The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed May 25, 2011 11:52 am

Kirby456 wrote:1. Tenshinhan Cell games vs Krillin Cell Games
2. Chiaotzu end of Z vs Yamcha
3. Supreme Kai vs Piccolo.
1. I think Kuririn became the strongest Earthling after he got his latent power released by the Great Elder, meaning he as a considerable lead on Tenshinhan, and remained the strongest until the Boo arc, where Tenshinhan surpassed with his training while Kuririn had stopped when he settled down with his family. Yamcha does say that Kuririn's the strongest among Earthlings, even aside from talking to Marron, and the last time he would've seen the both of them fighting at full power would be at the Cell Games, so that's where his basis would come from. No-one knows where Tenshinhan is and Yamcha may not know if Kuririn's even been training or not, so it's safe to say that Kuririn may not have kept his lead by the Boo arc.

2. Yamcha, because Chaozu's always been the weakest of the Earthlings. Even if he's been training while Yamcha may not have been, I don't think he would've closed the gap between them, especially when it's just training in the mountains, not any kind of special training like under a god or at high gravity - the kind of training that, even without plot device boosts, would boost your power immensely.

3. Kaioshin's stronger than Piccolo, and with his psychic powers (which he may not even need), he'd be able to defeat Piccolo. But considering that Kibito was considered trouble for Gohan at the tournament, yet couldn't even hold the Z-Sword that Gohan could hold and swing around (and that the common explanation for this is that Kibito's close to Gohan's power, but not in physical strength or whatever), I think Piccolo could at least put up a fight.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by In Brightest Day » Thu May 26, 2011 12:18 am

Nineteen wrote:End-of-Z Krillin vs. Captain Ginyu
I'm one of those guys who have the three main earthlings in the low millions by the Android arc. Buu arc Kuririn > end of Z/old man Kuririn > Cell Games Kuririn. Either way, the entire Ginyu Force can't even touch him, IMO.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kirby456 » Thu May 26, 2011 6:18 pm

Kaboom wrote:
mattymoron wrote:Do you think if Nail had went to fight against the Ginyu Squad with Gohan and co. that it would have made any difference? What was his PL, like 42,000 or something?
His power is equal or slightly superior to the Ginyu goons at best. On his own, he couldn't take all of them. But being added to Vegeta's team against them, he'd definitely make a big difference.
Kirby456 wrote:1. Tenshinhan Cell games vs Krillin Cell Games
2. Chiaotzu end of Z vs Yamcha
3. Supreme Kai vs Piccolo.
1) Kuririn is still the strongest human by the Cell Games. He's stated to be the strongest in the Boo arc, but even if Yamcha's mistaken and Ten has since surpassed him, that wouldn't have been the case when they all saw each other seven years prior. So barring any Kikoho or Kienzan shenenigans, Kuririn wins.

2) Probably Yamcha. Chaozu's always been the weakest of the humans.

3) Kaioshin may be more powerful than Piccolo, but with how much of an incompetent wuss he is, I think an actual battle could go either way.
That's the thing i just don't see how Kaioshin is a wuss. Everyone says this but he was pretty cool he froze SSJ2 Gohan and was just freaked out about Majin Buu who wouldn't be he's a evil destroyer with incredible power and he made Piccolo @@@@@ himself. I don't think Kaioshin could read Ki that's why he over estimated Pui Pui and Yakons Power. I think Kaioshin could easily be stronger then Cell Games FPSSJ Goku or on the level of Perfect Cell.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kirby456 » Thu May 26, 2011 6:26 pm

1. Dabura Vs Super Perfect Cell
2. Dabura Vs Perfect Cell
3. Pui Pui Vs Android 16
4. Goten SSJ Vs Semi Perfect Cell
5. Piccolo Post ROSAT Vs Super Android 13.

