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[VegettoEX]

Also the romanisations of DB are all over the place anyway. The way they say "Buruma" seems to be attempting to be "Bulma",

I'd argue (and maybe TripleRach can explain it better) that a romanization of "Bluma" is actually more accurate to their pronunciation.

yet "Kururin" in the original series doesn't sound as much like "Krillin".

Maybe you skimmed over it, but I addressed this one earlier:

Regarding "Kuririn" -> "Krillin", I can see it perfectly fine. Remember that (and this is a very rough description that isn't 100% accurate, but gets the point across) that our "consonant" letters are all followed by a "vowel" letter when being romanized (except for "n"), and can be extraneous (like in "kakarotto" with the final "to" and the "o" being there because of the extra emphasis added to the "t" to make "tto"), all due to the relative small amount of sound(s) produced with the language.

Therefore, the "ku" becomes just a "k" and "rurin" easily become "rillin" ("R" to "L", etc.)

It's a perfectly fine modification of the name from Japanese to English / a different alphabet. I don't care to spell it or say it that way, but it's A-OK.

I think that covers it, but I'm happy to elaborate. Sounds almost exactly the same, is a perfectly fine romanization, and I think it's just a failed attempt of yours to pin something else down.

Dragonball, much like you guys are trying to be asian, was trying to be western in some of it's naming schemes(food and clothes mainly).

The ratio of your "weeaboo"-based comments and accusations with respect to other posts and contributions is a little disconcerting, nevermind wrong.

Which there is, as of yet, no logical defense for. Even if it's more correct, the fact remains that a huge following exists that know Tenshinhan as Tien.

You just answered your own question. The logical defense is that it's accurate, as opposed to one that's not. You also keep claiming "huge following", but it's been showcased that while you may think that FUNimation is huge and because we speak English it should automatically apply, it's been pretty much proven (which you've ignored) that the vast majority of the world has no idea who "Tien" is.

I never really heard anything on the "Li Shenron" issue, either. It's a direct European-specific parallel.

Why not educate people instead of pushing them for doing nothing wrong?

You keep claiming "Educate people! Educate people!"

Isn't... that... what we're doing? I mean, we have this entire website to act as the education (and a specific section that remains incomplete but hopefully will debut in the near future), and this forum being an extension of that education... blah, blah blah.

Thanks for continuing the discussion, though! I'm always fascinated by outside opinions, even if their intent is suspect.

[Kendamu]

If you really wanna shorten his name that bad, people do tend to call him "Ten" for short. That's even easier than "Tien" if you ask me.

EDIT: As for Krillin, if you know how to properly pronounce "Kuririn" at the pace a normal Japanese person speaks, it's not really that different from "Krillin." It generally comes out of most Japanese people (I know personally) sounding something like "Kririn." It's similar to how the Capcom vs. Marvel game I used to play in the arcade pronounced Ryu at normal Japanese speaking speed as "Ruu" to most people inexperienced with the Japanese language. The "ee" sound from the "y" is there, but it's hard to hear. Its just the same as the "u" in "Ku" from "Kuririn."

I don't know if that made any sense, but I hope it helps.

[VegettoEX]

If you really wanna shorten his name that bad, people do tend to call him "Ten" for short. That's even easier than "Tien" if you ask me.

To Rena Rune's credit, it's not about shortening the name... it's about a version of the name that's presented "as fact" in a version of the show.

[Kendamu]

If you really wanna shorten his name that bad, people do tend to call him "Ten" for short. That's even easier than "Tien" if you ask me.

To Rena Rune's credit, it's not about shortening the name... it's about a version of the name that's presented "as fact" in a version of the show.

Oh. Well, in that case, hasn't he been called "Ten" in the show...? Or am I just imagining things?

[The Tori-bot]

If you really wanna shorten his name that bad, people do tend to call him "Ten" for short. That's even easier than "Tien" if you ask me.

To Rena Rune's credit, it's not about shortening the name... it's about a version of the name that's presented "as fact" in a version of the show.

Oh. Well, in that case, hasn't he been called "Ten" in the show...? Or am I just imagining things?

I think most of the characters just refer to him as "Tenshinhan", but Chaozu at least always calls him "Ten-san".

[Kaboom]

I've seen Chaozu and Lunch both call him "Ten-san" several times.

[SSJ2bardock]

Why can't we all just call him what we want to, whether it be Tenshinhan or Tien? I didn't really have a problem with the filter when this thread was first started, but it's been stewing for awhile now and I'm starting to have a change of heart.

If people say it wrong and you really have that big of a problem with it, then PM them and explain it to them. If they change their ways then good on you, but if they wanna say Tien then why should we force them to say Tenshinhan? If they want to be "wrong" then let them be wrong.

I know it's not any extra effort on their part because the filter is automatic, but it's censoring and that's not cool. It's like if you wrote someone a letter and on the way to the person it's getting sent to the post office just went in and changed things you said.

[Kendamu]

Because, it's Mike's forum and what he says goes. Same with the Hercule filter. You can cell him by this American name, but Hercule is what'll always get published. Not a big deal. Move on.

[SSJ2bardock]

Because, it's Mike's forum and what he says goes. Not a big deal. Move on.

Wait, what?

Thanks for continuing the discussion, though! I'm always fascinated by outside opinions

I undertand that it's his forum ( I knew I should have put up a "I understand it's his forum so you don't need to tell me that" disclaimer ), but it doesn't mean we can't talk about it. I'm just saying what I think about the situation, regardless of how futile I know my points are.

