What are the power levels gt characters on a scale

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Except Trunks sensed initial Super Buu, and said that Base Gotenks post would be enough to stalemate Buu, Goten agrees with the sentiment (yet later when Trunks says Gotenks was equal to Gohan, Goten contradicts Trunks instead of agreeing), and Piccolo senses Base Gotenks and comes to the same conclusion.

If Trunks never felt Gotenks' Ki, he wouldn't have been able to make the comparison to initial Super Buu.

[Hitiro]

Except Trunks sensed initial Super Buu, and said that Base Gotenks post would be enough to stalemate Buu, Goten agrees with the sentiment (yet later when Trunks says Gotenks was equal to Gohan, Goten contradicts Trunks instead of agreeing), and Piccolo senses Base Gotenks and comes to the same conclusion.

If Trunks never felt Gotenks' Ki, he wouldn't have been able to make the comparison to initial Super Buu.

Except Trunks was basing this off of how much stronger they got. So was Goten. Same for Piccolo. And after seeing Gohan in action Trunks didn't want to admit that Gotenks was weaker than Gohan, but Goten had no reservation because it was his brother who he is found of. The fact of the matter is. If Gotenks and Boo are having a fairly good fight and Gohan comes along and whoops his ass then it is obvious Gohan is stronger.

Doesn't change the fact that Goku uses Karin to measure himself against Cell. Evil Boo tries to fight Gohan because he knows Gohan has become a lot stronger but can't tell if he is weaker without seeing him in action. There are a myriad of characters who have misinterpreted their strength compared to others throughout the manga. If they could sense their Ki. Why would they be wrong? I think a prime example is Vegeta vs. Freeza. Then you have Semi-Perfect Cell against Super Vegeta. Then you have Perfect Cell against SSJ2 Gohan. These are all pretty damning examples of if they could sense their own Ki and compare it then why did they think they still have a chance.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Except Trunks was basing this off of how much stronger they got. So was Goten. Same for Piccolo. And after seeing Gohan in action Trunks didn't want to admit that Gotenks was weaker than Gohan, but Goten had no reservation because it was his brother who he is found of. The fact of the matter is. If Gotenks and Boo are having a fairly good fight and Gohan comes along and whoops his ass then it is obvious Gohan is stronger.

If Trunks can't feel Gotenks' Ki, how would he know that Base Gotenks could stalemate Buu? If you're trying to say it's just Trunks being cocky and assuming they got really strong, he would've said something that they could beat Buu in base, not stalemate. Piccolo saying they might have a chance just confirms Base Gotenks post ~ initial Super Buu, like Trunks predicted.

Doesn't change the fact that Goku uses Karin to measure himself against Cell.

Dude, I already explained this to you. You're twisting it in a way that makes it sound like Goku can't measure his Ki (which wouldn't make much sense since he knew he was at half power.)

Goku asks Karin to compare Goku to Karin's estimation of Cell's full power, not the power Cell was currently putting out.

Goku blatantly says that Cell hasn't showed his full power yet and that Karin should have a good estimate.

Evil Boo tries to fight Gohan because he knows Gohan has become a lot stronger but can't tell if he is weaker without seeing him in action.

Already told you, Gohan didn't power up to full power until he was right in front of Buu, and obviously Buu can't back down at that point.

There are a myriad of characters who have misinterpreted their strength compared to others throughout the manga. If they could sense their Ki. Why would they be wrong? I think a prime example is Vegeta vs. Freeza. Then you have Semi-Perfect Cell against Super Vegeta.

Because it's typical over estimation of one's own abilities without sensing Ki. Buu and Vegetto is a perfect example, Buu thinks he can beat Vegetto, later in the fight, Vegetto says Buu was only using his eyes and not Ki sensing, same scenario here.

Then you have Perfect Cell against SSJ2 Gohan. These are all pretty damning examples of if they could sense their own Ki and compare it then why did they think they still have a chance.

If you haven't realized, that's pretty much plot-based loss of Ki sensing (and overestimation as I said above.) To use this example, you'd have to argue every Zet Senshi can't sense Ki, since even they were surprised Gohan could still beat up Cell after sensing Cell power up.

[Hitiro]

If Trunks can't feel Gotenks' Ki, how would he know that Base Gotenks could stalemate Buu? If you're trying to say it's just Trunks being cocky and assuming they got really strong, he would've said something that they could beat Buu in base, not stalemate. Piccolo saying they might have a chance just confirms Base Gotenks post ~ initial Super Buu, like Trunks predicted.

