T I E N

[Innagadadavida]

Why is T ien a word in the word filter? Dub fans know Tenshinhan as T I E N Shinhan. What's wrong with wanting to call him that?

[Kaboom]

Dub fans know Tenshinhan as T I E N Shinhan. What's wrong with wanting to call him that?

Because it's...



Also, for Mike's personal amusement, shared by many of us, to see the resulting sentences like, "why can't I call him Tien instead of Tenshinhan?!"

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[SSj_Rambo]

Pretty much because Mike (and many others) see "Tien" as such a pathetic translation that it shouldn't even be acknowledged... or something like that.

[bkev]

Also because its' quite easy to get around. Just type it with blank formatting tags inbetween somewhere.

ti[ i][ /i]en -> tien. Without the spaces of course.

[Innagadadavida]

I know, but like I said, regular fans KNOW Tien as just that. That's what they call him. The dub isn't wrong. It's just different. It never tries to change the story, just tweak it to attract wider attention (and it succeeded). I think if Tenshinhan as Tien Shinhan and there's nothing wrong with that.

PS: Thanks for the tip, bkev

[Hujio]

...regular fans KNOW Tien as just that.

They do? Can you truly define a regular fan? I don't think this statement will really win you any debates. Sorry.

That's what they call him. The dub isn't wrong.

Really? I'm pretty sure if someone mis-translate or butcher a name, that makes them wrong. For Hercule's sake, let Tenshinhan be Tenshinhan!

It's just different. It never tries to change the story, just tweak it to attract wider attention (and it succeeded).

How does changing a main characters name attract more attention? The only way I can see that it would, was if you knew that wasn't his name in the first place. Making it wrong.

I think if Tenshinhan as Tien Shinhan and there's nothing wrong with that.

So, can I call Kame-sennin "Kaime Sennin"? Would that be acceptable to you if FUNi changed his name too?

[Yi Xing Long]

Tenshinhan's dub name is probably a mix of the Mandarin pronunciation (Tian) of the first character in his name mixed with the Japanese pronunciation (Ten), thus yielding "Tien". It is very annoying to hear him called that. I mean come on, even the Viz translation of the manga uses Tenshinhan.

[Herms]

I know, but like I said, regular fans KNOW Tien as just that. That's what they call him. The dub isn't wrong. It's just different. It never tries to change the story, just tweak it to attract wider attention (and it succeeded). I think if Tenshinhan as Tien Shinhan and there's nothing wrong with that.

From the message board rules:

While the vast majority of members will be familiar with and fans primarily of the original Japanese version, we must understand that fans stem from all over the world and from all types of initiations. However, emphasis will be placed on the original Japanese version, as it is the single "global" version that can be enjoyed by all.

Anyway, do "regular fans" not read Viz's English translation of the manga? They call him "Tenshinhan" there.

[Casual Matt]

Tenshinhan's dub name is probably a mix of the Mandarin pronunciation (Tian) of the first character in his name mixed with the Japanese pronunciation (Ten), thus yielding "Tien". It is very annoying to hear him called that. I mean come on, even the Viz translation of the manga uses Tenshinhan.

Yeah, but they settled on Tenshinhan before their name translation quality went straight to HFIL.

[NeptuneKai]

Tenshinhan's dub name is probably a mix of the Mandarin pronunciation (Tian) of the first character in his name mixed with the Japanese pronunciation (Ten), thus yielding "Tien". It is very annoying to hear him called that. I mean come on, even the Viz translation of the manga uses Tenshinhan.

Yeah, but they settled on Tenshinhan before their name translation quality went straight to HFIL.

How do you figure? The only issue I have with Viz's name translation is changing Mr.Satan to Her.cule.

People have issues with the Boo saga but I always thought Vegerot made sense since there is no longer a Kakarotto so where is the O from Vegetto coming from? If anything I think it's an error on Funi's part for not changing his name to make sense.

As for Djin nobody was officially called "Majin" in the manga or anime besides Boo which leads me to believe that the M stands for Madoshi and that Djin Boo is an okay substitute for Majin Boo.

[Adamant]

I know, but like I said, regular fans KNOW Tien as just that. That's what they call him.

Regular fans also know Karin as "Quitte". Doesn't make it any more right.

[SSJ2bardock]

I really don't have a problem with it, it's just a name.

I wouldn't have made a word filter just to prevent it from being ever used because I think that's a little extreme, but then again it's not my website so it's not like it even matters.

[Kaboom]

The fact that "Tien Shinhan" is so close to the original name is kind of WHY it's so stupid. Why change it at all? Normally he's called just "Tien" in the dub, though. Is it another case of "that word's too long and complicated for little kids?" The same might be said of Paikuhan --> "Pikkon," and "Son Goku" --> just "Goku."

[Innagadadavida]

It's clear that I am of the majority in what I call Tenshinhan. But that is NOT the conversation. I'm talking specifically about the WORD FILTER.

...regular fans KNOW Tien as just that.

They do? Can you truly define a regular fan? I don't think this statement will really win you any debates. Sorry.

I said regular, but what I really meant is casual. Although I realize the futility in arguing over the casual fan's opinion, seeing as how a casual fan wouldn't be on this forum in the first place.

That's what they call him. The dub isn't wrong.

Really? I'm pretty sure if someone mis-translate or butcher a name, that makes them wrong. For Hercule's sake, let Tenshinhan be Tenshinhan![/quote]
I'm not debating on what Tien's real name is. That's undebatable, his real name is CLEARLY Tenshinhan.

It's just different. It never tries to change the story, just tweak it to attract wider attention (and it succeeded).

