Would the Dragon Ball series be more respected if Z didn't exist?

[sintzu]

Now I think you are looking for reasons to disagree.

What if someone just liked what he knew about DB and just wanted to watch or read that, would you tell them in order to get a full experience they'd have to go through Z as well ?

What serialized shows do you watch that you don't from beginning?

I started the Resdident evil games from 4, the Witcher games from 3, GTA from Vice City, Assassin's Creed from 2, the batman comics from 2011's snyder run and so on.

It seems you are adamantly against people watching the whole Dragon Ball.

I've said multiple times that every DB fan should watch the 1st part at least once but if you show a potential new viewer an image of DB and an image of Z and they don't care about DB but they do Z then that's what they should watch first.

I've tried forcing myself to start from the beginning on certain things and I just ended up losing interest in the product. If watching DB from the beginning is going to turn away a potential viewer then they shouldn't start there.

I'm not the only one who thinks DB doesn't have what it takes to bring in new viewers, the companies behind the franchise do as well so there's truth to it cause if not then they wouldn't be ignoring it to the point where they act like it doesn't exist

[MasenkoHA]

Funimation redubbed (dubbed for the first time?) Curse of the Blood Red Rubies in 2010 with their current cast.

The recent boxset with all 4 Dragon Ball movies isnt hard to find in retail stores.


Is Funimation really pretending Dragon Ball doesn't exist? Z is far more popular than Dragon Ball and as such gets preferential treatment but Funimation isn't exactly treating Dragon Ball like Disney treats say..The Black Cauldron.


Even Kai while skipping Dragon Ball (and you can argue Kai was made with the knowledge most of its target demo never saw Dragon Ball) still recapped its events.

[ABED]

Now I think you are looking for reasons to disagree.

What if someone just liked what he knew about DB and just wanted to watch or read that, would you tell them in order to get a full experience they'd have to go through Z as well ?

What serialized shows do you watch that you don't from beginning?

I started the Resdident evil games from 4, the Witcher games from 3, GTA from Vice City, Assassin's Creed from 2, the batman comics from 2011's snyder run and so on.

It seems you are adamantly against people watching the whole Dragon Ball.

I've said multiple times that every DB fan should watch the 1st part at least once but if you show a potential new viewer an image of DB and an image of Z and they don't care about DB but they do Z then that's what they should watch first.

I've tried forcing myself to start from the beginning on certain things and I just ended up losing interest in the product. If watching DB from the beginning is going to turn away a potential viewer then they shouldn't start there.

I'm not the only one who thinks DB doesn't have what it takes to bring in new viewers, the companies behind the franchise do as well so there's truth to it cause if not then they wouldn't be ignoring it to the point where they act like it doesn't exist

American comics are completely different. There are so many continuities, reboots, resets, alt unverses that there is no starting point. And video games are different as well.

You can't boil stories down to images and not everyone is all about ACTION! In DB, there's still plenty. Why not start at the Piccolo Daimao arc? It's so dumb to have this arbitrary dividing line.

And just because a story will pick up new viewers doesn't mean you suggest people start a story at the most popular part if it's a serialized story. So much is lost. Not everyone is like you and judges books by their covers. And why do you and others insist on boiling DB down to the Pilaf arc?

Would I suggest someone read the whole story? Yes. I get that people like what they like but it's nice to expand and if you already like something, why not at least try more of it?

I've tried forcing myself to start from the beginning on certain things and I just ended up losing interest in the product.

Such as?

[Jaetinh]

I pity the fans who grew up with Dragon Ball Zee and didn't experience Dragon ball from beginning till the end.

People who think Dragon Ball is a prequel are fucking dumb.

I sound harsh but that's just how I feel.

[Soppa Saia People]

From anime fans ? Yeah, most likely. From the general public ? Not really.

[ABED]

I get it that watching from the very beginning might put some people off. Buffy: Season 1 isn't the strongest, but I would still suggest watching selected episodes from it so people experience the story, then jump to season 2 where it picks up. DB also doesn't take that long to pick up. Why does anyone insist that because the first 13 episodes might turn people off, they should skip straight to Z and past 150+ episodes? Why act as though elements that Z is known for weren't there in DB. The fight against Piccolo is one of the most intense and brutal fights in the entire series. Surely that would appeal to DBZ fans and potential fans.

[Captain Strawberry]

I get it that watching from the very beginning might put some people off. Buffy: Season 1 isn't the strongest, but I would still suggest watching selected episodes from it so people experience the story, then jump to season 2 where it picks up. DB also doesn't take that long to pick up. Why does anyone insist that because the first 13 episodes might turn people off, they should skip straight to Z and past 150+ episodes? Why act as though elements that Z is known for weren't there in DB. The fight against Piccolo is one of the most intense and brutal fights in the entire series. Surely that would appeal to DBZ fans and potential fans.