Imma post my thoughts on these match ups later.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Thu May 26, 2011 7:49 pm

Kirby456 wrote:1. Dabura Vs Super Perfect Cell
Super Perfect Cell stomps him. I don't think Dabra is a total weakling, but I still think he's no stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan.
2. Dabura Vs Perfect Cell
I think Dabra would win this.
3. Pui Pui Vs Android 16
Uh, #16 would win this with utter ease. I don't think Pui-Pui is that strong anymore.
4. Goten SSJ Vs Semi Perfect Cell
I think Goten is pretty damn strong by this point. Likely above Piccolo. So he would beat Cell here.
5. Piccolo Post ROSAT Vs Super Android 13.
I don't think #13 is any stronger than #16 here, so he'd get owned by Piccolo--who I have stronger than 50% Goku.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by CatouttaHell » Thu May 26, 2011 8:39 pm

Kirby456 wrote:1. Dabura Vs Super Perfect Cell
2. Dabura Vs Perfect Cell
Dabra - 800,000,000,000

Cell
~ Full Power - 600,000,000,000
~ Super Perfect - 1,600,000,000,000

I used to have Dabra strong enough to stomp SPC but I use an additional Enraged multiplier for SSjin 2 Gohan nowadays so that has changed. He'd still rip FP Perfect Cell into pieces though.
Kirby456 wrote:3. Pui Pui Vs Android 16
Pocus - 2,500,000,000

#16 - 2,400,000,000

#16 would probably win. There's an incredibly tiny gap between them and he has infinite energy.
Kirby456 wrote:4. Goten SSJ Vs Semi Perfect Cell
Cell
~ Semi-Perfect Suppressed - 5,000,000,000
~ Semi-Perfect Full Power - 10,000,000,000

Son Goten
~ SSjin - 40,000,000,000
~ Base - 800,000,000
~ SSjin (Post-RoSaT) - 130,000,000,000
~ Base (Post-RoSaT) - 2,600,000,000

Son Goten rapes so hard.
Kirby456 wrote:5. Piccolo Post ROSAT Vs Super Android 13.
Piccolo (Post-RoSaT) - 1,800,000,000

#13
~ Transformed - 1,600,000,000
~ Base - 700,000,000

Same scenario as #16 and Pocus. Very tiny gap and #13 probably has infinite energy so he'd win despite being weaker.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kirby456 » Thu May 26, 2011 8:44 pm

My Manga List.

I have Gohan getting weaker by 30 percent over those 7 years of peace. And i believe he was a Super Saiyan 2 against Dabura who he was equal to. So i believe Super Perfect Cell > Dabura > Perfect Cell.

I have Goten at the level of USSJ Vegeta before the time chamber ater the time chamber i see him getting stronger but not by much.

By my standerds.

Piccolo Buu Saga = 70 percent of MSSJ Gokus power.Piccolo Post ROSAT = Initial Perfect Cell = 33 percent of MSSJ Gokus power. I have the Kids around 40-50 percent of MSSJ Gokus strength a little above USSJ Vegeta so i think Goten stomps.

I see 16 as ripping Pui Pui to peaces.

I see Piccolo as stomping Super Android 13 who i have some what equal to Semi Perfect Cell.

By Anime standerds Piccolo would be much much stronger he was beating a Cell Junior along with Vegeta and Trunks in the Anime. So by Anime future Trunks and Vegeta > Piccolo Post ROSAT >= Cell Junior.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by In Brightest Day » Fri May 27, 2011 12:50 am

Kirby456 wrote:1. Dabura Vs Super Perfect Cell
I believe Son Gohan was only in his first transformation in his battle against the Demon King, so Cell likely finishes this in one blow.

2. Dabura Vs Perfect Cell
Close battle in terms of power, but Cell has Son Goku, Piccolo and Vegeta in his system. He should win this in a reasonably tough, but not overwhelming so battle.

Even if Cell is hit with his spit, shouldn't he be able to just continuously regenerate from it anyway?

3. Pui Pui Vs Android 16
I have Pocus around Captain Ginyu's level, so yeah...

4. Goten SSJ Vs Semi Perfect Cell
Son Goten is as helpless as Android 18 was, unfortunately.

5. Piccolo Post ROSAT Vs Super Android 13.
Android 13 is the first and only Android to lose a fight here, and he loses terribly too. An Android who is close to Imperfect Cell in power with no regen vs. A fighter who is close to Cell Games SSJ Vegeta and Future Trunks in power and has regen. Ouch.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by In Brightest Day » Fri May 27, 2011 12:55 am

Kuriza, the son of Frieza vs. Tarble, the son of Vegeta (Sr).

Who wins and why?

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Post by CatouttaHell » Fri May 27, 2011 1:07 am

Final Form Coola vs. Initial Semi-Perfect Cell

Keep in mind Base Goku in Movie 5 was stated to be be above 100% Freeza. So Coola should be around 6,000,000,000 in his final form.
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Post by Kaboom » Fri May 27, 2011 1:10 am

CatouttaHell wrote:Keep in mind Base Goku in Movie 5 was stated to be above 100% Freeza. So Coola should be around 6,000,000,000 in his final form.
That's a WHOLE lotta exaggerated conjecture...

