I find Goku to be the worst character in this show

[Boo Machine]

Especially if they're going to make Goku's "poison" the center of conflict. Which I hope they do.

Frost's and lavendas poison is water Infront of this poison, pretty much wiping out multiverses here

And the carnage will be fantastic. Or at least fun to watch. Either way, yes please.

[DBZAOTA482]

Yes, he's been married for 20 years (most of the time he's either been training or dead) with another country bumpkin because she basically forced him to. Chi-Chi herself probably also doesn't even know what kissing is, she's a country gal.

I know this but Chi-Chi's upbringing is relatively normal compared to Goku's (minus her father being a warlord) and her concept of love is based on media so she has to know kissing is (the fact she even knows about marriage should be telling). Unless she never made any moves (which I seriously doubt), there's no way Goku can't know.

He was only sorry for the consequences at the end of the arc, when he died. Give this arc some time, will you? I very much doubt they're setting up all this shit for it not to be addressed.

Goku was sorry for attracting bad guys but nobody held him accountable to begin with and he's far from the only one to blame (unlike with the tournament). I would give it them but we're 3 episodes deep and Goku has yet to show genuine regret. Also, going by Super's HUGE wastes of opportunities in the past... it might not happen.
Also...

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Why? I'm not offended or upset, I'm engaging in a discussion.

The fact you went after me, a mere bystander, of all people tells me you're at least a little uspet.

Goku isn't an asshole on purpose either. He's an asshole on accident most of the time.

Most of the time...?!

Yes, and if he really wanted to minimize the number of deaths as you say, then he would have killed Boo right there then teach them the dance. He didn't want to minimize the number of deaths, he simply didn't care if anyone died because he could wish them back. Hell, when he fights Majin Boo and his Kamehameha is deflected, killing one tenth of the population (according to Babidi), Goku also doesn't seem to care.

Using SSJ3 was taking away time from his day off as it was so going full power then and there probably would have left him with barely enough time to do anything let alone teach the Fusion Dance. King Kai even agreed what Goku did there was the best course of action.

Goku doesn't care if someone dies as long as the prospect of being revived exists, as demonstrated above.

Only if it's necessary for the greater good. When Goku and Vegeta became Vegetto, he (and Vegeta) came up with a plan to purposely act like an arrogant jackass to provoke Majin Boo into absorbing him so he can rescue Gohan, Piccolo, and the kids.

Except the point is centered around the use of the word sociopath. And being goaded doesn't take away the other acts of caring.

I agree to the point of Goku maybe should have had a little more reflection of his actions. But even then I can't say for sure because who knows what the future episodes will do. But having a serious Goku is only fun when shit hits the fan. I realize this might qualify as shit hitting fan, but it's only 3 episodes into the arc. Having Goku be stuck in serious mode now would take all the fun out of the character. Then he would be boring.

It kinda does if he's called out for not caring and has to be told to take responsibility.

Goku being battle-craved 24/7 is just as boring as serious Goku 24/7 especially with how much Super plays up that aspect of his character.

Yes...now. But, again, you tried to use Vegeta as a reason they couldn't hunt Gero. Because he is really dangerous and might kill his friends. But now he has no concern with anything except surpassing Goku? Which would mean he ISNT dangerous and they COULD have hunted Gero. But it doesn't even matter, because if Vegeta is dangerous, then Goku can take care of him and they should have hunted Gero if they were so worried about the future. If Vegeta is not dangerous then they have nothing to worry about and they can still hunt Gero. Vegeta is barely a factor here because in either case he is dead or where he ended up. Training by himself anyway. The point of this whole part of the discussion was to see if Goku was selfish and dumb to not stop the android threat prematurely. Which, in either situation with Vegeta, is a major yes.

No, that doesn't he isn't dangerous (Krillin even said Vegeta is very unpredictable) and at any rate, he could become a valuable asset to the team. I'm not denying it's selfish and dumb on Goku's part but I'm disagreeing that it's comparable to the tournament especially because there is no guarantee people will die and Goku is far from the only suspect.

Then Goku has shown clear signs of having a conscience. I wouldn't even buy it practically. Saying he did implies that he was for the tournament even knowing it had a death penalty to end all death penalties. Which isn't true. And you acknowledged that.

But he has yet to show genuine regret for even starting the tournament.

