Why Majin Buu is the worst villain in DBZ

[mystic trunks]

I'm not sure why some people are acting like I said the Buu saga was the worst. I said buu was the worst villain. I think there were interesting things that happened, like ssj3.

...But it quite clearly is the worst, though.

Yes, clearly. The character development was quite random.

[Savage68]

It seems like most of the people that think that Buu saga is the worst started watching Dragonball Z, and those who like it started with Dragonball.
Just a conclusion I have made out of posts written in Daizex forums during the years.

In my experience, most of the people that think the Buu saga is the worst are people that have watched or read the series, period. Nn one's bashing it because Toriyama went back to comedy. It was just bad, even when it tried to be serious. The fact that Toriyama was doing crap job of improvising his own story was what caused it to be so god-awful.

*Buu appears*
Kaioshin: omg i could never forget that terrible face!
*Kid Buu appears*
Kaioshin: omg i could never forget that terrible face!

And that whole debacle with the Z-Fighters fighting Babidi's minions causes almost more misconceptions that are used in debates than anything else in the series.

"look dude kaioshin said he could kill frieza with one blow and he was clearly scared of puipui, who base vegeta beat. that means base saiyans >>> frieza. oh and also dabura said that only the saiyans had high power so that means that there also >> piccolo in the buu saga!!1!"

[Piccolo Daimao]

It seems like most of the people that think that Buu saga is the worst started watching Dragonball Z, and those who like it started with Dragonball.
Just a conclusion I have made out of posts written in Daizex forums during the years.

In my experience, most of the people that think the Buu saga is the worst are people that have watched or read the series, period. Nn one's bashing it because Toriyama went back to comedy. It was just bad, even when it tried to be serious. The fact that Toriyama was doing crap job of improvising his own story was what caused it to be so god-awful.

*Buu appears*
Kaioshin: omg i could never forget that terrible face!
*Kid Buu appears*
Kaioshin: omg i could never forget that terrible face!

And that whole debacle with the Z-Fighters fighting Babidi's minions causes almost more misconceptions that are used in debates than anything else in the series.

"look dude kaioshin said he could kill frieza with one blow and he was clearly scared of puipui, who base vegeta beat. that means base saiyans >>> frieza. oh and also dabura said that only the saiyans had high power so that means that there also >> piccolo in the buu saga!!1!"

Plus the glaring inconsistencies like no-one registering the fact that Gohan was alive, despite them using the Dragon Balls to revive everyone who got killed beforehand. And Super Boo turning into Kid Boo instead of turning back into Evil Boo. ???

[Kaboom]

I think folks may be taking their Shonen manga just a tad too seriously.

[Xyex]

In my experience, most of the people that think the Buu saga is the worst are people that have watched or read the series, period.

I know quite a few people who would disagree with you, and who think the Buu Saga is the best part of the entire series.

It was just bad, even when it tried to be serious.

It had some of the best parts of the series. Saiyaman, Vegeta's self-destruct, everyone learning that Vegeta (and Gohan were/)was dead, Gotenks, Ultimate Gohan, Vegetto, Buu and Hercule, and the Super Spirit Bomb.

*Buu appears*
Kaioshin: omg i could never forget that terrible face!
*Kid Buu appears*
Kaioshin: omg i could never forget that terrible face!

And what, exactly, is so bad there?

And that whole debacle with the Z-Fighters fighting Babidi's minions causes almost more misconceptions that are used in debates than anything else in the series.

"look dude kaioshin said he could kill frieza with one blow and he was clearly scared of puipui, who base vegeta beat. that means base saiyans >>> frieza. oh and also dabura said that only the saiyans had high power so that means that there also >> piccolo in the buu saga!!1!"

Ok, that I will agree with, but it's not nearly as bad as GT. >>

Plus the glaring inconsistencies like no-one registering the fact that Gohan was alive, despite them using the Dragon Balls to revive everyone who got killed beforehand. And Super Boo turning into Kid Boo instead of turning back into Evil Boo. ???

That's not really an inconsistency, everyone was just too caught up and stressed out to really give it a lot of thought. I mean, none of them could sense Gohan, and none of them knew that Kibito had been revived, so they all likely just assumed that he'd not been included in the wish for one reason or another.

[Piccolo Daimao]

That's not really an inconsistency, everyone was just too caught up and stressed out to really give it a lot of thought. I mean, none of them could sense Gohan, and none of them knew that Kibito had been revived, so they all likely just assumed that he'd not been included in the wish for one reason or another.

But no-one even made notice or questioned the fact that, despite Shenlong's revival of the dead, Son Gohan's chi was undetectable. I can understand them not sensing Kibito's chi, since the Z-Warriors' chi-sensing skills decide to fuck up every once in a while, but really...no-one?

[Xyex]

But no-one even made notice or questioned the fact that, despite Shenlong's revival of the dead, Son Gohan's chi was undetectable. I can understand them not sensing Kibito's chi, since the Z-Warriors' chi-sensing skills decide to fuck up every once in a while, but really...no-one?

