Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[Chuquita]

I'm more interested in the in-universe reason for why not choose Vegeta than why choose Gokû. Was there an overwhelming opinion that Vegeta would've let his ego blind him in combat ala "Super Vegeta"? He seems to want and be ok with the idea of outside power up more than Gokû.

[Cold Skin]

Just remembered, I'd also like to see the conversation that ends with them choosing to make Gokû the ssjg power's host, because while they have that discussion on who is or isn't pure-hearted, we skip the former and all that's mentioned is Vegeta complaining about why Gokû's the "main".

I doubt they'll show that, because choosing Goku can't really be justified.

I'll just quote myself from page 512:

It had to be Goku, he's a genius fighter and the one used to having various transformations and energy control, learning their essence and perceiving how to use them right. He's a natural with learning about new forms/states/grades.
He mastered the Kaioken to the point of being able to multiply it by 20, knows how to master energy coming from a whole planet, learned to master ki to instantly teleport to another side of the universe (and was able to combine it with other Ki-mastering special moves), had the idea of Fully-Mastered Super Saiyan and got used to it, was the one to unveil the Super Saiyan 3 form, knows what it's like to have an unnatural super-powered body through fusion...
And for those of you who consider the movies canon: unlocked an extra transformation in-between base and Super Saiyan, learned how to further master the energy of a whole planet to integrate it to him, knows what it's like to have a time limit thanks to the dance fusion, knows how to turn energy into a deadly golden dragon that vaporizes a giant opponent...

The guy is a genius having natural understanding of new powers and how to master them to serve you beyond their normal range.
If it wasn't for him, all others would have probably run out of God power too, but they potentially wouldn't have been able to understand how it works and how to tap into the form's remnant power.
Son Goku was the perfect choice to undergo and understand a new form of power.

You can disagree of course, but as far as I'm concerned, in that situation, I would have said "Goku should really be the one to access this new transformation and those new powers, he'll be the one to make the most of it!".
But I agree that this can hardly be put into a dialogue in any additionnal scene, I wouldn't imagine the characters talking about all that Goku has done before that showing that he's the greatest to understand what's best with forms and how to properly analyze and control energy. But I think in the characters' minds, they instinctively know it from past experiences and usually summurize it as: "let's give it to Goku, he always finds ways to surprise everyone"!

Goku's experience in variety is required, Gohan would be too simplistic in battle, the boys would joke around and while Vegeta would likely not be cocky anymore, he would probably go all out with his new power-up - likely using basic "throw-a-thousand-Ki-blasts-until-being-exhausted" or a "big-one-time-ultimate-blast" moves - and uselessly empty the God form without trying to understand that new energy and how to put it to good use.

With Goku showing him what to do with that form and energy first, it gives Vegeta more hopes of putting it to good use once he gets it too, understanding there's a way to understand and master that energy to tap into it forever, like Kakarotto showed.

[Big Momma]

Surprisingly, what will be shown on Fuji TV this month is going to be a director's cut which has additional scenes.

Hopefully the delay in FUNimation being able to distribute the film means we might get this extended version. Fingers crossed...

Okay, so... this kind of thing is common? Did foreign distributors (like FUNimation) get this new animation for their releases of the Alabasta film?

Based on what JulieYBM said about the extra scenes, and what I remember from my copy (Although I dunno if the Blu-Ray is much different), I don't think we got the extra scenes.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I'm more interested in the in-universe reason for why not choose Vegeta than why choose Gokû. Was there an overwhelming opinion that Vegeta would've let his ego blind him in combat ala "Super Vegeta"? He seems to want and be ok with the idea of outside power up more than Gokû.

It was Goku that had the idea to summon Shenlong to learn about Super Saiyan God.

[KentalSSJ6]

I'm more interested in the in-universe reason for why not choose Vegeta than why choose Gokû. Was there an overwhelming opinion that Vegeta would've let his ego blind him in combat ala "Super Vegeta"? He seems to want and be ok with the idea of outside power up more than Gokû.

It was Goku that had the idea to summon Shenlong to learn about Super Saiyan God.

Which brings up a good question. Maybe those additional 15 minutes will go into detail with how Shenron knows (and fears) Beerus. Wouldn't mind learning the history between those two.

[garnetjester]

I want more Gohan/Goten (any Goten at all would be great, really )

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

I'm trying to understand this video;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE2NtpFi6UI

So off a link to movie scene comparisons, I saw this fight. Either the version of BoG's I watched was hyper compressed (It was, but) or, more likely, these voices were artificially deepened. That would be a reaction to Nozawa Goku I've never seen before!

[KentalSSJ6]

I'm trying to understand this video;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE2NtpFi6UI

So off a link to movie scene comparisons, I saw this fight. Either the version of BoG's I watched was hyper compressed (It was, but) or, more likely, these voices were artificially deepened. That would be a reaction to Nozawa Goku I've never seen before!

Pitch is lowered to avoid a copyright strike.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

I'm trying to understand this video;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE2NtpFi6UI

So off a link to movie scene comparisons, I saw this fight. Either the version of BoG's I watched was hyper compressed (It was, but) or, more likely, these voices were artificially deepened. That would be a reaction to Nozawa Goku I've never seen before!

Yeah, the audio in that video was deepened. Most likely to avoid content identification.

Grrr, Lord Bills?