If Boo got 2x stronger and you're half as strong as Boo then getting 2x stronger will place you at a stalemate. It isn't hard to determine that you are twice as strong as you were. If I bench 100 lbs and I manage 200 lbs after training I can say I am 2x stronger. I don't need any sensing abilities to understand that my strength has increased by 2x.

Doesn't change the fact that Goku uses Karin to measure himself against Cell.

Dude, I already explained this to you. You're twisting it in a way that makes it sound like Goku can't measure his Ki (which wouldn't make much sense since he knew he was at half power.)

If he could measure his Ki. Why go to Karin? It doesn't make sense for him to go to Karin if he could measure his own Ki. And why wouldn't he know if he was at about half power? I don't need to sense my own Ki to judge how much effort I exert. Why should Goku?

Goku asks Karin to compare Goku to Karin's estimation of Cell's full power, not the power Cell was currently putting out.

How would Karin even know? Cell hadn't showed anything.

Goku blatantly says that Cell hasn't showed his full power yet and that Karin should have a good estimate.

Goku should be able to judge that himself. Characters without sensing abilities have been able to judge their opponents. Freeza knew he only needed half of his power to beat Goku.

Evil Boo tries to fight Gohan because he knows Gohan has become a lot stronger but can't tell if he is weaker without seeing him in action.

Already told you, Gohan didn't power up to full power until he was right in front of Buu, and obviously Buu can't back down at that point.

So what was that on the Kaioshin planet then?

There are a myriad of characters who have misinterpreted their strength compared to others throughout the manga. If they could sense their Ki. Why would they be wrong? I think a prime example is Vegeta vs. Freeza. Then you have Semi-Perfect Cell against Super Vegeta.

Because it's typical over estimation of one's own abilities without sensing Ki. Buu and Vegetto is a perfect example, Buu thinks he can beat Vegetto, later in the fight, Vegetto says Buu was only using his eyes and not Ki sensing, same scenario here.

I highly doubt it is over estimation of their abilities without sensing Ki. As Vegeta would not do that? And with Vegetto. He is talking about feeling the movement of the Ki. It is all good that somebody can sense you but if they don't know where you are then it is detrimental. He wasn't saying that Boo wasn't sensing Ki. Just that he wasn't feeling the movement of the Ki. Vegetto: "The trick is to feel the movement of Ki." < Feeling the movement of Ki and feeling the size of Ki are two different things.

Then you have Perfect Cell against SSJ2 Gohan. These are all pretty damning examples of if they could sense their own Ki and compare it then why did they think they still have a chance.

If you haven't realized, that's pretty much plot-based loss of Ki sensing (and overestimation as I said above.) To use this example, you'd have to argue every Zet Senshi can't sense Ki, since even they were surprised Gohan could still beat up Cell after sensing Cell power up.

I don't see how the Z senshi being surprised that Gohan had become that strong means they weren't sensing Ki. Would you not be surprised at how much strength he got? Even if you can sense it, it is still a surprising thing. Look at the Piccolo-Kami example. Look at how shocked Vegeta is when he finds out this huge Ki is Piccolo's. It's no different.

[singsing]

Is "because plot" really an argument in the in-universe section anyway?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

If Boo got 2x stronger and you're half as strong as Boo then getting 2x stronger will place you at a stalemate. It isn't hard to determine that you are twice as strong as you were. If I bench 100 lbs and I manage 200 lbs after training I can say I am 2x stronger. I don't need any sensing abilities to understand that my strength has increased by 2x.

Right, Trunks is able to feel that Buu is 2x Gotenks, and getting 2x stronger will stalemate him, so why can't Goku feel that SBV1 is stronger than Vegetto?

If he could measure his Ki. Why go to Karin? It doesn't make sense for him to go to Karin if he could measure his own Ki.

Because he doesn't know how strong how strong Cell will become. He says Cell hasn't showed his full power yet, and that Korin should have a pretty good idea of Cell's full power. That's why Goku went out of his way to go to Korin's instead of just asking someone like Piccolo who was already on the lookout.

And why wouldn't he know if he was at about half power? I don't need to sense my own Ki to judge how much effort I exert. Why should Goku?

You really know when you're using exactly 50% of your effort, or just when you're using less effort? Can you really measure your effort in specific percentages?

How would Karin even know? Cell hadn't showed anything.

Karin literally says Cell hasn't shown his full power..

