Pan-Pan wrote:rereboy wrote:As it has been already been explained, not only does it not make any sense for Goku to lie, but it also doesn't make sense for Goku to lie AND for Vegeta to agree with his lie (since he also showed relief when Kid Buu shows up and think that they can take him, and that opinion never changes).
I've already explained the reason why Goku lied. And yes, Vegeta underestimated Boo to the point he thought he could fight him alone.
rereboy wrote:Also, Goku and Vegeta never stated "hey, he has become weaker" but they did state "hey, we can take him now". Can you honestly say with a straight face that what both sentences mean don't end up meaning practically the same in regards to Kid Buu's power?
You assume both sentences lead to the same meaning because you assume Goku told the truth inside Boo. But I assume he lied. Why state "we can take him now" instead of "he has become weaker" otherwise ? The reason is clear : cause you can add "we can take him now... not because he's weaker but because I was lying before".
Hitiro wrote:I got your point, you are saying that the absorptions made him weaker. But you don't get my point. There is no clear plural in Japanese, it can only be an assumption that what Kaioshin was saying was about both Absorptions. He could very well only be on about the one, Dai Kaioshin. Nothing indicates that the South Kaioshin had a negative effect on Boo and from what we know of his absorptions, apart from Dai Kaioshin, is that they have had a positive effect. So the fact is Dai Kaioshin was the only one holding him back and by removing a lot of his influence Evil Boo gained use of the South Kaioshin's power.
I'm sorry but you still miss the point. I didn't say South Kaioshin was mentioned to lower Boo's power, I said that he was not mentioned to strengthen Boo. So you can't come to this conclusion because Kibitoshin didn't state it and he would have no reason to not state it.
Kibitoshin just said "the heart which lowered his power has returned to normal". So the logical conclusion is that Boo is stronger because he's no longer weakened.
But you imagine that South Kaioshin was giving a big power boost to Boo in order to come to the conclusion that, since Sth Kai has been removed, Boo has eventually become weaker, although this is not mentioned nor implied by Kibitoshin. In other words, you're making a baseless assumption to arrive at a different conclusion than Kibitoshin.
1) You've given your reason as to why you think he's lying, but it just doesn't really work given what we see with Pure Buu later on. He knew from the moment that he tried convincing him to fuse with him to beat Gohan Buu that Vegeta didn't want to fuse with him, so the only reason he'd continue bringing it up is if he truly felt they had no other way of winning. It wasn't a matter of doing it just because he wanted to keep Vegeta safe or because he didn't want to use Ssj3, but that he knew that Evil Buu would kill them both if they tried to fight him. If he thought he could win simply with his Super Saiya-jin 3 form, he's going to use his Super Saiya-jin 3 form. It being a last resort doesn't hold water since he was so willing to use it later with Pure Buu and he wasn't that concerned with Vegeta's safety since he let Vegeta go and try to hold Pure Buu for a minute, knowing that if he died, he'd cease to exist forever.
2) Actually the dialogue makes it pretty clear that he thought that they couldn't do anything until he weakened to that state. He proclaims that they did it, and now they finally might be able to manage something. The "Yay! We did it!" goes back to his conversation with Vegeta inside Buu's body, where, after they had removed Gohan and the others, Goku said that Buu's ki was completely different and that they "were almost there", as in, weakening him to a point where the two of them could handle him on their own. Evil Buu was a step in the right direction as far as weakening him, but as far as Goku was concerned, it wasn't low enough yet, but when it came to Pure Buu, they had succeeded in weakening him enough.
Goku saying that they finally might be able to manage something indicates that until he changed to that form, he was certain they weren't able to do something.
My interpretation of it - "Yay, we did it! He's finally weak enough that we might be able to manage something!"
Your interpretation of it - "Yay, we did it! Even though he was weak enough that I would be able to defeat him on my own but felt like lying to you about it and this form of Buu has somehow become stronger, we finally might be able to manage something!"
It just doesn't make sense given the context of what he was saying.
3) The thing is though is you have to look at the context of everything that's being said, and not focus solely on the line. When Kibitoshin is describing Buu's past to Rou Kaioushin, he doesn't give any indication that Buu absorbing South Kaioushin did anything out of the ordinary to him. He didn't indicate that his strength remained the same or decreased or anything, so we can't assume that it did anything else but what happens when he normally absorbs a person, that he changes to a form resembling who he absorbed and grew more powerful. When it came to him describing Dai Kaioushin though, he specifically said how the Dai Kaioushin's purity made him docile and controllable, in essence, altering the pure evil heart he had beforehand.
Why would Kibitoshin say specifically that Dai Kaioushin affected Buu in a negative way, but simply just say that Buu absorbed South Kaioushin, unless nothing unusual happened when he absorbed South Kaioushin, that Buu's body and power changed the same way that Buu's body did when he absorbed Gotenks or Gohan?
And remember, South Kaioushin is more powerful than the Dai Kaioushin, so logically, the boost that South Kaioushin is giving Buu's strength would in turn be greater than the penalty that Dai Kaioushin is giving him.
Just throwing numbers numbers out based on my theories and analysis.
Pure Buu = 100
South Kaioushin = 110
South Kaioushin Buu = 210
Dai Kaioushin = 50
Fat Buu (happy) = 75
Fat Buu (angry)/ Evil Buu = 160
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. Super Buu's power is commented upon explicitly by Goku and Kid Buu's power is commented upon indirectly by both Goku and Vegeta by stating that they can NOW take him, opinion that never changes. So, what exactly are you talking about? 
but because Pan Pan is using logic that is consistent with what was originally shown and stated. I pointed out in the post above, Goku is talking about "Buff"KidBuu's power was increasing once the good Fatbuu was removed from 
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