How does changing a main characters name attract more attention? The only way I can see that it would, was if you knew that wasn't his name in the first place. Making it wrong.[/quote]
Changing the characters names to something shorter and more recognizable is going to attract wider attention. The American public has a ridiculously short attention span, that's why the fill so many silent scenes with dialog in the dub.

I think if Tenshinhan as Tien Shinhan and there's nothing wrong with that.

So, can I call Kame-sennin "Kaime Sennin"? Would that be acceptable to you if FUNi changed his name too?[/quote]
I don't know what you mean. Kame-sennin is called Turtle Hermit in the dub. And Muten Roshi is Master Roshi.

It's not the fact of whether or not it's stupid. The topic is about the WORD FILTER. I don't agree at all with VegetoEX forcing his opinion on his little peons.

[VegettoEX]

It's not the fact of whether or not it's stupid. The topic is about the WORD FILTER. I don't agree at all with VegettoEX forcing his opinion on his little peons.

Well, you have a couple options:

(1) Don't post here. No-one's forced you to come here. No-one's forced you to, after reading and agreeing to the forum rules, stick around. There are plenty of other DB-based message boards out there, and if this isn't the place for you, I'll do anything I can to help you find a place that suits you.

(2) If you are so absolutely opposed to using the character's common name throughout the entire world with the exception of one company's television dubbing for one particular market, and yet STILL wish to post on this forum using that spelling... do so by circumventing the word filter.

(3) Provide a legitimate reason why or how this word filter could somehow cause grammatical harm to an everyday-use of the four letters "T / I / E / N" in a row in some other context that would necessitate the removal of said word filter.

(4) I don't have "peons"... only people that are able and willing to have civil discussions regardless of where they fall on any particular subject matter and enjoy engaging one another on this level, something you should already be familiar with.

[Innagadadavida]

(1) Don't post here. No-one's forced you to come here. ...

No way. I like this forum, and I like the people.

(4) I don't have "peons"... only people that are able and willing to have civil discussions regardless of where they fall on any particular subject matter and enjoy engaging one another on this level, something you should already be familiar with. (run-on sentence, lol)

I understand. The peons was not meant seriously. But forcing everybody to use the name that YOU prefer is immature.

Okay, so I'm sorry for inciting any trouble. I know now why this place is called "Your most authoritative DragonBall discussion board." And with the exception of a few lousy rules. Your unquestionable inflexible established set of rules are pretty understandable.

[VegettoEX]

(1) Don't post here. No-one's forced you to come here. ...

No way. I like this forum, and I like the people.

It's wonderful that you like the people and this forum, but if you do not agree with any portion of the rules, the onus is completely on you at that point to make a decision. See the final point at the bottom.

(2) If you are so absolutely opposed to using the character's common name throughout the entire world with the exception of one company's television dubbing for one particular market, and yet STILL wish to post on this forum using that spelling... do so by circumventing the word filter.

Unnecessary.

From the message board rules:

While the vast majority of members will be familiar with and fans primarily of the original Japanese version, we must understand that fans stem from all over the world and from all types of initiations. However, emphasis will be placed on the original Japanese version, as it is the single "global" version that can be enjoyed by all.

I think that sums it up pretty well.

(3) Provide a legitimate reason why or how this word filter could somehow cause grammatical harm to an everyday-use of the four letters "T / I / E / N" in a row in some other context that would necessitate the removal of said word filter.

Not the point.

I think it's pretty important. It's probably the one issue from a technological standpoint that would be a solid argument. You just don't seem to like it.

(4) I don't have "peons"... only people that are able and willing to have civil discussions regardless of where they fall on any particular subject matter and enjoy engaging one another on this level, something you should already be familiar with. (run-on sentence, lol)

I understand. The peons was not meant seriously. But forcing everybody to use the name that YOU prefer is immature.

Again, there's no "forcing" going on. The individual that chooses to agree to the forum rules, that chooses to post here, that chooses to stick around, that chooses to engage with the community... well, that sums it up. There is absolutely no-one holding a gun to your head telling you to conform. If there is, send me a PM and we'll track him/her down.

Whether or not it's a question of an "immature" action is certainly a valid one, and I wouldn't argue that it doesn't play a role. Does it back up the rest of my argument? I've done a successful job of convincing myself that it does. What do you think?

I mean, at the end of the day, we're all reading/watching a series meant for little boys to discuss and role-play on the schoolyard playground. Gotta have some fun with it.

[JulieYBM]

(1) Don't post here. No-one's forced you to come here. ...

No way. I like this forum, and I like the people.

(4) I don't have "peons"... only people that are able and willing to have civil discussions regardless of where they fall on any particular subject matter and enjoy engaging one another on this level, something you should already be familiar with. (run-on sentence, lol)

I understand. The peons was not meant seriously. But forcing everybody to use the name that YOU prefer is immature.

Okay, so I'm sorry for inciting any trouble. I know now why this place is called "Your most authoritative DragonBall discussion board." And with the exception of a few lousy rules. Your unquestionable inflexible established set of rules are pretty understandable.

Lousy to whom? You? You'll know the difference, Mike--I would assume--just wants to educate.

[VegettoEX]

Here's an idea.

Would some kind of additional statement in the rules be sufficient? Something (after "However, emphasis will be placed...") along the lines of:

"Certain minor inconsistent and baseless naming conventions may be automatically adjusted to reflect this global scope."

[JulieYBM]

Here's an idea.

Would some kind of additional statement in the rules be sufficient? Something (after "However, emphasis will be placed...") along the lines of:

"Certain minor inconsistent and baseless naming conventions may be automatically adjusted to reflect this global scope."

Well, if you aren't being a smart-alec I don't see a reason why not...