Goku should be able to judge that himself. Characters without sensing abilities have been able to judge their opponents. Freeza knew he only needed half of his power to beat Goku.

Because Cell hadn't shown his full power yet.

Also, Goku never saw Cell fighting. He only saw Cell standing around, and standing Ki =/= fighting Ki, as proven by Saiyan saga Vegeta, who couldn't even suppress his Ki, yet Goku didn't find out how strong he was until he started flaring his aura and truly fighting.

So what was that on the Kaioshin planet then?

Not his full power, or 'relaxed state' (see Nappa and Vegeta), since Gohan shows his true power here:

Spoiler:

I highly doubt it is over estimation of their abilities without sensing Ki. As Vegeta would not do that?

You're saying Vegeta's not one to overestimate himself? Vegeta was so caught up in believing he had became a Super Saiyan, he couldn't get over himself.

I don't see how the Z senshi being surprised that Gohan had become that strong means they weren't sensing Ki. Would you not be surprised at how much strength he got? Even if you can sense it, it is still a surprising thing. Look at the Piccolo-Kami example. Look at how shocked Vegeta is when he finds out this huge Ki is Piccolo's. It's no different.

They sensed Cell's Ki, they sensed Gohan's Ki, why are they surprised Gohan is stronger?

Is "because plot" really an argument in the in-universe section anyway?

You really think every single thing has an in universe explanation that doesn't involve conjecture?

[Hitiro]

If Boo got 2x stronger and you're half as strong as Boo then getting 2x stronger will place you at a stalemate. It isn't hard to determine that you are twice as strong as you were. If I bench 100 lbs and I manage 200 lbs after training I can say I am 2x stronger. I don't need any sensing abilities to understand that my strength has increased by 2x.

Right, Trunks is able to feel that Buu is 2x Gotenks, and getting 2x stronger will stalemate him, so why can't Goku feel that SBV1 is stronger than Vegetto?

No, Trunks is determining from past experience from fighting Boo how much of difference there was. Not through Ki. But through how they thought him. When they felt Evil Boo's Ki he had gotten X amount stronger. Trunks can offset that by gauging how much stronger they become in the RoSaT. If we have become this much stronger through our training. Then we should match Boo. Ki sensing doesn't have to come into it at all.

If he could measure his Ki. Why go to Karin? It doesn't make sense for him to go to Karin if he could measure his own Ki.

Because he doesn't know how strong how strong Cell will become. He says Cell hasn't showed his full power yet, and that Karin should have a pretty good idea of Cell's full power. That's why Goku went out of his way to go to Karin's instead of just asking someone like Piccolo who was already on the lookout.

Goku said himself "I thought so." So why wouldn't his own idea of how strong Cell is be enough? He went out of his way to ask Karin because he couldn't compare his Ki to Cell's. Just like how Evil Boo couldn't compare his own Ki to Gohan's.

And why wouldn't he know if he was at about half power? I don't need to sense my own Ki to judge how much effort I exert. Why should Goku?

You really know when you're using exactly 50% of your effort, or just when you're using less effort? Can you really measure your effort in specific percentages?

Goku said that was about half of his power. That doesn't mean he was dead on 50% I certainly could put forth about half of my strength when do something. It may not be dead on 50% but it is close enough. If we really want to get into this. Freeza determined the exact percentage of his power without Ki sensing. Explain that?

How would Karin even know? Cell hadn't showed anything.

Karin literally says Cell hasn't shown his full power..

Then Karin's opinion is useless unless Goku actually couldn't sense his own Ki for a comparison.

Goku should be able to judge that himself. Characters without sensing abilities have been able to judge their opponents. Freeza knew he only needed half of his power to beat Goku.

Because Cell hadn't shown his full power yet.

So hadn't Goku when he was up against Freeza. Freeza still determined he would only need half.

Also, Goku never saw Cell fighting. He only saw Cell standing around, and standing Ki =/= fighting Ki, as proven by Saiyan saga Vegeta, who couldn't even suppress his Ki, yet Goku didn't find out how strong he was until he started flaring his aura and truly fighting.

He already knew Cell was stronger according to his statement after Karin confirms it. In the Saiyan saga too. He is only astonished by Vegeta bringing the power to the surface. Not how much he had.

So what was that on the Kaioshin planet then?

Not his full power, or 'relaxed state' (see Nappa and Vegeta), since Gohan shows his true power here:

You are saying this:

Spoiler:

Isn't Gohan at full power? Okay then. I disagree.

