Unpopular DB opinions

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

I prefer the Nathan Johnson score over Team Faulconer's score.

Really? Last time I heard, I absolutely detest his score on Ultimate Uncut Edition. It sounds too painful. At least the Faulconer score is a little bit smoothy.

[Hades]

I don't think Toriyama is implying it's okay behavior by Muten Roshi. Dragon Ball isn't even remotely in the real world, so you can't judge things by the same standards as in the real world.

But that doesn't mean we can be creeped out by Roshi. I mean, Star Wars isn't even remotely in the real world, yet people can be creeped out by Luke and Leia's interactions (Granted, their exact relationship wasn't revealed until later on).

[ABED]

I don't think Toriyama is implying it's okay behavior by Muten Roshi. Dragon Ball isn't even remotely in the real world, so you can't judge things by the same standards as in the real world.

But that doesn't mean we can be creeped out by Roshi. I mean, Star Wars isn't even remotely in the real world, yet people can be creeped out by Luke and Leia's interactions (Granted, their exact relationship wasn't revealed until later on).

Uh, yeah, it's incestuous, especially when Leia kisses. It's even worse when she claims she always knew.

The Johnson score may be bland, but I do think it's better than Faulconer's.

[Ringworm128]

I don't see what makes Buu's Japanese voice so great compared to the Funi voice. IMO you have a choice of no menacing fat guy voice or non menacing Elmo voice.

[KingofWisdom]

When I was an ignorant kid, I thought the English dub voice of Fat Buu was hilarious. But now, it's just grating on the ears. The Japanese voice isn't a night and day difference, but it's considerably less annoying.

[DonZ]

Unpopular Opinion: i think Goku is a good father.

[DBZAOTA482]

Unpopular Opinion: i think Goku is a good father.

If you discount the entire Boo Saga, he's not that bad of a father.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

If you discount the entire Boo Saga, he's not that bad of a father.

Why is he so awful in Boo arc again?

[Rocketman]

"I could do something, but I'd rather toss my untrained seven-year-old at the problem and hope for the best even though I think my eldest son just died. Toodle-oo, guys, see you when you die (in a day or so because of my stupid decision)!"

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I think that Goku took the best decision. Imagine a scenario were Goku kills Majin Boo (and let's also assume that Gohan was dead). He kills Boo, leaves, and he stays dead forever. They bring Gohan & Vegeta back to life. And then, the strongest fighters on Earth are SS2 Vegeta, SS2 Gohan, SS Goten, and SS Trunks. If a threat greater than Boo was to come, who would save the Earth? Would Vegeta or Gohan be able to become Super Saiyan 3? Would they be able to surpass Goku? Would that be enough? That's why Goku preferred to make Goten & Trunks stronger than him, to ensure that the Earth would be safe even after Boo's death. And he succeed, since Gotenks became stronger than Goku by achieving SS3, and managed to make powerful special techniques like Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack. The only problem was Gotenks' personality, but that was impossible for Goku to predict.

So yeah, I think that what Goku wanted to do was a very good thing.

[Saiga]

No, what he did was horribly irresponsible. There's no reason he can't kill Boo and THEN teach the boys fusion. Leaving Boo alive is completely negligent as he can't even be sure the boys will learn fusion and beat Majin Boo.

And Gotenks only achieved Super Saiyan 3 and developed the Kamikaze Ghost through RoSaT training, which Goku was against. Without that they would have been horribly killed and eaten by Boo, no doubt about it.

[DBZAOTA482]

If you discount the entire Boo Saga, he's not that bad of a father.

Why is he so awful in Boo arc again?

"I'm gonna let these roid-raged freaks steal my son's energy even though I don't what their intentions are." - Goku
"I'm gonna let my horribly rusty son fight a demon king alone of which I can't determine how strong he really is because it's only fair (my ego needs satisfaction)." - Goku
"I'm gonna save a two-faced liar who stole credit for my son's greatest achievement then denounced our hard work and an Namekian of whom of which I've never shared no more than 2 lines of dialogue with." - Goku

[ABED]

If you discount the entire Boo Saga, he's not that bad of a father.

Why is he so awful in Boo arc again?

"I'm gonna let these roid-raged freaks steal my son's energy even though I don't what their intentions are." - Goku
"I'm gonna let my horribly rusty son fight a demon king alone of which I can't determine how strong he really is because it's only fair (my ego needs satisfaction)." - Goku
"I'm gonna save a two-faced liar who stole credit for my son's greatest achievement then denounced our hard work and an Namekian of whom of which I've never shared no more than 2 lines of dialogue with." - Goku

SO much wrong with this.
He's not letting Gohan come to any permanent harm by letting his energy get taken and they needed to know Babidi's location, and if he thought Gohan would've died against Dabura, he wouldn't have let him fight. I don't think Goku gives a damn who got credit for killing Cell, and they needed the Dragon Balls.

[Saiga]

Oh, come on. Gohan wanted to fight Dabra. And saving Mr Satan and Dende wasn't really a bad thing, kind of dumb because they could have had Gohan/Gotenks help out, but not bad. Letting an innocent die would be equally bad, and yes, Satan is innocent. He doesn't deserve death for taking credit for Cell's death, which the Z team didn't want anyway.

