Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

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Post by nhienphan2808 » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:40 pm

Nah I'm actually in agreement. I always think, and hope that the 12 universe thing is just to tell Goku that there's no such thing called strongest and nothing more. Power in DBZ has gone off the scale now i find it very Saiyan biased and boring. I watch all of DBZ for anything other than power.
I think it was a good sign that Toriyama seems to be more inclined to the "people and familial relationship" kinda thing with his new works and interviews. I have complete admiration and faith in his views, and with all the questions BOGs, Minus and Jaco brought up about the Saiyans' past, I will kill something if the new movie keep going on about Goku pulling new transformations out of his ass.
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Post by Chuquita » Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:24 am

My newest guess for when we'll get an update is October's VJump. I don't think Saikyou Jump is big enough of a magazine for them to put it in there. (I want there to be something in next week's Saikyou though; if only because the wait's felt so tremendously long at this point).

Re: transformations

If anything, regarding transformations I'm mainly worried that ssjg Gokû won't show up at all; that we're back to exclusively base and ssj1. I realize we're losing ssj2 and ssj3, but if we have to lose those two I'd rather not also lose ssjg. We never did get to see 100% power ssjg Gokû though, so I still have hope he's not gone or anything.
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Post by Doctor. » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:15 am

Chuquita wrote:My newest guess for when we'll get an update is October's VJump. I don't think Saikyou Jump is big enough of a magazine for them to put it in there. (I want there to be something in next week's Saikyou though; if only because the wait's felt so tremendously long at this point).

Re: transformations

If anything, regarding transformations I'm mainly worried that ssjg Gokû won't show up at all; that we're back to exclusively base and ssj1. I realize we're losing ssj2 and ssj3, but if we have to lose those two I'd rather not also lose ssjg. We never did get to see 100% power ssjg Gokû though, so I still have hope he's not gone or anything.
SSJG's power didn't disappear as we saw when Goku absorbed Beerus' attack. With a little bit of training, I'm sure he'll be able to access it fully.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:20 am

Doctor. wrote:SSJG's power didn't disappear as we saw when Goku absorbed Beerus' attack. With a little bit of training, I'm sure he'll be able to access it fully.
According to Toriyama, Super Saiyan God is useless for Goku now, since he can use its power without transforming.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by sintzu » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:29 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote: According to Toriyama, Super Saiyan God is useless for Goku now, since he can use its power without transforming.
Maybe he meant the ritual cause he said Goku didn't need it after he absorbed it's power yet in the movie we see him use it again.
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Post by Low Tone G » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:44 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Doctor. wrote:SSJG's power didn't disappear as we saw when Goku absorbed Beerus' attack. With a little bit of training, I'm sure he'll be able to access it fully.
According to Toriyama, Super Saiyan God is useless for Goku now, since he can use its power without transforming.

I don't know why is so difficult to understand that the form(and power too) of Super Saiyan God it's a temporary phenomenon. Goku was the only one special to maintain that power without it's appearance, and also with it, but only in a really dangerous situation. So according Toriyama, he not only has absorbed the power but made the God nature too of his own, otherwise Goku's Godly power should have disappeared after the fight against Beerus, because he was totally run out of it. So Goku's Godly nature was kept, then his God power has been recovered right away without another ritual.

So I expect Goku will fight as a Super Saiyan in the next movie, but still having that God power, or even higher, if he has trained after the Battle of Gods' events, which he surely did.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:27 am

sintzu wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote: According to Toriyama, Super Saiyan God is useless for Goku now, since he can use its power without transforming.
Maybe he meant the ritual cause he said Goku didn't need it after he absorbed it's power yet in the movie we see him use it again.
No, he meant that the form itself was useless because Goku could use its power without transforming. Base/SS Goku is now barely weaker than SSGod Goku now, and his base/SS doesn't have a time-limit. The only way for the form to be useful is if what Goku did with Beerus' ki blast was an exclusive special ability, or if it has other special abilities. But power-wise, it's useless.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:09 pm

I know Toriyama said that we won't be seeing SSJ2 or SSJ3 anymore but I still want them to make an appearance, even just for a bit.
With Goku absorbing the god power it'll make SSJ3 even more powerful.I guess I'm just saw because my hope of Vegeta actually getting SSJ3 is only a dream now.

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Post by Chuquita » Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:41 pm

While ssj2 never stood out to me that much with Gokû, I feel kinda sad about losing ssj3, even though I don't like those eyebrows, the form itself still looked distinctively different from ssj1 and 2.
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Post by Valerius Dover » Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:49 pm

^I actually can't tell Super Saiyan 1 and 2 apart. In fact, it isn't even named as such during the Cell Games. When I saw it, I thought it was just another one of those ascensions.
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Post by sintzu » Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:12 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:I guess I'm just saw because my hope of Vegeta actually getting SSJ3 is only a dream now.
Maybe 5-10 years ago but now it's anything but a dream and has the same chance of happening as anything else.