I highly doubt it is over estimation of their abilities without sensing Ki. As Vegeta would not do that?

You're saying Vegeta's not one to overestimate himself? Vegeta was so caught up in believing he had became a Super Saiyan, he couldn't get over himself.

I'm saying Vegeta isn't one to overestimate the abilities of someone without sensing their Ki. Because not once is it ever indicated otherwise that he isn't sensing Ki.

I don't see how the Z senshi being surprised that Gohan had become that strong means they weren't sensing Ki. Would you not be surprised at how much strength he got? Even if you can sense it, it is still a surprising thing. Look at the Piccolo-Kami example. Look at how shocked Vegeta is when he finds out this huge Ki is Piccolo's. It's no different.

They sensed Cell's Ki, they sensed Gohan's Ki, why are they surprised Gohan is stronger?

They aren't surprised he is stronger. They are surprised by how much stronger he is. Like:
Vegeta: "I thought he would be strong, but this strong?"
Trunks: "Yeah, I fought if he was a 2 then he'd become a 4. But he's like a 10?!?"

I don't think I'm explaining it well enough. They can clearly tell that Gohan has the advantage. They are just surprised by how much of a gap between him and Cell there is now. Rather than them being surprised that he is stronger than Cell.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Goku said himself "I thought so." So why wouldn't his own idea of how strong Cell is be enough?

He only thought Cell would be stronger than him, he just wanted confirmation.

He went out of his way to ask Karin because he couldn't compare his Ki to Cell's.

So why not ask Vegeta or Trunks (people who actually fought Cell) or Piccolo since he's already on the lookout instead of going out of his way down to Karin's and checking if Karin saw everything?

Just like how Evil Boo couldn't compare his own Ki to Gohan's.

Just like how Vegeta could compare his Ki to Trunks'.
Just like how Vegeta could compare his Ki to Goku's in the Cell saga.
Just like how Piccolo could compare his Ki to Cell's.
Just like how Vegeta could compare his Ki to Gohan's in the Buu saga, and Cell saga.
Just like how Vegeta could compare his Ki to Goku's in the Buu saga.
Just like how Vegeta-Baby could compare his Ki to Goku's.

[singsing]

You really think every single thing has an in universe explanation that doesn't involve conjecture?

That's the entire point of this sub-forum, yes.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

You really think every single thing has an in universe explanation that doesn't involve conjecture?

That's the entire point of this sub-forum, yes.

Please provide an in universe explanation (without conjecture) for: The Dragon Balls only taking 8 months to recharge in the 1st/2nd arc.

[Hitiro]

Goku said himself "I thought so." So why wouldn't his own idea of how strong Cell is be enough?

He only thought Cell would be stronger than him, he just wanted confirmation.

Wouldn't need confirmation if he could gauge his own Ki compared to Cell.

He went out of his way to ask Karin because he couldn't compare his Ki to Cell's.

So why not ask Vegeta or Trunks (people who actually fought Cell) or Piccolo since he's already on the lookout instead of going out of his way down to Karin's and checking if Karin saw everything?

Because they all have pride in their strength. It would just be showing off if he asked them to compare him to Cell. If I was Vegeta of Piccolo I certainly wouldn't want my rival showing how much stronger he is in comparison to me. Also as Karin wasn't a character who was fighting Cell. He could more accurately assess Cell's strength because he can see the strength of Cell and the strength of the person fighting Cell. Whereas Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo could only gauge his strength based on Cell only.

Just like how Evil Boo couldn't compare his own Ki to Gohan's.

Just like how Vegeta could compare his Ki to Trunks'.
Just like how Vegeta could compare his Ki to Goku's in the Cell saga.
Just like how Piccolo could compare his Ki to Cell's.
Just like how Vegeta could compare his Ki to Gohan's in the Buu saga, and Cell saga.
Just like how Vegeta could compare his Ki to Goku's in the Buu saga.
Just like how Vegeta-Baby could compare his Ki to Goku's.

It is simple extrapolation for these. I don't know which Trunks and at what point you are on about here so I'll leave that one but:
Vegeta could compare himself against Goku because he lost to Perfect Cell and Goku demonstrated Ki fairly similar or above what Cell demonstrated. Hence, Vegeta can ascertain that Goku is incredibly superior. Like if Cell was a 4 and Vegeta was beaten by a 4 then Goku being a 4 or above must be better than him.

