The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:40 am

The "Goku X Vegeta = Vegetto?" discussion either moves to a new thread of its own after this post, or it doesn't continue at all.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by hleV » Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:17 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote: And why wouldn't he instantly realize his power? This doesn't make any sense.
Ask Toriyama. He's the one who made Vegetto not realize that he would beat Boo so easily until after the fact. Again, your argument is ridiculous.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote: And why wouldn't he instantly realize his power? This doesn't make any sense.
Ask Toriyama. He's the one who made Vegetto not realize that he would beat Boo so easily until after the fact. Again, your argument is ridiculous.
Its perfectly normal for a being, in its first minutes of existence, to not fully realize the extent of his powers because he is still getting used to being... well... himself.

Not to mention that he is made of the knowledge of Goku and Vegeta and they had no way to know that their fusion would be that powerful.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Bullza » Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:44 am

Janemba vs Gohan Buu

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:48 am

Bullza wrote:Janemba vs Gohan Buu
I'm going to give it to Gohan-absorbed Boo. The two are on-par in raw power, but I don't think Janemba's going to have any reliable way to completely eradicate Boo and win the fight. Janemba's the one more likely to get worn down and beaten in the end.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:25 am

Bullza wrote:Janemba vs Gohan Buu
Seeing as Janemba got trounced when Goku went SSJ3 then proceeded to beat SSJ3 Goku when he became Super Janemba, id say Buuhan would obliterate Janemba. Going by Gotenks and the difference of SSJ1 to SSJ3, Gohan at the least should be ten times stronger than his SSJ3 dad and was trouncing Super Buu when SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta would have done nothing to him. Now that Buuhan has his own power, Gohan's, the boys's, and Piccolo's, Janemba has no chance.

Perhaps if it was plain Super Buu it would be more even.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Doctor. » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:29 am

Bullza wrote:Janemba vs Gohan Buu
Seeing as how Toei thinks Janemba is the strongest movie villain and Hirudegarn easily beat Gohan and Gotenks, coupled with his strange abilities, Janemba could have a chance, even though I'd still give the edge to Gohan Buu. However, seeing as how Toei bases their statement off of Super Saiyan 3 Goku's strength, which is different in the anime and in the manga, I wouldn't trust it much. Janemba got hit by Goku, something I highly doubt Gotenks or Gohan Buu would. So, Buu is victorious.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:32 am

Bullza wrote:Janemba vs Gohan Buu
Boo wins, easily. He is far too strong for Janenba.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote: And why wouldn't he instantly realize his power? This doesn't make any sense.
Ask Toriyama. He's the one who made Vegetto not realize that he would beat Boo so easily until after the fact. Again, your argument is ridiculous.
Toriyama never even hinted that base Vegetto could one-shot Boo, what are you talking about?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by hleV » Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:11 am

I said nothing about base Vegetto.
Vegetto didn't realize his power, as evidenced in the manga. You're asking me why. Why would I know/care and what does this have to do with anything? Ask Toriyama, he's the one who made the manga. I'm just going by the facts, not trying to rationalize them.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:18 am

And the fact is, only SS Vegetto is shown to be far above Boo. The fact is, SEG says nowhere that the Vegetto's power up was as if the 2 battle powers were multiplied. This is what you assume.

Anyway, I'm done with this.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:01 pm

Bullza wrote:Janemba vs Gohan Buu
Wait do you mean Jamemba as in the the big fat yellow Janemba or Super Janemba.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:18 pm

Buuhan one-shots Janemba. So would Buutenks. Actually, so would Super Buu.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:38 pm

Bojack and crew VS Movie 8 Broly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:40 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Bojack and crew VS Movie 8 Broly.
Bojack alone is probably enough, but he wouldn't win easily. But with the others to help him, poor Broli will get bullied. :lol:
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:27 pm

Bojack alone easily handles Broly.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by hleV » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:19 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:And the fact is, only SS Vegetto is shown to be far above Boo.
Yes. Base Vegetto never even fought Boo.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The fact is, SEG says nowhere that the Vegetto's power up was as if the 2 battle powers were multiplied. This is what you assume.
It does say that. The sentence describing Vegetto directly compares him to BPxBP, contrary to your beliefs. That is not what I assume, that is how one is to interpret a simple statement as that. I'm completely fine with you believing (for some unknown reason) otherwise, though, so take care.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:27 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Bojack and crew VS Movie 8 Broly.
You know I've always considered it the most simple just to have the later villain be stronger than the previous threat. That's why I've always considered it nonsense that Janemba would be stronger than Hildegarn as stated on that defunct Toei website.
So for Bojack and crew against Broly, I have to go with Bojack and crew. I even think Bojack would not need to transform to beat Broly, since he has the help of his crew, who could possibly paralyze him.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:26 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Bojack and crew VS Movie 8 Broly.
Even if it were one-on-one, Bojack isn't just most likely at least a little stronger than Broli, but he's definitely smarter and more skilled too. Broli might have a minor defense advantage because of how much of a friggin' tank he is in his LSS state, but I'm sure Bojack would be able to overcome it. Add in the backup from the rest of his crew (especially with their constricting and power-lowering energy strings technique), and their victory is essentially 100% assured.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:30 pm

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KentalSSJ6 wrote:Bojack and crew VS Movie 8 Broly.
Even if it were one-on-one, Bojack isn't just most likely at least a little stronger than Broli, but he's definitely smarter and more skilled too. Broli might have a minor defense advantage because of how much of a friggin' tank he is in his LSS state, but I'm sure Bojack would be able to overcome it. Add in the backup from the rest of his crew (especially with their constricting and power-lowering energy strings technique), and their victory is essentially 100% assured.
Lets bump it up to Movie 10 Broly then who according to you is > SSJ2 Goku who is > SSJ2 Cell Saga Gohan who is </= SP Cell.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Bullza » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:32 pm

Wait do you mean Jamemba as in the the big fat yellow Janemba or Super Janemba.
I meant Super Janemba.

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