Only Goku or Piccolo would have had reason to look but neither of them even heard the wish that Bulma and the others made. How were they to know the wish should have revived Gohan? Chi-Chi and the rest just took what Goku said at face value. After all, he can sense ki so he'd know if Gohan had come back or not. It's not his fault that Gohan's ki was too low for him to pick up at the time.

Besides, they all had much bigger worries on their minds. Majin Buu was still alive and they weren't really sure how to stop him.

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And Super Boo turning into Kid Boo instead of turning back into Evil Boo. ???

Forgot this before. That's not an inconsistency either. Evil Buu was to Buu what King Piccolo was to Kami. After Kami and Piccolo remerged would you expect Piccolo to turn into Kami if he ejected Nail?

Besides, we don't know what sort of magical reshuffling of power and such occurred within Buu after Good Buu and Evil Buu merged. Obviously some sort of shift did occur or Fat Buu would have never become Super Buu. This shift is likely what resulted in the reformation of Kid Buu with the removal of Fat Buu.

[Piccolo Daimao]

But no-one even made notice or questioned the fact that, despite Shenlong's revival of the dead, Son Gohan's chi was undetectable. I can understand them not sensing Kibito's chi, since the Z-Warriors' chi-sensing skills decide to fuck up every once in a while, but really...no-one?

Only Goku or Piccolo would have had reason to look but neither of them even heard the wish that Bulma and the others made. How were they to know the wish should have revived Gohan? Chi-Chi and the rest just took what Goku said at face value. After all, he can sense ki so he'd know if Gohan had come back or not. It's not his fault that Gohan's ki was too low for him to pick up at the time.

Besides, they all had much bigger worries on their minds. Majin Buu was still alive and they weren't really sure how to stop him.

I still take it as an inconsistency. At least one person should've realized that Gohan was alive.

And Super Boo turning into Kid Boo instead of turning back into Evil Boo. ???

Forgot this before. That's not an inconsistency either. Evil Buu was to Buu what King Piccolo was to Kami. After Kami and Piccolo remerged would you expect Piccolo to turn into Kami if he ejected Nail?

Besides, we don't know what sort of magical reshuffling of power and such occurred within Buu after Good Buu and Evil Buu merged. Obviously some sort of shift did occur or Fat Buu would have never become Super Buu. This shift is likely what resulted in the reformation of Kid Buu with the removal of Fat Buu.

Basicaly, you're saying that Boo's body is fucked up. I can accept that.

[Xyex]

Basicaly, you're saying that Boo's body is fucked up. I can accept that.

Basically, yes. I mean, really. Fat Buu - Evil Buu = Good Buu, then Good Buu + Evil Buu = Super Buu. That, in and of itself, doesn't make a lot of sense. Good and Evil Buu were already merged once, as Fat Buu, so why do they make Super Buu this time? My thought is that things were reshuffled inside him, the Kais shifted into Fat Buu's body inside the pod in Super Buu's body, and thus when Fat Buu was pulled the Kais were pulled out as well, giving us back the original Kid Buu.

[IncompetentOverlord]

Basicaly, you're saying that Boo's body is fucked up. I can accept that.

Basically, yes. I mean, really. Fat Buu - Evil Buu = Good Buu, then Good Buu + Evil Buu = Super Buu. That, in and of itself, doesn't make a lot of sense. Good and Evil Buu were already merged once, as Fat Buu, so why do they make Super Buu this time? My thought is that things were reshuffled inside him, the Kais shifted into Fat Buu's body inside the pod in Super Buu's body, and thus when Fat Buu was pulled the Kais were pulled out as well, giving us back the original Kid Buu.

Wow. That's probably the best explanation I've heard for this little chicken nugget of inconsistency.

[Bussani]

I still take it as an inconsistency. At least one person should've realized that Gohan was alive.

It wouldn't have made any difference. They couldn't find him since they couldn't sense him. If he was alive, they'd find out. If not, they'd wish him back later. It just wasn't the top concern on anyone's minds at the time.

[Savage68]

Basicaly, you're saying that Boo's body is fucked up. I can accept that.

Basically, yes. I mean, really. Fat Buu - Evil Buu = Good Buu, then Good Buu + Evil Buu = Super Buu. That, in and of itself, doesn't make a lot of sense. Good and Evil Buu were already merged once, as Fat Buu, so why do they make Super Buu this time? My thought is that things were reshuffled inside him, the Kais shifted into Fat Buu's body inside the pod in Super Buu's body, and thus when Fat Buu was pulled the Kais were pulled out as well, giving us back the original Kid Buu.

Wow. That's probably the best explanation I've heard for this little chicken nugget of inconsistency.

I thought it was common knowledge.

I think folks may be taking their Shonen manga just a tad too seriously.

Like everyone else on this site.

[TripleRach]

I still take it as an inconsistency. At least one person should've realized that Gohan was alive.