I'm not going to get into the whole "is Gokus marriage a happy one" because that is way too deep for Dragonball. That may go for most of our discussion, but still. The point here is, Kissing is not a determining factor in someones ability to function in society. If Goku is having trouble fitting in, then, again, it's because he is from an alien race that likes to punch things that was raised in the woods (and if you want you can even throw in the whole "Dropped on his head" thing as well). Not because of his lack of lip skills.

It doesn't... but him NOT knowing what kissing is just shows what kind of "man" he is.

How was it implied he wasn't there for Chi Chi? The only thing I can think of is the "Looks like you ate too much" joke. Which at best is a dumb joke by Goku and at worst just Goku being too much of an idiot to pick it up right away. It doesn't "imply" anything unless you just want to overthink a dumb joke. With Goten. Yeah, he wasn't there. Death has a way of holding up people from obligations. Even with Vegeta being there, what exactly is Vegeta doing that's so much better. He is there. But thats about it. Because Goku just "Being around" doesn't make him a good family man to a lot of people. Does hanging around count for anything or not? Because that's currently all vegeta is doing.

I'm well-aware it's a joke but it doesn't make it any less shit because it's filled with unfortunate implications and makes Goku look bad. Again, Goku suggests pregnancy is a woman's dilemma and they should deal with it on their own (he says Vegeta shouldn't care because he isn't the one pregnant). What Vegeta is doing... I dunno, but the fact he made it on his word to be there for her is definitely something.

Oh yeah, I forgot about Goten. Goku even casually brings up the fact he was dead when Goten was born......... I think I'm gonna be sick.

I'm making too much of this? The only reason I'm even discussing this at all is because you imply sociopathy and really "dark implications" to Goku choosing not to drop everything he is doing to hang around bulma. Otherwise I would have never given it a second thought. Like I'm sure most people wouldnt have. And Kanassa makes a good point. Goku stayed and chatted a bit with bulma. They just talked, it was nice. He even offered some of his food for Whis. Yes, he forgot it was for Whis, but still his first thought was to give away his training tokens to bulma to be nice. Goten had to tell him to keep them. It may not be most supportive man in the world material. But he still shows some support. He could have just spent the whole time with Vegeta, or in the yard getting ready for training.

Just stop it. I never said Goku should drop everything to be around Bulma... but Goku pretty much told Vegeta (her husband) to ditch Bulma, which is why I said he didn't seem to care.

He can also just train with Vegeta in the yard.

I'm unsure what his is about or even if it's directed at me.

It's directed towards Super... the thing you and Doctor. should be mad at for encouraging the harmful mindsets people have throughout the fandom instead of me.

[Kanassa]

The fact you went after me, a mere bystander, of all people tells me you're at least a little uspet.

When you say shit like this, you have little to no ground to say that Doctor needs to grow a thicker skin for defending his point.

[Doctor.]

I know this but Chi-Chi's upbringing is relatively normal compared to Goku's (minus her father being a warlord) and her concept of love is based on media so she has to know kissing is (the fact she even knows about marriage should be telling). Unless she never made any moves (which I seriously doubt), there's no way Goku can't know.

So now we're just going into the realm of assumptions. Goku's an alien, both of them had pretty trashy childhoods compared to most people, and Chi-Chi is a prude. It's one thing not to like it, but this is completely believable.

Goku was sorry for attracting bad guys but nobody held him accountable to begin with and he's far from the only one to blame (unlike with the tournament). I would give it them but we're 3 episodes deep and Goku has yet to show genuine regret. Also, going by Super's HUGE wastes of opportunities in the past... it might not happen.
Also...

Goku's not culpable for the tournament's harsh rules, again. He's accountable for ignoring Beerus' advice and only that.

I don't know what you're talking about. Goku has apologized and has asked Beerus if he should talk to the Omni-king and ask him to remove the rule, or did you somehow miss that episode?

Goku being sorry at the very end when they're getting his asses kicked doesn't make your point any better. Again, wait until the end of the arc before you can claim he doesn't care about the consequences.

The fact you went after me, a mere bystander, of all people tells me you're at least a little uspet.

Uh, what? You should go re-read our conversation again, friend. You replied to me first.

Using SSJ3 was taking away time from his day off as it was so going full power then and there probably would have left him with barely enough time to do anything let alone teach the Fusion Dance. King Kai even agreed what Goku did there was the best course of action.

Refresh my memory, because this part of the Boo arc is a bit hazy to me, but didn't Goku use SS3 first and only then did he teach the fusion dance to the kids? Which means he still would have had time.

Only if it's necessary for the greater good. When Goku and Vegeta became Vegetto, he (and Vegeta) came up with a plan to purposely act like an arrogant jackass to provoke Majin Boo into absorbing him so he can rescue Gohan, Piccolo, and the kids.