Dragon ball has one of the best choreograph fights in the series. Or atleast very cool ones. More straight forward hand to hand combat like in the world tournament.

[DBZAOTA482]

From anime fans ? Yeah, most likely. From the general public ? Not really.

https://myanimelist.net/anime/223/Dragon_Ball
https://myanimelist.net/anime/813/Dragon_Ball_Z
http://www.anime-planet.com/anime/dragon-ball
http://www.anime-planet.com/anime/dragon-ball-z

Not according to these sites...

[sintzu]

And just because a story will pick up new viewers doesn't mean you suggest people start a story at the most popular part if it's a serialized story.

So much is lost.

And why do you and others insist on boiling DB down to the Pilaf arc?

I've tried forcing myself to start from the beginning on certain things and I just ended up losing interest in the product.

Such as?

You do if you think it'll lead to them being fans of the entire franchise.

You do lose things if you skip a 3rd like that but you can make it up later.

Because that's the 1st arc they'll see, when I think of Z the 1st thing I think about is the Saiyan arc, when I think of GT the 1st thing I think about is the Baby arc because Funimation skipped the 1st one. First impressions will make or break something and the Pilaf arc's look will most likely break whatever intrest someone has in the franchise.

Bleach, I almost dropped it but my friends kept telling me to just put up with the 1st 20 episodes.

[ABED]

And just because a story will pick up new viewers doesn't mean you suggest people start a story at the most popular part if it's a serialized story.

So much is lost.

And why do you and others insist on boiling DB down to the Pilaf arc?

I've tried forcing myself to start from the beginning on certain things and I just ended up losing interest in the product.

Such as?

You do if you think it'll lead to them being fans of the entire franchise.

You do lose things if you skip a 3rd like that but you can make it up later.

Because that's the 1st arc they'll see, when I think of Z the 1st thing I think about is the Saiyan arc, when I think of GT the 1st thing I think about is the Baby arc because Funimation skipped the 1st one. First impressions will make or break something and the Pilaf arc's look will most likely break whatever intrest someone has in the franchise.

Bleach, I almost dropped it but my friends kept telling me to just put up with the 1st 20 episodes.

You keep assuming the only thing people like about DBZ is the action and unfortunately because of the dumb music that was forced on it, people convince themselves that it's fact. You also argue as though people shouldn't go back and watch from the beginning. Why would someone who has seen and liked Z because they thought they wouldn't like the first arc go back to something they don't think they'd like? Certainly the action picks up by the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai. And while it doesn't have Super Saiyans, the Cell arc is one of the worst in regards to action. The Red Ribbon Army arc has action that is just as good.

20 episode of anything is a lot to sit through, but why do you assume that those 20 episodes are boring to people? Why jump straight to the Saiyan arc? If you think the Saiyan arc is when the good action that DB is known for begins, you are flat out wrong.

[sintzu]

You keep assuming the only thing people like about DBZ is the action and unfortunately because of the dumb music that was forced on it, people convince themselves that it's fact.

Why would someone who has seen and liked Z because they thought they wouldn't like the first arc go back to something they don't think they'd like?

20 episode of anything is a lot to sit through, but why do you assume that those 20 episodes are boring to people?

DB's production and look is outdated compared to Z, that's why I'm assuming they'd pick it over DB and the popularity of 2 proves this.

If they're invested in something then they're likaly to give what they didn't pay attention to a chance, at least that's what I do.

Beause I looked it up and they're not very popular compared to the rest of it. If I wasn't told what was coming next then I would've dropped it and never looked back. same as if you didn't tell someone what was coming after DB's 1st arcs.

[ABED]

You keep assuming the only thing people like about DBZ is the action and unfortunately because of the dumb music that was forced on it, people convince themselves that it's fact.

Why would someone who has seen and liked Z because they thought they wouldn't like the first arc go back to something they don't think they'd like?

20 episode of anything is a lot to sit through, but why do you assume that those 20 episodes are boring to people?

Why jump straight to the Saiyan arc? If you think the Saiyan arc is when the good action that DB is known for begins, you are flat out wrong.

DB's production and look is outdated compared to Z, that's why I'm assuming they'd pick it over DB and the popularity of 2 proves this.

If they're invested in something then they're likaly to give what they didn't pay attention to a chance, at least that's what I do.

Beause I looked it up and they're not very popular compared to the rest of it. If I wasn't told what was coming next then I would've dropped it and never looked back. same as if you didn't tell someone what was coming after DB's 1st arcs.