[JulieYBM]

Why can't we all just call him what we want to, whether it be Tenshinhan or Tien? I didn't really have a problem with the filter when this thread was first started, but it's been stewing for awhile now and I'm starting to have a change of heart.

If people say it wrong and you really have that big of a problem with it, then PM them and explain it to them. If they change their ways then good on you, but if they wanna say Tien then why should we force them to say Tenshinhan? If they want to be "wrong" then let them be wrong.

I know it's not any extra effort on their part because the filter is automatic, but it's censoring and that's not cool. It's like if you wrote someone a letter and on the way to the person it's getting sent to the post office just went in and changed things you said.

Because he's...educating? I think it was either the Viz Manga or this forum that got me away from Tenshinhan.

[SSJ2bardock]

Because he's...educating? I think it was either the Viz Manga or this forum that got me away from Tenshinhan.

If people say it wrong and you really have that big of a problem with it, then PM them and explain it to them. If they change their ways then good on you, but if they wanna say Tien then why should we force them to say Tenshinhan? If they want to be "wrong" then let them be wrong.

[JulieYBM]

What about unintiated parties, or trying to communicate with others? The original Japanese name, in this case being Tenshinhan, is the universal name.

We wouldn't call Son Goku Zero, would we?

[SSJ2bardock]

What about unintiated parties, or trying to communicate with others? The original Japanese name, in this case being Tenshinhan, is the universal name.

We wouldn't call Son Goku Zero, would we?

But that is a ridiculous comparison. For one thing trying to say that the Funimation dub and the Harmony Gold dub are equally recognizable is preposterous. For another thing, saying that (Goku ----> Zero) is the same thing as (Tenshinhan ----> Tien) doesn't make sense.

[Kendamu]

In that case, Big Green is getting to be pretty recognizable.

[SSJ2bardock]

Ok I'm done with this now, it's pretty one side and I don't like the road I foresee this thread going down.

Besides, when I'm really honest with myself I think I just wanted to play devil's advocate lol.

[caejones]

You know, a list of variations on character names in different adaptations might be nice to have somewhere around here (the most I've come across has been on wikipedia pages, if I'm not forgetting anything...).

Oh, wait...
Lunch / Launch / Ranchi / Lunchi / Kushami.
While the first four are viable romanizations (Wonder why noone's used "Runch"?), the last one got mention in Daizex's rumor guide...
While I don't see "Kushami" or "Zero" or "Big Green" as being used in casual conversation that isn't about the names (Whereas people familiar with the dub might throw out Tien at random moments), I think something like "Kushami" (given the Rumor Guide entry, and all) should enter into this discussion (assuming it's still going somewhere. Hm.).

I'm wondering, are there many users at Daizex who have come across discussions in which the use of dub names was (or would have been, in the case that they weren't used) a deterant(SP?) to understanding the conversation?
(On the flipside, I cite "'the hell's a Umigame?". ).

[JulieYBM]

Well, why call him Umigame? Sea Turtle makes the most sense.

[MajinVejitaXV]

But my point is you shouldn't force that on people. People know what you mean when you say "Tien", if it annoys you that much, then I think it's time to learn to deal with it somehow.

If the filter annoys you that much, by the same standard, then I think it's time for you to learn to deal with it somehow. Way to practice blatant hypocrisy.

Jeez, 5 years here nearly and this is the first time I remember it being an issue of any sort. And even then, it's still only 2 people

Dragonball, much like you guys are trying to be asian, was trying to be western in some of it's naming schemes(food and clothes mainly).

THATD BE CAPITAL A FOR AZN KAWAII RENA SAN LAWL (OMG DO U HAEV the POCKYS!?).

Why not educate people instead of pushing them for doing nothing wrong?

The whole site is educational, in my opinion. Besides, again, international community. One country is an outlier. Is someone really going to have an aneurysm trying to figure out who "Tenshinhan" is when they typed "Tienshinhan" or whatnot?

Besides, I hardly see how a simply word change is "punishment" (assuming that's what you meant, I don't know how it'd be "pushing" them).

In other words, to put it a way you'll understand:

NO U.

Well, why call him Umigame? Sea Turtle makes the most sense.

Eh, same reason people call him "Kami-sama" instead of "God" or "Kaio-sama" instead of "Lord King of the Worlds." Besides, if you call him "sea turtle" you miss out on the fun of Goku butchering his name ;p

-Corey

[JulieYBM]

Dragonball, much like you guys are trying to be asian

I like being a overweight white guy with interests in Japanese cartoons and comcis...

I'm totally gung-ho American, too...

EDIT:

Eh, same reason people call him "Kami-sama" instead of "God" or "Kaio-sama" instead of "Lord King of the Worlds." Besides, if you call him "sea turtle" you miss out on the fun of Goku butchering his name ;p

-Corey

Well, I'm actually trying to ween myself onto using 'Lord Kami' and 'Lord Kaiô', which are both perfectly good renderings of their names. It's sort of how the Naruto dub calls Jiraiya 'Lord Jiraiya' as opposed to 'Jiraiya-sama[.

[SSJ2bardock]

I'm wondering, are there many users at Daizex who have come across discussions in which the use of dub names was (or would have been, in the case that they weren't used) a deterrent to understanding the conversation?

NEVER

Never had a conversation go awry because someone said "Ten".