It's likely that, if he loses, the Omni-king would just erase U7 because Goku disappointed him, so he absolutely cannot afford to lose. Thus, winning the tournament would be for the greater good because he'd revive everyone anyway. I'm working on assumptions here, of course, but you too don't have much of a leg to stand on since you're basing your argument off of an episode summary and two titles.

[Kanassa]

but you too don't have much of a leg to stand on since you're basing your argument off of an episode summary and two titles.

It's also good to add that the summary in question IN NO WAY talks about how Goku reacts, just the stakes of his fight. So, this:

A spoiler for Episode 81 reveals Goku would rather let the 11 universes get destroyed then accept losing so... not really.

Is being extremely dishonest.

[Boo Machine]

It kinda does if he's called out for not caring and has to be told to take responsibility.

Goku being battle-craved 24/7 is just as boring as serious Goku 24/7 especially with how much Super plays up that aspect of his character.

One instance doesn't erase anything else he has done.

You're right. And it's fine if you feel that way. But the argument was over the use of the word sociopath initially. And that using it was just extreme and silly.

No, that doesn't he isn't dangerous (Krillin even said Vegeta is very unpredictable) and at any rate, he could become a valuable asset to the team. I'm not denying it's selfish and dumb on Goku's part but I'm disagreeing that it's comparable to the tournament especially because there is no guarantee people will die and Goku is far from the only suspect.

Well that's all I'm trying to get at. It's dumb and selfish on both situation and both aren't 100% Gokus fault. The tournament may have a bigger body count, but with the tourny he had no intention of risking anybody, where in the case of Gero, he knew very much what he was risking. Because he was told as much just like he was told in the tourny. Both times he didn't listen and the point I was trying to make is that Goku didn't become a wildy different character.

But he has yet to show genuine regret for even starting the tournament

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You're right. But if he is allowed to show regret at a latter time in situations like letting Vegeta go, then I say we should wait to see what the rest of this arc brings instead of throwing the word sociopath at any character that doesn't line up with what we believe a normal person would do.

It doesn't... but him NOT knowing what kissing is just shows what kind of "man" he is.

Yeah. An alien one. And idiotic one. Not a sociopath.

I'm well-aware it's a joke but it doesn't make it any less shit because it's filled with unfortunate implications and makes Goku look bad. Again, Goku suggests pregnancy is a woman's dilemma and they should deal with it on their own (he says Vegeta shouldn't care because he isn't the one pregnant). What Vegeta is doing... I dunno, but the fact he made it on his word to be there for her is definitely something.

Oh yeah, I forgot about Goten. Goku even casually brings up the fact he was dead when Goten was born......... I think I'm gonna be sick.

It implies nothing unless you overthink it, and Goku suggests nothing of the sort. Bulma has a ton of people to help her. Something Goku can see for himself when he enters the building. He didn't say Vegeta shoudlnt care. He just asked why it matter if he is there. Which again, just makes him an idiot. Does Vegeta being there mean something? Because no one gives Goku the courtesy when he stays with his family. Does he have to make a declaration to sell it?

Why is the Goten thing a big deal. It wasn't a new revelation. It's something we knew. He wasn't there. Because death. I hope you're not holding death against Goku. And so what if he brought it up so casually. What do you expect him to do? Get sombre and regretful? What would that do, or even prove in that situation? It would change nothing. He stated a fact. That's it.

Just stop it. I never said Goku should drop everything to be around Bulma... but Goku pretty much told Vegeta (her husband) to ditch Bulma, which is why I said he didn't seem to care.

He can also just train with Vegeta in the yard.

I'd be happy to stop it. But you keep using that point as some kind of reason that makes goku to seem like a sociopath. Which is just reaching. Asking vegeta why it's important for him to stay just makes him, again, an idiot. Not a sociopath.

Vegeta doesn't want to train. That's the whole point. If he did want to train. He would be in the gravity room.

It's directed towards Super... the thing you and Doctor. should be mad at for encouraging the harmful mindsets people have throughout the fandom instead of me.

Super doesn't encourage anything that wasn't already apart of Gokus character. Those "memes" you spoke of already existed way before Super was a thing, and for a reason. It exaggerates or doesn't present some of Gokus traits very well, but it doesn't make Goku a different character. So there is nothing to be mad at besides some bad writing.

