Dragon Box vol 5 discussion

[Mosaic]

Subtitles call him Furog but that's close enough.

Dragon Ball had a load of strange cameos like the Stay Puft Marshmallow man from Ghost Busters, it's cool seeing so many characters randomly littering the background.

Colonel Sanders shows up in a Boo-era episode.

[ThunderPX]

I'm not sure about that DQ5 hero one. It's just a dude with a turban... and it's not even the right colour.

[The Time Traveller]

I was expectimng more replies\over Broli and the Tori-bots, were they already well known? I've not heard about them before.

[TripleRach]

I agree that that guy definitely looks like Crono, but keep in mind that these episodes aired in July to September 1993 (and take months to animate), and Chrono Trigger wasn't released until March 1995. The animators would have had to reference early concept art at best. Ackman also cuts it kind of close, because he apparently debuted in V Jump in July 1993.

But if those are just coincidences, then that's pretty crazy.

I was expectimng more replies\over Broli and the Tori-bots, were they already well known? I've not heard about them before.

I was pretty shocked to see Broli there. How can he just sit calmly in the audience and not scream and attack Gokuu...!?

[laserkid]

I'm not sure about that DQ5 hero one. It's just a dude with a turban... and it's not even the right colour.

He's got the right hairstyle/build/clothing color though - though I may well be reaching.

As for CT - could go either way as CT was a long developed game AFAIK.

[Herms]

Subtitles call him Furog but that's close enough.

For the record, Frog from Chrono Trigger's Japanese name is Kaeru, Japanese for "frog", whereas the DBZ character's name is a pun on the English word "frog" (it's not spelled exactly the same way though, which is I assume why the subtitles use "Furog"). Doesn't mean there's not a connection, but their names are a little different. Also, it's worth noting that the afterlife tournament story arc ran from July to early September 1993, while Chrono Trigger was released in March 1995. I don't know how long it was in development though, or when the names and designs for the characters would have been first worked out.

Edit:[/i] Rats, beaten to the punch.

[bkev]

Metalwario, thanks for those mockups. It really shows, for the more visual person, the difference. Also, @Fox666, I know this is late but if you read my post I was agreeing with you.

[Metalwario64]

Metalwario, thanks for those mockups. It really shows, for the more visual person, the difference. Also, @Fox666, I know this is late but if you read my post I was agreeing with you.

No problem.

Also, I did one last edit. This time I more extensively corrected the colors by editing the RGB in Photoshop. What I did was toned down the reds and some blues to a lesser extent in the darker colors, so that the blacks would look black, and I also very slightly upped the brightness and contrast, but only slightly. The saturation level was also slightly increased, as the removal of other tones made the colors look a bit dull. I tried to use the earlier posted cel as a reference for the colors:


Here is a "banded" comparison image as well:


It's not perfect, as I don't have the equipment, nor the original film at hand obviously, but for what I had to work with, I'd say it's a decent step in the right direction. There are some slight flaws though, like the darkest shading on the desks becoming more gray than the assumed intended brown color, but it's just an example.

[The Time Traveller]

I'm finally watching the Great Saiyaman/Highschool arc for the first time and Rock, leader of the Red Shark Gang, looks like Nappa dressed as Obotchaman from Dr. Slump.

Such an odd combination...

Can't post a picture, on my DSi.

[JulieYBM]

I'm finally watching the Great Saiyaman/Highschool arc for the first time and Rock, leader of the Red Shark Gang, looks like Nappa dressed as Obotchaman from Dr. Slump.

Such an odd combination...

Can't post a picture, on my DSi.

I noticed in that same episode Yanami Jôji voices the police chief and the mayor, while Gôri Daisuke also voices one of Rock's men (the one in red).

Boy, I wonder what was going on THAT day.

[bkev]

Does anyone have the FUNi single for comparison? Just curious to see hwo the colors match up on that; I know they over-saturated them themselves, but I wonder if the digibetas are faded aside from that.

[Ashura]

Yes, it's true. The example I constantly bring up is the complaints leveled at the Blu-ray release of Sleeping Beauty. They were criticized for color correcting to match the cells, when everyone who knew animation knew that the colors of the cells weren't the colors that were intended. The animators had purposely oversaturated the cells because they were aware that they'd be dulled somewhat upon being photographed.

They did this to the widescreen version of Transformers the Movie on DVD a few years back, too. A fan who was consulting on the release convinced them to color-correct to a cel he owned of Hot Rod... and thus Hot Rod became blindingly pink. Picking up the UK Bluray, though, this luckily is not the case.

(And in that situation, since the cel has been in the hands of a fan... who's to even say the cel hasn't faded?)

What bothers me the most about the Dragonbox is the weird sea green backgrounds. I absolutely love it otherwise.

[Herms]

I'm finally watching the Great Saiyaman/Highschool arc for the first time and Rock, leader of the Red Shark Gang, looks like Nappa dressed as Obotchaman from Dr. Slump.

