Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[Chuquita]

Does anyone else think that, originally, the whole "Creation & Destruction" thing was going to be an actual theme of the film, rather than just a method for introducing the villain? In earlier promotional material it seemed like they were putting a lot of emphasis on it.

Another minor thing that I'm a little disappointed with in relation to the film is restricting the fighting to taking place on Earth. Yeah, I know they fight in space but I was hoping Birus's temple/castle thing had more of a role in the film and should've been used for the climax of the film.

It seems like the poster placed a lot of importance on things that didn't actually turn out to be much, such as Uis and the tree, which really disappoints me.

I feel like that was definitely going to be a theme. Like a "prove to me why I shouldn't destroy this world and have create something else in its place" sort of thing.
Or just the idea that Beerus and Uisu would have been planning on destroying the entire galaxy and restarting it from scratch and Goku 'n everyone try to stop them.
Beerus' castle looks beautiful from the few shots I've seen of it; it would've been neat to have the cast sneaking around it or having to adventure through the place for some reason.

I hope future interviews flesh out what the original script was like in more detail.

[Kaboom]

Something I just thought of... the movie's program/pamphlet supposedly printed the "Beers" and "Whis" names in English, didn't it? Do we have a picture of this? I'd like to be able to show something when I mention the name puns on other sites.

[Saiga]

Is the re-appearance of Kaio's planet officially a plot hole now?

It's simply unexplained, at the very least.

In other words, yes.

[Michsi]

Is the re-appearance of Kaio's planet officially a plot hole now?

It's simply unexplained, at the very least.

In other words, yes.

Does this really count as a plot hole ,though? We know that Kami was able to put the moon back together somehow after Roshi blew it up, this could be something similar.

[Kaboom]

The best we could hope for is to get a brilliantly goofy answer from Toriyama about it sooner or later. Until then, everyone go wild with your fanon solutions.

[Michsi]

I was actually thinking if this issue isn't indirectly addressed in the movie somehow, like when Birus punches Goku through the planet and we see King Kai react to that, we'd get something like "Oh no, not again, I just got it fixed " But I think it was already mentioned that there is nothing about it in the movie.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Beers didn't punch Goku through the planet. Goku punched a hole through Kaios planet.

[Saiga]

Does this really count as a plot hole ,though? We know that Kami was able to put the moon back together somehow after Roshi blew it up, this could be something similar.

It should. Because Kaio's planet is there when it's supposed to be destroyed, and there is no allusions to it having been replaced or restored. We can come up with our own explanations but that's just filling the plot hole ourselves.

[Michsi]

Beers didn't punch Goku through the planet. Goku punched a hole through Kaios planet.

Oops

Does this really count as a plot hole ,though? We know that Kami was able to put the moon back together somehow after Roshi blew it up, this could be something similar.

It should. Because Kaio's planet is there when it's supposed to be destroyed, and there is no allusions to it having been replaced or restored. We can come up with our own explanations but that's just filling the plot hole ourselves.

But it's so minor and inconsequential and doesn't actually contradict anything. I never thought that the planet being there was a natural thing to begin with, so it stands to reason that it could made again if King Kai wanted to.

Though I guess this is more about if the writers didn't do their homework properly.

[Saiga]

But it's so minor and inconsequential and doesn't actually contradict anything. I never thought that the planet being there was a natural thing to begin with, so it stands to reason that it could made again if King Kai wanted to.

Though I guess this is more about if the writers didn't do their homework properly.

It is minor, but the planet was destroyed and it appearing the way it did without explanation contradicts that. They could have explained it, but they didn't.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It is minor, but the planet was destroyed and it appearing the way it did without explanation contradicts that. They could have explained it, but they didn't.

There is still hope that Chozenshuu will explain it (though it's unlikely IMO). My explanation is that Goku used the Dragon Balls to revive the planet for Kaio as a present.