But again, the whole point is Goku is not a sociopath, and as I've said, trying to make him out to be one is probably one of the silliest things I've seen Dragonball fans do.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Using SSJ3 was taking away time from his day off as it was so going full power then and there probably would have left him with barely enough time to do anything let alone teach the Fusion Dance. King Kai even agreed what Goku did there was the best course of action.

Refresh my memory, because this part of the Boo arc is a bit hazy to me, but didn't Goku use SS3 first and only then did he teach the fusion dance to the kids? Which means he still would have had time.

He used SSJ3 twice in the anime, the second time was to show it off to the kids, I'm pretty sure he only did it against Buu in the manga.

[Lord Beerus]

Using SSJ3 was taking away time from his day off as it was so going full power then and there probably would have left him with barely enough time to do anything let alone teach the Fusion Dance. King Kai even agreed what Goku did there was the best course of action.

Refresh my memory, because this part of the Boo arc is a bit hazy to me, but didn't Goku use SS3 first and only then did he teach the fusion dance to the kids? Which means he still would have had time.

He used SSJ3 twice in the anime, the second time was to show it off to the kids, I'm pretty sure he only did it against Buu in the manga.

Yes, Goku used SSJ3 twice in the anime but only used SSJ3 once in the manga before going back to the afterlife.

[Lord Frieza]

Well......Episode 80 took the wind out of this threads sails didn't it.

[TheMikado]

Well......Episode 80 took the wind out of this threads sails didn't it.

Not really, we don't know the circumstances of how the decision that there are too many universes was made.
Was it after the Zamasu arc when the Zen'os met? Because a Trunks came from a future where the universe wasn't destroyed but according to the new information that universe would have definitely been on the chopping block based on ranking.

[Freeza9000]

To those that say that Goku's entirely responsible for all the casualties that'll most likely occur in the tournament arc, this should shut them up. Though admittedly I was part of the bandwagon of people that thought that it was Goku's fault
[spoiler][/spoiler]

[DBZAOTA482]

Well that's all I'm trying to get at. It's dumb and selfish on both situation and both aren't 100% Gokus fault. The tournament may have a bigger body count, but with the tourny he had no intention of risking anybody, where in the case of Gero, he knew very much what he was risking. Because he was told as much just like he was told in the tourny. Both times he didn't listen and the point I was trying to make is that Goku didn't become a wildy different character.

He's not wildly different but he's definitely flanderized and I don't see how you can deny this.

The tournament is 100% on Goku. He was warned by Beerus and Whis not to associate with Zeno but he ignored them and give Zeno the idea of the tournament anyways. Even if he didn't plan on having everyone die, he still initiated the entire event.

You're right. But if he is allowed to show regret at a latter time in situations like letting Vegeta go, then I say we should wait to see what the rest of this arc brings instead of throwing the word sociopath at any character that doesn't line up with what we believe a normal person would do.

Maybe... and it better lead to something.

Yeah. An alien one. And idiotic one. Not a sociopath.

Vegeta is just as much of an alien and he know what kissing is so "idiotic" is putting things lightly. More like retarded, at best.

It implies nothing unless you overthink it, and Goku suggests nothing of the sort. Bulma has a ton of people to help her. Something Goku can see for himself when he enters the building. He didn't say Vegeta shoudlnt care. He just asked why it matter if he is there. Which again, just makes him an idiot. Does Vegeta being there mean something? Because no one gives Goku the courtesy when he stays with his family. Does he have to make a declaration to sell it?

Why is the Goten thing a big deal. It wasn't a new revelation. It's something we knew. He wasn't there. Because death. I hope you're not holding death against Goku. And so what if he brought it up so casually. What do you expect him to do? Get sombre and regretful? What would that do, or even prove in that situation? It would change nothing. He stated a fact. That's it.

The fact Vegeta chose to support Bulma when she's pregnant instead of going off training somewhere is the thing and he did say Vegeta shouldn't care.

He shouldn't sulk or brood about it yes, but he shouldn't be all cheerful when telling Vegeta he was death. He should simply try to maintain his innocence which is actually more in character.

I'd be happy to stop it. But you keep using that point as some kind of reason that makes goku to seem like a sociopath. Which is just reaching. Asking vegeta why it's important for him to stay just makes him, again, an idiot. Not a sociopath.

Vegeta doesn't want to train. That's the whole point. If he did want to train. He would be in the gravity room.

But you're accusing me of calling Goku a sociopath when I never did so you should back off and questioning why Vegeta would even stay is not being an idiot... it's being a fucking asshole.

