Season Six Discussion Thread

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:46 pm

omegacwa wrote:What I don't understand, is how can a DVD have such shit quality (the single release) because those old singles only had three episodes on them, which is like 60 minutes of footage. That isn't very much considering the average movie is 2 hours, plus they put bonus features, and those don't have horrific macro blocking.

Bad encoding, no other reason. They never even took up the whole disc. You can't just set an encoder to a preset and let it fly (which is what FUNimation appeared to be doing), it needs a certain degree of TLC.

-Corey

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:46 pm

Tsukento said : That can actually become a problem.

I remember having to turn the damn saturation down on my TV whenever watching Dragon Ball GT's DVDs due to the saturation being unbearably high. Especially during scenes with Super Saiyan 4 Goku.

Bright colors + high saturation = blinding light! Razz

But yeah, exaggeration aside, too much saturation can be a bad thing. Granted, it's *close* to the Dragon Box quality, but it's still somewhat overly saturated.

Oh ok. I think I get it now. I could see the difference between the images I was just wondering exactly what made people think the Dragon Box version is superior. You know ? Like what is one supposed to look for.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:47 pm

omegacwa wrote:What I don't understand, is how can a DVD have such shit quality (the single release) because those old singles only had three episodes on them, which is like 60 minutes of footage. That isn't very much considering the average movie is 2 hours, plus they put bonus features, and those don't have horrific macro blocking.

It's on a single layer dvd, and correct me if I'm wrong, the disc in question had four episodes, not to mention FUNimation sucked at encoding at this point.

The sad thing is, overall the 4:3 singles look better, that's why I couldn't justify the season sets.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:50 pm

What I meant is how can someone be that lazy?

When I made copies of some old VHS tapes onto DVD, it's not like I just set it at 10 hour quality and let it rip for a 1 and a half hour movie, that's juts plain stupid and lazy!

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:57 pm

omegacwa wrote:What I meant is how can someone be that lazy?

When I made copies of some old VHS tapes onto DVD, it's not like I just set it at 10 hour quality and let it rip for a 1 and a half hour movie, that's juts plain stupid and lazy!

That's the general consensus ;p

To this day, FUNimation still has some issues with encoding, but appears to farm out their Blu-ray stuff so...I dunno. Maybe as time progresses they'll finally nail it down, just as the format finally dies

-Corey

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:59 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
omegacwa wrote:What I meant is how can someone be that lazy?

When I made copies of some old VHS tapes onto DVD, it's not like I just set it at 10 hour quality and let it rip for a 1 and a half hour movie, that's juts plain stupid and lazy!
That's the general consensus ;p

To this day, FUNimation still has some issues with encoding, but appears to farm out their Blu-ray stuff so...I dunno. Maybe as time progresses they'll finally nail it down, just as the format finally dies

-Corey

FUNimation will still have issues because they're FUNimation.

BrollysKin · Post by **BrollysKin** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:25 pm

Quick somewhat unrelated question if I may.

When I watch my tv shows on dvd. I like to stretch the image to fill the entire screen. Many times I am unable to make it a perfect fit.

I just wondered if in general you would lose the same amount with the funimation footage that you would when you stretch the image?

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:37 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:It's on a single layer dvd, and correct me if I'm wrong, the disc in question had four episodes, not to mention FUNimation sucked at encoding at this point.

Just general info:
The FUNI singles were ALL single layer DVDs (4.7 Gbytes) as opposed to the dual layer DVDs most 2-3 hour movies are release with (8.5 Gbytes). Discs had 3, 4 or some had 5 episodes on one single layer disc.

FUNI really did use some of the worst encoding processes out there at the time. There were plenty of "one size fits all" encoders that could do better than the discs they turned out. Professional discs use a combo of both. The tools they use allow some tweaking on scenes if necessary... FUNI obviously thought it wasn't necessary at the time. I believe they strictly took the low cost solution when making the old discs. Time may show they are doing the same here (which seems like they are prepping for a BluRay release later on).