What i would call a dream is Toriyama coming back to the series but now not only is he back but he's enjoying it so if that can happen then anything can.
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Post by Jackal puFF » Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:50 pm

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Those super saiyan forms aren't going to be in the movie? :shock: I vaguely remember reading something about that.. How will Goku beat the enemy if he's only a super saiyan lol? Not much of a fan of the whole power of the god thing but looking weaker than a god. Would hate for that form to be only exclusive to BOG. Hopefully there will be a way for Goku to get red hair again and hopefully someone else gets the form.

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Post by Low Tone G » Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:11 pm

Jackal puFF wrote:Whoa, whoa, whoa. Those super saiyan forms aren't going to be in the movie? :shock: I vaguely remember reading something about that.. How will Goku beat the enemy if he's only a super saiyan lol? Not much of a fan of the whole power of the god thing but looking weaker than a god. Would hate for that form to be only exclusive to BOG. Hopefully there will be a way for Goku to get red hair again and hopefully someone else gets the form.
I expect Vegeta will be the one to get that red hair. But I don't know if he will able to keep its power like Goku did, that would be too cheap, not mention that it will repeat "Vegeta is Goku imitator" stuff.
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Post by Doctor. » Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:16 pm

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Jackal puFF wrote:Whoa, whoa, whoa. Those super saiyan forms aren't going to be in the movie? :shock: I vaguely remember reading something about that.. How will Goku beat the enemy if he's only a super saiyan lol? Not much of a fan of the whole power of the god thing but looking weaker than a god. Would hate for that form to be only exclusive to BOG. Hopefully there will be a way for Goku to get red hair again and hopefully someone else gets the form.
I expect Vegeta will be the one to get that red hair. But I don't know if he will able to maitain its power like Goku did, that would be too cheap, not mention that it will repeat "Vegeta is Goku imitator" stuff.
What if Vegeta surpasses Goku by actually being able to use SSJG at will, and not absorb the power through his base form and SSJ or whatever?

I mean, Vegeta is supposed to be an elite and yet he has done close to nothing deserving of that title. I know the "there's always someone stronger!" theme is constant throughout the series, but still.

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Post by Low Tone G » Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:24 pm

Doctor. wrote:
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Jackal puFF wrote:Whoa, whoa, whoa. Those super saiyan forms aren't going to be in the movie? :shock: I vaguely remember reading something about that.. How will Goku beat the enemy if he's only a super saiyan lol? Not much of a fan of the whole power of the god thing but looking weaker than a god. Would hate for that form to be only exclusive to BOG. Hopefully there will be a way for Goku to get red hair again and hopefully someone else gets the form.
I expect Vegeta will be the one to get that red hair. But I don't know if he will able to keep its power like Goku did, that would be too cheap, not mention that it will repeat "Vegeta is Goku imitator" stuff.
What if Vegeta surpasses Goku by actually being able to use SSJG at will, and not absorb the power through his base form and SSJ or whatever?

I mean, Vegeta is supposed to be an elite and yet he has done close to nothing deserving of that title. I know the "there's always someone stronger!" theme is constant throughout the series, but still.
Quite interesting theory... Goku mentioned that he would never be able to reach that power on his own.. It would be quite interesting if it would exist another way for a Saiyan to become on his own a God.
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Post by Chuquita » Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:06 pm

I just really like the look of ssjg Gokû, and I'd like to see what he could do with that form and those powers specific to that form after he has time to develop them.
With Vegeta, I'd like to see more entertaining stuff between him and Bulma; I enjoyed that in BOG.

I hope at the very least we find out who the character designer is soon. Maybe even the movie's title.
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Post by Saiyan007 » Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:26 pm

The suspense is killing me

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Wed Sep 24, 2014 6:29 pm

If Vegeta does get SSJ God in this movie, I can honestly see Vegeta's SSJ God hair being bluish for some reason.

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Post by SSJ6Goku » Wed Sep 24, 2014 6:29 pm

Saiyan007 wrote:The suspense is killing me
me too. they won't say much until its like 2 weeks before the movie comes out

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Wed Sep 24, 2014 6:34 pm

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Saiyan007 wrote:The suspense is killing me
me too. they won't say much until its like 2 weeks before the movie comes out
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we knew a decent amount about Battle of Gods long before it came out. The real details came out in the final week or 2 before release.
Again I could be wrong, I honestly don't remember.

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