Super doesn't encourage anything that wasn't already apart of Gokus character. Those "memes" you spoke of already existed way before Super was a thing, and for a reason.

Yes, and the reason is that the haters aren't people worth speaking to at all. It certainly encourages the stigma that Goku is some mentally challenged person (even though he's not) or some selfish asshole manchild who barely gives a shit about his family while Vegeta is so much better despite the two having practically the same priorities in the original series.

It exaggerates or doesn't present some of Gokus traits very well, but it doesn't make Goku a different character. So there is nothing to be mad at besides some bad writing.

The blatant lack of profession and quality effort, which even Toriyama publicly complained about, is definitely to be mad about

So now we're just going into the realm of assumptions. Goku's an alien, both of them had pretty trashy childhoods compared to most people, and Chi-Chi is a prude. It's one thing not to like it, but this is completely believable.

She believe she had to marry Goku after kicking her crotch and did you see what she wore as a kid? Definitely not the act of a prude, not to mention she had no problems with displaying affection in public (see the end of Chapter 171).

Goku's not culpable for the tournament's harsh rules, again. He's accountable for ignoring Beerus' advice and only that.

I don't know what you're talking about. Goku has apologized and has asked Beerus if he should talk to the Omni-king and ask him to remove the rule, or did you somehow miss that episode?

Goku being sorry at the very end when they're getting his asses kicked doesn't make your point any better. Again, wait until the end of the arc before you can claim he doesn't care about the consequences.

Yes he is culpable. Goku initiated the tournament by going to Zeno about it, and openly defying Beerus and Whis when they told him not to. The universes even put all the blame on him for the tournament.

And yes... I'm aware of that.

Uh, what? You should go re-read our conversation again, friend. You replied to me first.

Yes, but you've just disagreed. Instead you made me your main target when TekTheNinja was the one who called Goku in Super a sociopath and TheMikado also seems to share that sentiment but nope, I'm the bad guy for simply saying that the label doesn't come completely out of nowhere.

Refresh my memory, because this part of the Boo arc is a bit hazy to me, but didn't Goku use SS3 first and only then did he teach the fusion dance to the kids? Which means he still would have had time.

Goku still had plenty of powers in reserves with SSJ3. In fact, he never showed his true strength till the fight with Kid Boo but he underestimated how much ki SSJ3 would drain. If Goku had the time to defeat Fat Boo and teach the kids the Fusion Dance then he probably would have done.

It's likely that, if he loses, the Omni-king would just erase U7 because Goku disappointed him, so he absolutely cannot afford to lose. Thus, winning the tournament would be for the greater good because he'd revive everyone anyway. I'm working on assumptions here, of course, but you too don't have much of a leg to stand on since you're basing your argument off of an episode summary and two titles.

Or he can put up a good fight then lose so nobody dies...

[Alee9977]

So... Is somebody changing the thread's title or he is still the worst character?

[TekTheNinja]

Rooting for serial ch**d r*pists is what fictional works do all the time.

Are you actually insane? Stuff like that hardly ever happens and when it does, it's frowned upon because NO ONE COULD ROOT FOR SUCH AN IRREDEEMABLE PERSON. Also did you really just censor that?

The Dragon Ball that Toriyama Akira writes isn't about teaching simple morals, it's about indulging in everything society tells you is wrong within the safety of fiction.

Dragon Ball is not Grand Theft Auto. Seriously, what's wrong with you?

Just as one wants to see Ikari Shinji happy*, one wants to see him suffer. One wants to see him act out on all his negative emotions until finally he has destroyed and killed everything. This is why the 1997 film Shin Seiki Evangelion Gekijou-ban: Ea/Magokoro o, Kimi ni is so cathartic. Conversely, to see Gokuu so carefreely cause death and mayhem or Blooma complain about how nobody appreciates her sexiness and genius is also a form of release. One wants to see these characters get dirtier and dirtier.

*Preferably with a tsun-tsun housewife Asuka by his side!

Now you're just over complicating things. Goku is supposed to be a character you root for and nobody wants to root for him when he's being even more of an uncaring asshole than usual. It's not cathartic to see Goku being an asshole, it's annoying. And don't ever even compare something like DBS Goku to a well written character like Shinji. There's no comparison.

[Cipher]

If Goku's let off the hook for this, it's going to be a massive letdown, narratively.

Implicating him in the choice to hold the tournament was the most interesting thing about this whole setup.

Are you actually insane? Stuff like that hardly ever happens and when it does, it's frowned upon because NO ONE COULD ROOT FOR SUCH AN IRREDEEMABLE PERSON. Also did you really just censor that?