Why? Vegeta also died and didn't come back with the wish, so it obviously wasn't all-encompassing. Aside from not falling under the wish for whatever reason, Gohan could've croaked 10 seconds after the wish was made (which was actually close to happening). Or maybe his body was completely destroyed, and Shenlong couldn't make a new one during such a huge wish, so his soul had nowhere to go. For all anyone in-series knew, anyway.

Why should they assume he has to be alive when there was no evidence of it before or after the wish?

[Rocketman]

Why? Vegeta also died and didn't come back with the wish, so it obviously wasn't all-encompassing.

Shenron had already revived Vegeta back in the Freeza Saga.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I still take it as an inconsistency. At least one person should've realized that Gohan was alive.

Why? Vegeta also died and didn't come back with the wish, so it obviously wasn't all-encompassing. Aside from not falling under the wish for whatever reason, Gohan could've croaked 10 seconds after the wish was made (which was actually close to happening). Or maybe his body was completely destroyed, and Shenlong couldn't make a new one during such a huge wish, so his soul had nowhere to go. For all anyone in-series knew, anyway.

Why should they assume he has to be alive when there was no evidence of it before or after the wish?

Vegeta had already died before, so he couldn't be restored to life with the Dragon Balls. I understand that, because Goku told them about Gohan & Vegeta's death after using the Dragon Balls, they may've assumed that Gohan died after the wish. But between the wish & Goku telling them about Gohan's death, the time is too close for someone to not say something otherwise.

[jackjack]

Basically, yes. I mean, really. Fat Buu - Evil Buu = Good Buu, then Good Buu + Evil Buu = Super Buu. That, in and of itself, doesn't make a lot of sense. Good and Evil Buu were already merged once, as Fat Buu, so why do they make Super Buu this time? My thought is that things were reshuffled inside him, the Kais shifted into Fat Buu's body inside the pod in Super Buu's body, and thus when Fat Buu was pulled the Kais were pulled out as well, giving us back the original Kid Buu.

So where were the kaioshins before Fat Boo got absorbed?

[Xyex]

Basically, yes. I mean, really. Fat Buu - Evil Buu = Good Buu, then Good Buu + Evil Buu = Super Buu. That, in and of itself, doesn't make a lot of sense. Good and Evil Buu were already merged once, as Fat Buu, so why do they make Super Buu this time? My thought is that things were reshuffled inside him, the Kais shifted into Fat Buu's body inside the pod in Super Buu's body, and thus when Fat Buu was pulled the Kais were pulled out as well, giving us back the original Kid Buu.

So where were the kaioshins before Fat Boo got absorbed?

Technically, they were always inside of Fat Buu. But they way I see it is that when Evil Buu absorbed Good Buu it was an external representation of an internal process. With Fat Buu the two Kaioshin were just floating around inside their own pods, like Gohan and the others inside of Super Buu. But when Evil Buu absorbed Good Buu the two Kaioshin Evil Buu, instead of fully integrating Good Buu back into his body (and thus becoming Fat Buu again) 'broke off' a small piece of himself inside of which he stored the pods for the Kaioshin. So now the Kaioshin are inside pods inside Good Buu who's inside a pod, instead of just inside pods inside of Buu. I figure this is why Buu's now able to draw on their power instead of having his power suppressed by the Dai Kaioshin.

[Savage68]

You see what happens in a saga full of poor improvisations?

[Innagadadavida]

The Buu saga was the absolute best saga of the Dragon Ball Z anime, and Majin Buu is the best villain of the entire series.

Were there tons of improvisations? Absolutely. But, this was a common practice with Dragon Ball. Personally I believe the worst offender of random needless improv was the Cell saga. The Buu saga had the perfect balance of humor and action. There was no more gung-ho seriousness and the show was all the better for it. The anime really hit its stride in terms of reasonable filler; I don't remember very many boring moments or dreaded cut-aways in the Buu saga, where as Namek and Cell games was riddled with them. There were tons of cool moves and transformations introduced (Fusion, Super Saiyan 3, Super Ghost Kamakaze, Beam Sword). The SciFi stuff is now mostly absent in favor of magic, which is where the series began. It was the best way to wrap it all up.

And Buu was the best villain because he was a legitimate threat. Freeza was small potatoes and Cell had his own obligations before he started being threatening. Majin Buu is more than just a monster, words can not describe what he is. He has no thoughts, no honor, no needs or wants, nothing but the burning desire for the destruction of everything. Also he was PINK and loves candy! It's a perfect unsettling juxtaposition to accentuate his chaotic nature and over-all absurdity. Even still, he posed a threat to all of existence; Heaven, Hell, Living Rhelm the Kaioshin Rhelm... The God of all creation was shitting his boots over Buu. How epic is that? Way more epic than bug man and hermaphrodite.

[mystic trunks]

How was Freeza "small potatoes"?

Where did you get this "God of all creation"?

Yes, there were lots of 'cool transformations' but they had less meaning than they did in previous sagas. Out of nowhere, BAM, Trunks and Goten are super saiyans... What the hell is that? Also, Goku going SSJ 3 was cool and all, but it is never explained how it was achieved and ultimately, turned out to be a pretty useless transformation anyway.