Gohan was blinded and couldn't sense his energy, Gohan still kicked his ass and easily overpowered him.

[Bullza]

New episode....retcon is looking all but confirmed.

There's a lot of ways you can look at this episode. If we assume Lavender was roughly as strong as Basil and thats before he took the drug then Super Saiyan Gohan who was stronger but not enormously so looks to be weaker than Good Buu as he was in the Buu saga.

That would however mean that Piccolo was surely nerfed.

In the preview for the next episode Goku needs to use Super Saiyan against him and again we'd likely assume that Bergamo was roughly as strong as the other two. Otherwise it means Basil was about as strong as a Super Saiyan 2 but then both of his brothers are like a few dozen times the strength of Super Saiyan God or even just a few dozen times as strong as Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks and nobody would believe that.

So yeah I'd say there was a retcon.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I wonder if this arc will confirm the 2 base theory,

[ChiefWamsutta]

It depends, I guess. They could make autograph lines, a meet and greet, a little convention. I think that there's definitely going to be a way to physically see Toyotaro; and, if anything, it'd be quite strange if they didn't allow any verbal interaction with him.

Besides, I've just skimmed through the tickets page... and it's even better than I expected. I am a columnist for my University. For a cinema and television blog, on behalf of our very specialization course in Cinema and Television. That and I've got more than a few strings to pull with fellow journalists. Chances are I could even get in as press, and not as a regular fan. They do reserve access for both columnists and professional journalists connected to my field of expertise.
Admitting I could have access as "press", I may even be able to strike a proper interview on the spot (or ask the Comicon staff if there ever was the possibility to do something like that). Don't want to get your (and my) hopes up, though. Let's just leave it at "I may see Toyotaro at our Comicon", for now.

If you do manage to get an interview, ask about the multipliers of SSGod and SSBlue as well.

I agree with this idea.

I think the first priority is to ask about Base Goku/Vegeta and Super Saiyan Goku/Vegeta power levels.

The second priority could be to ask if there was a change to Goku's power from Battle of Gods.

The third priority could be to ask about SSGod and SSBlue Multipliers.

[Zamasu55]

Lavenda is weaker than Gohan, he managed to keep up only thanks to his poison.

[TheUltimateNinja]

It depends, I guess. They could make autograph lines, a meet and greet, a little convention. I think that there's definitely going to be a way to physically see Toyotaro; and, if anything, it'd be quite strange if they didn't allow any verbal interaction with him.

Besides, I've just skimmed through the tickets page... and it's even better than I expected. I am a columnist for my University. For a cinema and television blog, on behalf of our very specialization course in Cinema and Television. That and I've got more than a few strings to pull with fellow journalists. Chances are I could even get in as press, and not as a regular fan. They do reserve access for both columnists and professional journalists connected to my field of expertise.
Admitting I could have access as "press", I may even be able to strike a proper interview on the spot (or ask the Comicon staff if there ever was the possibility to do something like that). Don't want to get your (and my) hopes up, though. Let's just leave it at "I may see Toyotaro at our Comicon", for now.

If you do manage to get an interview, ask about the multipliers of SSGod and SSBlue as well.

I agree with this idea.

I think the first priority is to ask about Base Goku/Vegeta and Super Saiyan Goku/Vegeta power levels.

The second priority could be to ask if there was a change to Goku's power from Battle of Gods.

The third priority could be to ask about SSGod and SSBlue Multipliers.

We already know the answer to the second one, if Goku was a 6 to Beerus' 10 then SSBlue Goku and Vegeta would have surpassed him by now, so that's definitely changed.

[Lord Frieza]

I'd personally say base Gohan and Lavenda are about even with the edge to Gohan.

As a SS Gohan is much stronger but he played right into Lavenda's hands using it.

So despite the power difference they break even with a light edge to Gohan.