I see someone isn't a fan of Nobakov's lesser known Lolita 2: Humbert Humbert's Spring Break Ch**d R*ping B**gal**.

[Freeza9000]

If Goku's let off the hook for this, it's going to be a massive letdown, narratively.

Implicating him in the choice to hold the tournament was the most interesting thing about this whole setup.

I'm pretty sure other gods would still berate Goku for the tournament.

Goku is supposed to be a character you root for and nobody wants to root for him when he's being even more of an uncaring asshole than usual. It's not cathartic to see Goku being an asshole, it's annoying.

You do realize that Goku's not entirely responsible for the tournament and that this was gonna happen regardless.

[Boo Machine]

He's not wildly different but he's definitely flanderized and I don't see how you can deny this.

I don't deny it. That's why I say multiple times his characteristics are exaggerated. But glad to see we're on the same page that it's the same character then.

The tournament is 100% on Goku. He was warned by Beerus and Whis not to associate with Zeno but he ignored them and give Zeno the idea of the tournament anyways. Even if he didn't plan on having everyone die, he still initiated the entire event.

He is responsible for the tournament happening but not for the rules. Sharing partial blame is fair. Not the whole thing because, again, there are many other instances caused by him in the original and very rarely do I see people place the blame on him alone.

Vegeta is just as much of an alien and he know what kissing is so "idiotic" is putting things lightly. More like retarded, at best.

Vegeta is also clearly smarter than Goku and has a different developed character. So yeah. Goku is an idiot. Again, glad to see where on the same page.

The fact Vegeta chose to support Bulma when she's pregnant instead of going off training somewhere is the thing and he did say Vegeta shouldn't care.

Support by staying as far away from her as possible while still being within eye sight. Man of the year. Fair enough with the video. But like I said. It just shows Goku nature of not getting social norms.

He shouldn't sulk or brood about it yes, but he shouldn't be all cheerful when telling Vegeta he was death. He should simply try to maintain his innocence which is actually more in character.

What does "Maintain his innocence" even mean? He just stated a fact. A pretty funny fact given where he is now. Not many people can say they were dead for their childs birth but at least they're here now.

But you're accusing me of calling Goku a sociopath when I never did so you should back off and questioning why Vegeta would even stay is not being an idiot... it's being a fucking asshole.

You said you could see why people would call Goku a sociopath and I disagreed that, that was even a reasonable thought. Thus the birth of a discussion that went on for days. And that's it. A discussion. No need to back off because I'm not attacking you. I'm just confused by your logic.

You're right. It is being an asshole. Goku can be an asshole. And you don't think he is a sociopath. So for the 3rd time, glad we're on the same page.

Yes, and the reason is that the haters aren't people worth speaking to at all. It certainly encourages the stigma that Goku is some mentally challenged person (even though he's not) or some selfish asshole manchild who barely gives a shit about his family while Vegeta is so much better despite the two having practically the same priorities in the original series.

Haters are very much worth speaking to. They have a perspective you might not and it's kind of fun to learn them. So it basically encourages the traits that Goku is known for but exaggerated them in a way fans don't appreciate? Like I've been saying. This is a really good page. I'm liking it a lot.

The blatant lack of profession and quality effort, which even Toriyama publicly complained about, is definitely to be mad about

Fair.

[Basako]

Two cosiderations.

One. So Zeno had already decided that he was gonna erase universes 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10 and 11. Goku reminding Zeno about the tournament has really given a chance to at least one of them and probably more. Unpredictable was for the better in this case, Goku did good.

Two. What a selfish, asshole, sociopath is Gohan, knowing how unpredictable is Zeno and the menace of erasing universes, he puts his pride over this and refuses to take a senzu bean. He would have won easily with it, he almost loosed. This are the standards of some people here, not mine. Well done, Gohan!

[SansrivaaL]

Two. What a selfish, asshole, sociopath is Gohan, knowing how unpredictable is Zeno and the menace of erasing universes, he puts his pride over this and refuses to take a senzu bean. He would have won easily with it, he almost loosed. This are the standards of some people here, not mine. Well done, Gohan!

Agree'd, Gohan's a fcking sociopath, we are talking about entertaining the midgets that are out to destroy our universe, and he dares fight a battle without using a senzu that can utmost guarantee his sure victory? Gohan's a fcking idiot, 2nd worst character like ever.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Gohan is officially the new worst character of this show, I can't believe they're focusing on a sociopath like him.