Semiperfect Cell smashes Coola effortlessly. I have him over 5x stronger in my latest list.
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Post by CatouttaHell » Fri May 27, 2011 1:14 am

Kaboom wrote:That's a WHOLE lotta exaggerated conjecture...
Piccolo should be at like 2 or 3 million by Movie 5, many times stronger than the suppressed form Freeza is always on and Coola tosses him aside like trash without thinking he could have been a danger to Freeza. He then fights Base Goku and says that HE did well enough to have beaten his brother. Considering he never thought anything like this about Piccolo it heavily implies he was referring to Freeza's 100% power IMO.

Things like this are perfectly normal in Toei world. Just look at GT.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Fri May 27, 2011 5:09 am

Kirby456 wrote:1. Dabura Vs Super Perfect Cell
Retcon, clarification whatever, Daizenshuu 7 says Dabra's battle power is equal to Cell's, so it would be a pretty even battle. Cell will probably win, if he isn't hit by Dabra's stone spit though.
2. Dabura Vs Perfect Cell
Dabra would roflstomp.
3. Pui Pui Vs Android 16
#16 would roflstomp, since Pui Pui doesn't strike me as someone on that level. I could imagine him in the low millions Battle Power wise or maybe even as low as Saiyan Arc Vegeta for it to match the idea that Babidi's fighters represent the Big Bads of the previous story arcs eg. Pui Pui = Saiyan Arc Vegeta, Yakon = Freeza, Dabra = Cell.
4. Goten SSJ Vs Semi Perfect Cell
In Daizenshuu 2, this is stated:
Daizenshuu 2 wrote:By virtue of being Goku's son, Goten posses battle power not the least bit inferior to even Gohan.
So I think Goten would win.
5. Piccolo Post ROSAT Vs Super Android 13.
I think Piccolo would destroy him with ease. Super Android 13 doesn't have to be stronger than #16/Imperfect Cell and I consider Piccolo way stronger than that.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri May 27, 2011 12:06 pm

Kirby456 wrote:1. Dabura Vs Super Perfect Cell
Well, since I'm a "Gohan SSj" believer, I think that Super Perfect Cell would stomp Dabra easily.
2. Dabura Vs Perfect Cell
They're more or less equal, but I think Dabra has the advantage with his magic.
3. Pui Pui Vs Android 16
We don't have anything to go on concerning Pui Pui's power, but I place him at around Saiyan arc Vegeta's level. So Android #16 would defeat him effortlessly.
Goten SSJ Vs Semi Perfect Cell
I think Cell would win without much trouble. I think Super Saiyan Goten and Trunks were considerably stronger than #18, but not so much that they were at Semi-Perfect Cell's level. Although I think Goten may be able to hold out somewhat.
5. Piccolo Post ROSAT Vs Super Android 13.
After training in the Room of Spirit and Time, Piccolo was able to hold his own against a Cell Junior. So I think he'd destroy Super #13 easily.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kirby456 » Fri May 27, 2011 2:23 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
Kirby456 wrote:
2. Dabura Vs Perfect Cell
5. Piccolo Post ROSAT Vs Super Android 13.
After training in the Room of Spirit and Time, Piccolo was able to hold his own against a Cell Junior. So I think he'd destroy Super #13 easily.
1. I disagree Dabura was at least close in power to Super Perfect Cell.

2. Not only that but in the anime Vegeta,Trunks,Piccolo were actually kicking the crap out of the Cell Juniors.

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Post by Kirby456 » Fri May 27, 2011 2:26 pm

In Brightest Day wrote:Kuriza, the son of Freeza vs. Tarble, the son of Vegeta (Sr).

Who wins and why?
Kuriza had a final form like Frieza and I doubt he was much weaker then his dad. Tarble was considered weak amongst Saiyans such as King Vegeta,Nappa so Kuriza wins effortlessly.