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:44 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:Man all of you guys must have some Sharingan eyes or something cause I honestly can't see the difference.

Be glad that you can't see the difference.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:26 pm

ect5150 wrote: The FUNI singles were ALL single layer DVDs (4.7 Gbytes)

Oh I know that, I find the worst part is, the original movie releases didn't even seem to be taking up the majority of the room on the disc, it was like they were doing this economical encodes even when they had plenty of room to spare.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:03 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:
ect5150 wrote: The FUNI singles were ALL single layer DVDs (4.7 Gbytes)
Oh I know that, I find the worst part is, the original movie releases didn't even seem to be taking up the majority of the room on the disc, it was like they were doing this economical encodes even when they had plenty of room to spare.

This is true... but keep in mind that DVDs have a max-bitrate of 10.08 Mbit/s (that's audio and video together), so even at that bitrate, a 45 minute movie isn't going to fill a single layered DVD (assuming no extras and commercials and junk). Hell, the DBox movies use don't always fill the disc either I believe.

(Doing some quick calculations, using the max bitrate the whole time... a 45 minute movies yields roughly 3.3 Gigs)

TheMajinRedComet · Post by **TheMajinRedComet** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:37 am

I do not know what you people are talking about, the final Cell Games DVD has the worst microblocking I have ever seen on a DVD, so I will gladly buy season six darkness and all.(you can always brighten the TV picture)

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:09 am

TheMajinRedComet wrote:I do not know what you people are talking about, the final Cell Games DVD has the worst microblocking I have ever seen on a DVD

More so than the Dragon Ball DVDs?

Serious question. Not being a jackass.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:30 am

Tsukento wrote:
TheMajinRedComet wrote:I do not know what you people are talking about, the final Cell Games DVD has the worst microblocking I have ever seen on a DVD
More so than the Dragon Ball DVDs?

It's definitely worse, the "Tenshinhan saga" of Dragonball is where the quality of the discs dip the lowest, however during the fights, the main offenders (fluid movements and ki attacks) are all very brief, so the macroblocking is bad, but it disappears quickly.

As for the Cell Games dvd, it's constant relentless flashing that gives FUNimation's shitty encode an absolute pounding, half the episode looks like it is hosted on Youtube.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:52 am

Tsukento wrote:
TheMajinRedComet wrote:I do not know what you people are talking about, the final Cell Games DVD has the worst macroblocking I have ever seen on a DVD
More so than the Dragon Ball DVDs?

Serious question. Not being a jackass.

That's a big 10/4!

Actual FUNI DVD screenshot.

As someone else mentioned, I've seen YouTube videos look better. We talk about the "Nappa ToothPaste" screens, but it looks like Gohon has soap over his front teeth!

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:15 pm

Jesus Christ what an ugly screen shot, I'd take slightly dark Gohan over that.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:28 pm

I've not seen this done at all, an easier way to show how much screen loss/gain there is.
Red is Funi volume, Yellow is Dragon Box and Orange is Season set.

There's really not that much cropping here, though that's probably because it's a close up and my eyes are playing tricks.

Now I don't know much about DVDs or encoding, Ah'm jest a simple country folk... but the season set shot looks pretty awesome.

shotkeeper · Post by **shotkeeper** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:18 pm

The widescreen hasn't really changed. it's just like season 3,4,5. The only thing that is different, I think, is that they left the grain intact( I think, noone confirmed they did). But the widescreen never bothered me and it's a quite funny, how you guys can make a set look good when you want to and when it's not to your liking, then the widescreen becomes smaller and the color are ugly. That's just how I see it.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:11 pm

Compared to the Dragonbox outline, the widescreen does loose a good amount on the top and bottom, but compared to Funimation's original release, you barely loose anything and you actually gain quite a bit on the left and right sides.
Maybe that's what funi was talking about this whole time, it shows more than their original release, not the Dragonbox. (This is what I thought they meant the whole time anyway)

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:12 pm

This is ridiculous, why don't they just put the full picture on there already.