As for the Dragon Balls making only one wish instead of three, my guess is that once Dende saw Pilaf collecting them, he decreased the number of the wishes so that he won't do anything dangerous (imagine Pilaf wishing youth, immortality, and world domination!).

Pan's birth date was retconned.

Any other manga contradictions?

[Michsi]

It is minor, but the planet was destroyed and it appearing the way it did without explanation contradicts that. They could have explained it, but they didn't.

That's true , and who knows, maybe there was an explanation in there somewhere, but it got lost with all the rewriting and cutting. But I think calling it a plot hole is too much considering that the story already explained how such it could have happened . Simply put this was more of a "huh, so I guess they brought it back ..." instead of "Wait, that doesn't make any sense!".

[Saiga]

It is minor, but the planet was destroyed and it appearing the way it did without explanation contradicts that. They could have explained it, but they didn't.

That's true , and who knows, maybe there was an explanation in there somewhere, but it got lost with all the rewriting and cutting. But I think calling it a plot hole is too much considering that the story already explained how such it could have happened . Simply put this was more of a "huh, so I guess they brought it back ..." instead of "Wait, that doesn't make any sense!".

I don't think it's too much to call it a plot hole, because it doesn't need to be drastic or inexplicable to be one. I definitely think it's an error on the writers' part, because if they intended for it to be restored I think they would have mentioned as much.

@DBZGTKOSDH I can't remember any at this point. I don't really care either way, though xD

[Michsi]

I suppose it's up to everyone to decide, but personally , a plot hole needs to make me pause and somehow realize it's contradicting something.

[Saiga]

I suppose it's up to everyone to decide, but personally , a plot hole needs to make me pause and somehow realize it's contradicting something.

I know it's just personal opinion, but that phrasing seems a little weird to me. You can miss even a major plot hole, like Cell's nucleus thing, but that still makes it a plot hole.

[VyeRo]

I like to thing the 'Creation & Destruction' theme ties in with Videl being pregnant. On the one hand you have a 'creation', a symbol of life, and on the other hand you have 'destruction', which Beers represents.

[Michsi]

I suppose it's up to everyone to decide, but personally , a plot hole needs to make me pause and somehow realize it's contradicting something.

I know it's just personal opinion, but that phrasing seems a little weird to me. You can miss even a major plot hole, like Cell's nucleus thing, but that still makes it a plot hole.

Well with Cell, that was glaring. It directly went against something established in the story only a few chapters prior, so it's a prime example of a plot hole. King Kai's planet being back doesn't go against any preestablished rules or statements in the story. Knowing that they do have the power to create these planets or at least repair them, with their own means or by using wishes, also helps.

What I meant to say that it's up to each fan to decide how necessary it was for something like this to be adressed.

[Saiga]

Well with Cell, that was glaring. It directly went against something established in the story only a few chapters prior, so it's a prime example of a plot hole. King Kai's planet being back doesn't go against any preestablished rules or statements in the story. Knowing that they do have the power to create these planets or at least repair them, with their own means or by using wishes, also helps.

What I meant to say that it's up to each fan to decide how necessary it was for something like this to be adressed.

Yeah, it's glaring, which is why I used it as an example. It's possible to miss it and I think a lot of fans would have, but it's still a plot hole. Because I was under the impression that you were saying that Kaio's planet didn't seem like a plot hole because you didn't take notice of it.

[TheRed259]

I think that they overdid it with some scenes where Goku (Super Saiyan God) fights Birusu .
The animation there is not proper for an anime but for PlayStation Games .
Don't know if someone else feels that way ...

[Michsi]

Yeah, it's glaring, which is why I used it as an example. It's possible to miss it and I think a lot of fans would have, but it's still a plot hole. Because I was under the impression that you were saying that Kaio's planet didn't seem like a plot hole because you didn't take notice of it.

Oh no, I noticed it . Yes, the fact that King Kai isn't seen on his planet in the Buu Saga does sorta hint towards that he lives somewhere else now. But he still shown to be dead, so it's not like they forgot about the entire event.