[KentalSSJ6]

Really wish that video would get flagged and taken down. The comments of that video are 90% whining and hate for the film.

[penguintruth]

Really wish that video would get flagged and taken down. The comments of that video are 90% whining and hate for the film.

And the usual complaints about Goku's Japanese voice by people who miss the point of the character.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Pitch is lowered to avoid a copyright strike.

By the way you say that it sounds like its actually worked enough to have a precedent.

[Flame Dragon]

Pitch is lowered to avoid a copyright strike.

By the way you say that it sounds like its actually worked enough to have a precedent.

The only thing it does is avoid recognition from the Content ID bot so you don't get discovered istantly and taken down.
If a YouTube employee finds your video or you get a segnalation from someone you're still getting taken down.

So it's quite useless, the only difference is that if you don't change the pitch, you get a takedown istantly from the computers, if you change the pitch, your video may survive a few months before getting obliterated.
And honestly every time i hear a change in pitch, i close the video, it just ruins the audio and makes the whole thing unlistenable.

[TheRed259]

Sometimes I find it really cool. I can even enjoy Kikuchi Kai with that audio!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShhX2HC0G7U

[Mr.Judge]

I'm more interested in the in-universe reason for why not choose Vegeta than why choose Gokû. Was there an overwhelming opinion that Vegeta would've let his ego blind him in combat ala "Super Vegeta"? He seems to want and be ok with the idea of outside power up more than Gokû.

Vegeta was always meant to play second fiddle to Son-Goku. After their first fight, Vegeta was never able to close the power gap between him and his rival(except during Son-Goku's Heart Virus sickness).

Son-Goku even considers Vegeta irrelevant as portrayed by Akira Toriyama then. This point was emphasized when
i) Son-Goku held back his Super Saiya-jin 3 Form when Vegeta wanted to see how a actual battle between them would turn-out but instead this act from Son-Goku ends up embarrassing Vegeta who prided himself on his skills,superiority etc during their Bout. And that pride of his results him dying in vain and rendering Vegeta's Final explosion/Final Effort and sacrifice useless.
ii) Son-Goku asks for a Rematch against Kid Buu and not Vegeta.

So Vegeta/Piccolo act basically as second-in-command when Son-Goku is around.

Akira Toriyama made Goku and Gohan as the Protagonist / Deuteragonist in DB[then].

Also Akira Toriyama [now] failed to recreate the magic,intensity of earlier sagas in this New Movie. He even could not justify Son-Goku's infamous attribute/trait Hero on Hiatus in a meaningful way in the new movie.
Hero on Hiatus part in the new movie seemed basically forced/tacked-on, may be to seemingly recreate the intensity/magic of the earlier saga/arc.

Spoiler:

The fights with Saiyans, Ginyu Force and Frieza all basically consisted of the DB good guys desperately trying to stay alive until Son-Goku shows up

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Vegeta was always meant to play second fiddle to Son-Goku. After their first fight, Vegeta was never able to close the power gap between him and his rival(except during Son-Goku's Heart Virus sickness).

We don't actually have proof that Vegeta was stronger than Goku when he destroyed #19. Goku's virus was already attacking his body. Remember when Tien thought it was strange that Goku seemed "tired" after flying? He likely wasn't 100% while fighting. Not to mention Piccolo noted Goku's "sloppy fighting technique" shortly before the virus started hurting him. My main point to this is that, whatever power everyone sensed from Goku cannot be compared to Vegeta's since he was clearly not 100%.

[Kamiccolo9]

Vegeta was always meant to play second fiddle to Son-Goku. After their first fight, Vegeta was never able to close the power gap between him and his rival(except during Son-Goku's Heart Virus sickness).

We don't actually have proof that Vegeta was stronger than Goku when he destroyed #19. Goku's virus was already attacking his body. Remember when Tenshinhan thought it was strange that Goku seemed "tired" after flying? He likely wasn't 100% while fighting. Not to mention Piccolo noted Goku's "sloppy fighting technique" shortly before the virus started hurting him. My main point to this is that, whatever power everyone sensed from Goku cannot be compared to Vegeta's since he was clearly not 100%.

Piccolo had been training with Goku for three years, and he still said that Vegeta was stronger.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Vegeta was always meant to play second fiddle to Son-Goku. After their first fight, Vegeta was never able to close the power gap between him and his rival(except during Son-Goku's Heart Virus sickness).

We don't actually have proof that Vegeta was stronger than Goku when he destroyed #19. Goku's virus was already attacking his body. Remember when Tenshinhan thought it was strange that Goku seemed "tired" after flying? He likely wasn't 100% while fighting. Not to mention Piccolo noted Goku's "sloppy fighting technique" shortly before the virus started hurting him. My main point to this is that, whatever power everyone sensed from Goku cannot be compared to Vegeta's since he was clearly not 100%.

Piccolo had been training with Goku for three years, and he still said that Vegeta was stronger.

I guess that throws out my theory.

[JulieYBM]

I wonder if any of the new scenes require Videl to speak? Unless extra dialogue was recorded to the storyboards during the initial recording for the movie last year Minaguchi Yuuko might be replaced in the Fuji TV version of Battle of Gods by Kakinuma Shino.

[MagicBox]

Oh man, I didn't even think of that. This is one time I'm hoping Videl actually doesn't get any lines.