I assume you mean Cell after he absorbed those people? Simple extrapolation again. If Piccolo is winning from the first fight yet in the second fight where Cell absorbed all those people the difference is huge. Then obviously he can compare. Like if Piccolo was a 3 and he is beating Cell the first time. Cell is below a 3. But the second fight Cell is 4 times stronger than he once was. Piccolo would realise that they were still fairly close in power the first time. So a character who was fairly close in power to you being 4x stronger? Of course you are going to know you don't stand a chance.

Again, extrapolation. Vegeta watched Goku fight and sensed his Ki. He saw that Goku is much higher than Gohan but when he saw Goku fight he could ascertain where Goku was relative to himself through watching him fight. It's the same with Evil Boo and Gohan. Evil Boo may have sensed Gohan's strength but he wouldn't know for certain unless he thought him. Because it is easier to ascertain where somebody stands in strength having watched them fight. Look at Freeza who couldn't sense. He ascertained how strong he'd need to be to beat Goku based purely on the current fight they were having. So if Goku was a 5 and Vegeta watched him fight. He can more or less compare his fighting prowess to his own. That punch is about as fast as my punch. That kick is about as strong as mine. And from that determine that Gohan is below him. Vegeta only said he was better than Gohan after Goku beat Yakon. Other than that he knew Gohan had dropped in strength, he just didn't know where he was relatively without watching Gohan fight or watching someone stronger than Gohan fight. For the Cell scene. He knew Cell was stronger than him, so by extension Gohan was too.

He realised after watching Goku fight what the gap was. He never says anything about sensing his Ki. He just says he realised the difference when Goku fought Babidi's monster.

[Tectorman]

What was the point of Goku having his tail regrown? He wasn't aware of SSJ4 yet (though I think it's supposed to be implied that the Elder Kai expected something along those lines to be the result). So what was he expecting the difference to be when he went charging back to face Baby that second time?

[singsing]

What was the point of Goku having his tail regrown? He wasn't aware of SSJ4 yet (though I think it's supposed to be implied that the Elder Kai expected something along those lines to be the result). So what was he expecting the difference to be when he went charging back to face Baby that second time?

To be stronger. He was stronger with his tail when he was a kid.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Wouldn't need confirmation if he could gauge his own Ki compared to Cell.

Sigh... he needs confirmation that Karin's expectations for Cell's full power is stronger than himself, not the power Cell was currently putting out.. I've explained this so many times.

Because they all have pride in their strength. It would just be showing off if he asked them to compare him to Cell. If I was Vegeta of Piccolo I certainly wouldn't want my rival showing how much stronger he is in comparison to me.

Right, Goku is worried about Vegeta's pride, which is why he flat out says he's now stronger than Vegeta? How is Goku going to even know he's stronger in first place if Goku is oblivious to his own Ki and hasn't even seen Vegeta fighting?

Also as Karin wasn't a character who was fighting Cell. He could more accurately assess Cell's strength because he can see the strength of Cell and the strength of the person fighting Cell. Whereas Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo could only gauge his strength based on Cell only.

I don't see why they'd be any different. Trunks saw and sensed Cell fighting Vegeta, Piccolo is the exact same scenario as Karin, not actually fighting, just spectating Trunks and Vegeta vs. Cell.

It is simple extrapolation for these. I don't know which Trunks and at what point you are on about here so I'll leave that one but:

Vegeta says Trunks is almost as strong as himself, which doesn't make sense if Vegeta has no way to compare his Ki to Trunks'.

Vegeta could compare himself against Goku because he lost to Perfect Cell and Goku demonstrated Ki fairly similar or above what Cell demonstrated.

Which is conjecture, since we don't know how Goku at that point is compared to Cell.

I assume you mean Cell after he absorbed those people? Simple extrapolation again. If Piccolo is winning from the first fight yet in the second fight where Cell absorbed all those people the difference is huge. Then obviously he can compare. Like if Piccolo was a 3 and he is beating Cell the first time. Cell is below a 3. But the second fight Cell is 4 times stronger than he once was. Piccolo would realise that they were still fairly close in power the first time. So a character who was fairly close in power to you being 4x stronger? Of course you are going to know you don't stand a chance.

No, I mean Piccolo came out of the Room of Spirit and Time and knew he was still weaker than Cell.

Again, extrapolation. Vegeta watched Goku fight and sensed his Ki.

What fight did he watch again? Correct me if I'm wrong but Goku vs. Yakon was in the dark?

It's the same with Evil Boo and Gohan. Evil Boo may have sensed Gohan's strength but he wouldn't know for certain unless he thought him. Because it is easier to ascertain where somebody stands in strength having watched them fight.