He looks exactly like one of the villains from the Toriyama one-shot Dub and Peter 1.

[Sshadow5001]

I never realised that King Kai decided not to be brought back to life even though he could have.

Why do you think he declined?

EDIT
Aw man theres a fault with one of my discs during chapter 18 of disc 4, Just after baby Trunks stands up and just before Mr Satan shows off on TV.

[Ashura]

Also, it's worth noting that the afterlife tournament story arc ran from July to early September 1993, while Chrono Trigger was released in March 1995. I don't know how long it was in development though, or when the names and designs for the characters would have been first worked out.

Chrono Trigger started production, I believe, in 1992. I've read it was apparently conceived when Toriyama and a couple other guys from Square went on a trip to the US to research 'computer graphics.' If this is true, it's likely that the initial designs for all the main characters were completed well before this episode aired.

Toriyama does so much obvious recycling... do we know if the DBZ anime's filler character designer was someone from Bird Studio if not Toriyama himself? I remember Toriyama mentioned in some interview for DBGT that he really liked the SJJ4 design even though he didn't come up with it and it was the tv-series designer that did. So I wonder if all the misc filler characters in DBZ were done outside Bird Studio.

The reason why I ask this is because if he or his assistants worked on the tv show's original/filler designs at that time, it's not out of the realm of possibility that in that lazy crunch for background characters they took some early sketches he was doing for other things and altered the lines slightly plus colored them differently to get things in on schedule.

It's also possible Toei asked for a bunch of generic hero sketches and all this is what he had kicking around at the time. If not that, artists a lot of the time have art kicking around in their head and in their sketchbooks for years before it gets used for anything. The origin of Gunsmith Cats/Bean Bandit is a lot like this.

[SSVegetto]

Also, it's worth noting that the afterlife tournament story arc ran from July to early September 1993, while Chrono Trigger was released in March 1995. I don't know how long it was in development though, or when the names and designs for the characters would have been first worked out.

Chrono Trigger started production, I believe, in 1992. I've read it was apparently conceived when Toriyama and a couple other guys from Square went on a trip to the US to research 'computer graphics.' If this is true, it's likely that the initial designs for all the main characters were completed well before this episode aired.

Toriyama does so much obvious recycling... do we know if the DBZ anime's filler character designer was someone from Bird Studio if not Toriyama himself? I remember Toriyama mentioned in some interview for DBGT that he really liked the SJJ4 design even though he didn't come up with it and it was the tv-series designer that did. So I wonder if all the misc filler characters in DBZ were done outside Bird Studio.

The reason why I ask this is because if he or his assistants worked on the tv show's original/filler designs at that time, it's not out of the realm of possibility that in that lazy crunch for background characters they took some early sketches he was doing for other things and altered the lines slightly plus colored them differently to get things in on schedule.

It's also possible Toei asked for a bunch of generic hero sketches and all this is what he had kicking around at the time. If not that, artists a lot of the time have art kicking around in their head and in their sketchbooks for years before it gets used for anything. The origin of Gunsmith Cats/Bean Bandit is a lot like this.

Wait a second I thought Toriyama designed both Crono and SS4Goku? If that's the case then obviously it's not a coincidence. And if he decided to put a secret cameo in that filler scene. Or got permission from the guys to put it in there. I seriously doubt the designer randomly and coincidentally put a guy that looked like Crono before Toriyama came up with the design.

I was pretty shocked to see Broli there. How can he just sit calmly in the audience and not scream and attack Gokuu...!?

Where is Broli in the audience? I didn't see him.

[The Time Traveller]

I was pretty shocked to see Broli there. How can he just sit calmly in the audience and not scream and attack Gokuu...!?

Where is Broli in the audience? I didn't see him.

In the middle!

[SSVegetto]

Damn, I'm retarded. I can't believe I didn't notice that. Anyways, I should probably call up my friend and tell him Crono is in DBZ to see his reaction.

[The Time Traveller]

I'm finally watching the Great Saiyaman/Highschool arc for the first time and Rock, leader of the Red Shark Gang, looks like Nappa dressed as Obotchaman from Dr. Slump.

He looks exactly like one of the villains from the Toriyama one-shot Dub and Peter 1.

Welp, he still looks like Nappa dressed as Obotchaman.

[Herms]

Toriyama does so much obvious recycling... do we know if the DBZ anime's filler character designer was someone from Bird Studio if not Toriyama himself?

Well, there really isn't anyone at Bird Studio besides Toriyama and his one assistant, Matsuyama, and I've never heard of Matsuyama doing filler character designs. Besides when Toriyama designed filler characters (the confirmed examples of which are gone over here), they were designed by Nakatsuru, Maeda, and the other main anime staff guys.

I remember Toriyama mentioned in some interview for DBGT that he really liked the SJJ4 design even though he didn't come up with it and it was the tv-series designer that did.

Yeah, SSj4 was designed by Nakatsuru.