The thing is.
Cauotta wrote:That's Anime filler. In the manga it was clear he was doing worse than Vegeta and Trunks.http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopic.php?t=17043

What you said there clearly goes against everything else youve stated. You say you go by the Anime but you only do when it doesn't involve Piccolo being at the level of a Cell Junior or the Kids losing to 18. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWWHcQ71CdE. Your hypocrisy is beyond amazing. And you just said Pan was at a high power level since she hit Rildo in the Anime Piccolo was beating on a Cell Junior but i guess that doesn't count cause its Piccolo right?. Remember those Ghost Warriors that had the same power as there counter parts? Piccolo was among them and was actually giving Vegeta trouble he even stated its hard enough fighting these idiots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKHL4UV1-h8.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Fri May 27, 2011 2:29 pm

Kirby456 wrote:1. Dabura Vs Super Perfect Cell
2. Dabura Vs Perfect Cell
3. Pui Pui Vs Android 16
4. Goten SSJ Vs Semi Perfect Cell
5. Piccolo Post ROSAT Vs Super Android 13.
1) Judging from his performance against a rusty SSj Gohan, Dabra is roughly between the power at which Cell fought Goku and Cell's full power. So unless Dabra's got some insanely effective magic trick up his sleeve, full-power Cell would take this.

2) This isn't even fair. Magic or no magic, Dabra doesn't stand a chance.

3) You remember that one scene where that one dude in the 28th Budokai was slated to fight Vegeta and he was all being obnoxious and taunting him like, "lol you goin' down old dude lololol" and then Vegeta was like, "sucka, get outta my face" and KO'd him with one casual backhanded punch? Yeah, that's pretty much what #16 does to Pui Pui.

4) You remember that one scene where Android 16 punched Semiperfect Cell right in the face, but it didn't do jack squat? Yep.

5) The Androids' power in Movie 7 are tough to nail down, but I'll give this one to Piccolo, because Piccolo deserves it.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kirby456 » Fri May 27, 2011 2:35 pm

Kaboom wrote:
Kirby456 wrote:1. Dabura Vs Super Perfect Cell
2. Dabura Vs Perfect Cell
3. Pui Pui Vs Android 16
4. Goten SSJ Vs Semi Perfect Cell
5. Piccolo Post ROSAT Vs Super Android 13.
1) Judging from his performance against a rusty SSj Gohan, Dabra is roughly between the power at which Cell fought Goku and Cell's full power. So unless Dabra's got some insanely effective magic trick up his sleeve, full-power Cell would take this.

2) This isn't even fair. Magic or no magic, Dabra doesn't stand a chance.

3) You remember that one scene where that one dude in the 28th Budokai was slated to fight Vegeta and he was all being obnoxious and taunting him like, "lol you goin' down old dude lololol" and then Vegeta was like, "sucka, get outta my face" and KO'd him with one casual backhanded punch? Yeah, that's pretty much what #16 does to Pui Pui.

4) You remember that one scene where Android 16 punched Semiperfect Cell right in the face, but it didn't do jack squat? Yep.

5) The Androids' power in Movie 7 are tough to nail down, but I'll give this one to Piccolo, because Piccolo deserves it.
3. No Pui Pui gets up in 16s face then 16 makes him have internal bleeding Pui Pui is never seen again.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kirby456 » Fri May 27, 2011 2:46 pm

How about these.

1. Kid Trunks Vs Kid Goten Post Time chamber
2. Fat Buu Evil Vs Kid Buu
3. Drum Vs 23rd Budokai Krillin
4. Tien 23rd Budokai Vs King Piccolo

My Opinions.

1. Goten since Trunks trained less in the time chamber and Goten was much much more dedicated.

2. Kid Buu since he was almost equal to SSJ3 Goku in both the anime / manga.

3. I have these two at around the same level so i'll say Krillin.

4. King Piccolo barley Tiens stated at 250 and King Piccolo has 260 by V Jump so King Piccolo.

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Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Fri May 27, 2011 3:00 pm

1) Trunks. I believe the fight would be similar to their Budokai bout, only with Goten giving him a better fight this time around.

2) Kid Boo. I don't think he would have any trouble here.

3) Uh....maybe Krillin. He did train with Karin and improve a good bit. Not sure how strong Drum is. We know he's stronger than Tien from the 22nd Budokai, but that's about it.

4) Well, Tien said that Goku had improved in power greatly since seeing him 3 yrs before, believing his power was damn near flawless during that time. This shows that Tien held Goku's level of power from back then in high regard, which means he might not have surpassed or reached that level by the 23rd Budokai. It could also just be him reminiscing about Goku's greatness displayed during the battle with Daimao, too. I think Tien surpassed both Daimao and Goku from back then, so I think he'd win after a very tough fight.
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