DBZ's production looks the same. The only thing that's different is the animation reflective of Toriyama's drawing style shift. The popularity of Z doesn't prove anything about the look of the show. That's your assumption.

And please stop lumping all of DB in together. It changes over time. The first episode of DBZ aired a week after DB. It looks exactly the same.

Who gives a shit if it's more popular? The Joker is the most popular Batman villain but I wouldn't suggest making him the villain in every Batman movie.

One of the big reasons that people disregard the similarities of the last arcs of DB and the beginning of DBZ is the arbitrary dividing line created with a name change. That's all DBZ is - a name change. They are stylistically the same. It's all DB. So again, why start with Z? Why not the last few arcs of DB, which has way better action than much of DBZ.

GT did better than DB so that tells me that popularity isn't causally linked to quality. It seems like the audience assumed that because canonically weaker in DB that it's not as interesting. And finally are you assuming that the audience is only invested in the action and that they couldn't possibly be invested in the characters? Plenty of series have interesting characters but the plots take time to find their footing.

[sintzu]

So again, why start with Z ? Why not the last few arcs of DB ?

Because DB's last arcs are directly connected to what came before them. The Saiyan arc on the other hand was a clean start. It wasn't continuing any major plot line from the previous arc.

[ABED]

So again, why start with Z ? Why not the last few arcs of DB ?

Because DB's last arcs are directly connected to what came before them. The Saiyan arc on the other hand was a clean start. It wasn't continuing any major plot line from the previous arc.

The Saiyan arc is NOT a clean start. There is years of history that the audience has to catch up on. Piccolo's character arc means little because the audience is just meeting him. And what major arc are the Piccolo Daimao arc or the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai continuing from? If the audience can grasp the backstory at the start of Z, surely they can grasp it in the middle of DB.

The Cell arc tied off the previous plot threads, so why not make it its own series? Why not begin there?

[sintzu]

What major arc are the Piccolo Daimao arc

or the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai continuing from ?

If the audience can grasp the backstory at the start of Z, surely they can grasp it in the middle of DB.

The Piccolo dimao arc continues where the previous one ended with Krillin's death.

The 22nd Tenkaichi continues with Goku coming out of nowhere drassed in a caveman's costume.

The start of Z is more of a natural start than the middle of DB.

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What major arc are the Piccolo Daimao arc

or the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai continuing from ?

If the audience can grasp the backstory at the start of Z, surely they can grasp it in the middle of DB.

The Piccolo dimao arc continues where the previous one ended with Krillin's death.

The 22nd Tenkaichi continues with Goku coming out of nowhere drassed in a caveman's costume.

The start of Z is more of a natural start than the middle of DB.

And? A recap couldn't bring the audience up to speed? A caveman costume is your defense? It's in the middle of the story because he's in a weird outfit? That's not exactly a huge plot point.

The Saiyan arc isn't the start of anything. There's years of history that the audience has no relation to. Why are people acting so weird and frightened by Piccolo? Wait, Kuririn and Master Roshi have died before? Why do Goku and Piccolo not like each other? Goku's an alien, why am I supposed to be so shocked? Goku saved the world before? When?

DBZ isn't the beginning of anything except a name change.

[EXBadguy]

Maybe in Japan and a couple more countries, but for the rest of the world? No way! Z is the reason why the franchise is super popular. I mean come on, when the original Z and Kai were aired during their time, who talked about the original DB and its characters? Tell me, WHO?!

You complain about "SJWs" yet time and time again it's been the conservative parents and local politicians that have a problem with the series over here, whereas the liberal folks seem plenty happy to acknowledge the issues it has in historical context while simultaneously defending its availability and right to exist unaltered.

You would stand to gain from reading up a little bit before commenting on issues you don't understand or have any familiarity with.

But in other issues like some aspects in video games, the roles are reversed, at least in today's day and age. Now the right and the alt-right( ) are the ones fighting for free speech and such.

[ABED]

I mean come on, when the original Z and Kai were aired during their time, who talked about the original DB and its characters? Tell me, WHO?!

We did and popular doesn't mean better!

[SaiyanGod117]

Definitely not most the praise and respect the Dragon Ball series gets as a whole is the result of Z. Arguably introducing anime to west and serving as a gateway anime for many people in west, something the Orginal DB was unable to do. Some of the most epic and memorable moments and fights in anime are all packed in the Z portion of the series. If anything without Z, I'm pretty Dragon Ball would have faded into obscurity a while ago.

[EXBadguy]

We did

Besides yall.

and popular doesn't mean better!

While I do think most of Z is better than DB, that's not what I was trying to imply. I'm just saying when Z aired overseas, DB was left in the dust in general. There weren't any pictures of Kid Goku with his powerpole, or the Mafushigi Adventure song playing after Z was aired.