[DBZAOTA482]

SO much wrong with this.
He's not letting Gohan come to any permanent harm by letting his energy get taken and they needed to know Babidi's location, and if he thought Gohan would've died against Dabura, he wouldn't have let him fight. I don't think Goku gives a damn who got credit for killing Cell, and they needed the Dragon Balls.

Goku didn't know about Majin Boo and stuff until after Gohan's energy was drained so it's pretty careless of him because that's like allowing your son to be injected with heroine because the guy you just now realized is the god of all creations told him to. Regardless if Gohan would die or not, it's still careless because he knows well enough that any bit of damage they take would be transferred to Majin Boo's egg and he can't determine how strong Dabra really is (he was treating the whole situation like a game). No Earth means no Dragon Balls, anyways and It's not like he needs Dende for the Elder's discreet. The Namekians were at his debt for saving his people from Freeza.

Letting an innocent die would be equally bad, and yes, Satan is innocent.

Then what does that make Gohan and the others? Evil?

[Saiga]

Warriors.

[ABED]

SO much wrong with this.
He's not letting Gohan come to any permanent harm by letting his energy get taken and they needed to know Babidi's location, and if he thought Gohan would've died against Dabura, he wouldn't have let him fight. I don't think Goku gives a damn who got credit for killing Cell, and they needed the Dragon Balls.

Goku didn't know about Majin Boo and stuff until after Gohan's energy was drained so it's pretty careless of him because that's like allowing your son to be injected with heroine because the guy you just now realized is the god of all creations told him to. Regardless if Gohan would die or not, it's still careless because he knows well enough that any bit of damage they take would be transferred to Majin Boo's egg and he can't determine how strong Dabra really is (he was treating the whole situation like a game). No Earth means no Dragon Balls, anyways and It's not like he needs Dende for the Elder's discreet. The Namekians were at his debt for saving his people from Freeza.

Letting an innocent die would be equally bad, and yes, Satan is innocent.

Then what does that make Gohan and the others? Evil?

He didn't need to know, he simply trusted Kaioshin, and why wouldn't he. He trusted Kaio-sama, and so it wouldn't be a leap to put his trust in the God above him. The heroine analogy is a stretch. This is more like strategically letting a midlevel boss get by so you can get the big boss. He did measure Dabura up and he determined that he was about as strong as Cell. If Gohan had started to lose, which he wasn't, Goku would've stepped in. If he's treating it like a game, then that's a good indication that there was nothing to worry about.

And there's no rule that no Earth means no Dragon Balls. Dende could've made them from scratch. It would've taken longer but he could still do it.

I have no idea what you are trying to get at. Do you think Goku went "There's Satan, it's a better idea to save him. To hell with my kids!" Toriyama could've done a better job of dramatizing it, it seems as though the only reason Satan was saved is because Toriyama knew he needed him for the end. It's a problem with the storytelling, not Goku.

[OmegaRockman]

I thought Goku said straight out that he didn't have enough time to make it to the boys and Piccolo, so he just went and grabbed who he could before the planet blew up. I don't blame him there. You got two seconds before the world blows up and it'll take you three to make it to your sons but one to get some random guy and a healer. Do what you can, man. I kinda wish that Gohan or Piccolo woke up so THEY could grab the others and meet Goku and Vegeta, but I digress. And what about Kibitoshin? The bastard couldn't teleport two seconds earlier and save everyone? If his IT is so much better than Goku's then that shouldn't have been an issue! Damn I hate Kaioshin, and I really hate that his stupidity stayed in the Kibitoshin fusion.

[DBZAOTA482]

SO much wrong with this.
He's not letting Gohan come to any permanent harm by letting his energy get taken and they needed to know Babidi's location, and if he thought Gohan would've died against Dabura, he wouldn't have let him fight. I don't think Goku gives a damn who got credit for killing Cell, and they needed the Dragon Balls.

Goku didn't know about Majin Boo and stuff until after Gohan's energy was drained so it's pretty careless of him because that's like allowing your son to be injected with heroine because the guy you just now realized is the god of all creations told him to. Regardless if Gohan would die or not, it's still careless because he knows well enough that any bit of damage they take would be transferred to Majin Boo's egg and he can't determine how strong Dabra really is (he was treating the whole situation like a game). No Earth means no Dragon Balls, anyways and It's not like he needs Dende for the Elder's discreet. The Namekians were at his debt for saving his people from Freeza.

Letting an innocent die would be equally bad, and yes, Satan is innocent.

Then what does that make Gohan and the others? Evil?

He didn't need to know, he simply trusted Kaioshin, and why wouldn't he. He trusted Kaio-sama, and so it wouldn't be a leap to put his trust in the God above him. The heroine analogy is a stretch. This is more like strategically letting a midlevel boss get by so you can get the big boss. He did measure Dabura up and he determined that he was about as strong as Cell. If Gohan had started to lose, which he wasn't, Goku would've stepped in. If he's treating it like a game, then that's a good indication that there was nothing to worry about.

Still forced as hell. Goku should have at least questioned it but he didn't. He just let's it happen, and during Gohan's fight with Dabra he changes his mind about him being as strong as Cell and says he's a lot stronger (magic). Him treating it like a game is him treating it like a game.

[ABED]

Okay, he trusted Piccolo who trusted Kaioshin. Even if Dabura was stronger than Cell, Gohan was still far stronger than Cell. Unless Gohan was in true danger (which he wasn't to that point) he wasn't gonna step in.