Or, like I keep saying, Gohan didn't show his full power until he confronted Super Buu, since he's never shown or stated suppressing after he powers up on Old Kaioshin's planet, yet blatantly powers up again in front of Super Buu.

Look at Freeza who couldn't sense. He ascertained how strong he'd need to be to beat Goku based purely on the current fight they were having.

That doesn't need to be so specifically based on his evaluation of Goku. If Freeza's fighting evenly with Goku at roughly 4% of his power, it's not rocket science to figure out that 50% of his power would be multiple times stronger than Goku.

So if Goku was a 5 and Vegeta watched him fight. He can more or less compare his fighting prowess to his own. That punch is about as fast as my punch. That kick is about as strong as mine.

Conjecture, and sounds like straw grasping, since the whole fight was in the dark.

He realised after watching Goku fight what the gap was. He never says anything about sensing his Ki. He just says he realised the difference when Goku fought Babidi's monster.

Because that's when Goku reveals that he has SS2.

[Tectorman]

What was the point of Goku having his tail regrown? He wasn't aware of SSJ4 yet (though I think it's supposed to be implied that the Elder Kai expected something along those lines to be the result). So what was he expecting the difference to be when he went charging back to face Baby that second time?

To be stronger. He was stronger with his tail when he was a kid.

Was it to be all-around stronger (stronger Base, stronger SSJ, stronger SSJ2, stronger SSJ3 still with energy issues preventing him from using the form for long)...

Or was it specifically to fix the aforementioned energy issues?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

What was the point of Goku having his tail regrown? He wasn't aware of SSJ4 yet (though I think it's supposed to be implied that the Elder Kai expected something along those lines to be the result). So what was he expecting the difference to be when he went charging back to face Baby that second time?

To be stronger. He was stronger with his tail when he was a kid.

Was it to be all-around stronger (stronger Base, stronger SSJ, stronger SSJ2, stronger SSJ3 still with energy issues preventing him from using the form for long)...

Or was it specifically to fix the aforementioned energy issues?

Episode 32
Time: 8m25s
Context: Goku and Kibitoshin want to know why they need a pair of pliers
Elder Kaioshin: "Getting Goku's tail to grow out was the purpose of all the training up until now."
Goku: "My tail?"
Elder Kaioshin: "That is the only way to call up Goku's idle power."

Episode 33
Time: around 9m20s
Context: Goku's tail has been pulled out
Elder Kaioshin: "Now Goku's dormant power should appear!"

Episode 34
Time: 7m45s
Context: Kibitoshin is wondering what's going on with Goku
Elder Kaioshin: "As a result of us suspending his training right in the middle, and forcibly drawing his tail out, he is still unable to control his mighty power."

[SuperSaiyanQ]

But Super Baby 1 has the greatest ki Goku ever felt, and Goku's felt Beers and Whisky by that point, since BoG is before End of Z, and GT is after that.

So logically, we can conclude:

SS4 Goku >>> SBV1 >> SBV1 >/>> Whiss > Beers > SSGod Goku

This post has so much wrong with it ! It actually annoyed me LOL
You do realise Beerus and Whis were created AFTER GT ?
Like years AFTER . I doubt they'd gonna remake GT just to state that Beerus is stronger (Or baby if you prefer ) But you trying to justify your point about Baby by saying Beerus and Whis were EoZ and GT happened afterwards made me laugh .
GT is now being treated as an alternate timeline or as AT said 'You pick what is canon' ( he said something similar to that )
I could say yeah but why didn't Frieza go Golden in GT ? After escaping hell ?
I could say why didn't goku go SSGSS against Baby ?
Cause SSGSS was made afterwards . But yeah separate timeline/universe. If you consider them in the same bracket or timeline then you have a lot of plot holes to deal with .

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Can you people really not tell when someone is trolling or not?

[Kaboom]

This post has so much wrong with it ! It actually annoyed me LOL

Regardless of what you think of a post, this is not how we discuss things with our peers on this forum. Please maintain a certain level of respect and tact when responding to someone. That goes for everyone.

[Tectorman]

Can you people really not tell when someone is trolling or not?

SuperSaiyanQ quotes you and responds to it not-entirely-respectfully, no one expresses having any doubt about that post and its nature, and then you express disbelief that someone or some people would be in doubt about the troll-ness of a poster.

I'm confused. Which is the trolling post and where is someone not being sure how seriously to take someone?