Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?

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its fine TBH, As long as his Above the SSj2 by a huge amount then its fine

[TheMightyOzaru]

M10 SSJ2 Gohan is not stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan. Where the heck did you get the idea that the opposite was the case ?

[RandomGuy96]

I kind of thought that this was one of those forums that was free of things like Broly wank. Him being SS3 tier? I mean... what?

[Kamiccolo9]

I think that SPC, Majin Vegeta, SS2 Goku, and kid Gohan would kick the crap out of the big ol' lug, and that Mr.Buu would one-shot him like trash. He was having trouble with someone that was called "pathetic" by pre-Majin Vegeta, which to me means they're equal at best.

Then again I see Mr.Buu as a beast. I think where I have him is around where most people have Fat Buu. I also think that both Mr.Buu and Gray Buu are several times stronger than the original Fat Buu.

Well, Movie 10 Gohan says that he was way stronger than he was last time, and this was when he was in base, so I don't think that Movie 10 Gohan=Anime or Manga Teen Gohan. Seeing as the movies do what they want, and this movie has crazy power feats anyway, such as Videl budging Broly with a kick, I'm just assuming that this is Toei doing their own thing again

I am interested in your theory about Mr. Buu in Gray Buu though. Care to elaborate on that? I personally go with the 40-60 split of Fat Buu's power between the two.

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M10 SSJ2 Gohan is not stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan. Where the heck did you get the idea that the opposite was the case ?

because gohan says he powered up considerably, if he got weaker then why would he say that

RandomGuy96, Your shouldn't be surprise. He has the feats to be put there since he 3 shot a SSj2. Kid buu 12 shot a SSj2 and Fat buu didn't even come close to both but that is just my opinion

Well going by the SEG guides and Fat buu being weaker then SSj3 goku

SSj3 is 4x of SSj2

Id say Fat buu is 3.5x of SSj2
Evil Buu is 2x of SSj2
Good Buu is 1.5x of SSj2
SSJ2 goku is 1

[RandomGuy96]

M10 SSJ2 Gohan is not stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan. Where the heck did you get the idea that the opposite was the case ?

because gohan says he powered up considerably, if he got weaker then why would he say that

RandomGuy96, Your shouldn't be surprise. He has the feats to be put there since he 3 shot a SSj2. Kid buu 12 shot a SSj2 and Fat buu didn't even come close to both but that is just my opinion

Gohan said that about himself? Should be no surprise, he was absolutely weaksauce in Movie 8. He was weaker than Goku and clearly not at his Cell Game level yet. He also didn't have SS2. Unless you're buying it into the Toei hax that base Gohan > Movie 8 Gohan, in which case I guess you also believe that Cooler is Perfect Cell level?

Kid Buu was completely toying with Vegeta, who he was four times stronger than. Broly was barley able to beat the weakest SS2 (Gohan got some hits in) and got wrecked by two injured out of shape kids near the end (+Goku maybe, but I don't know if him lending his energy is ever stated).

Id say Fat buu is 3.5x of SSj2
Evil Buu is 2x of SSj2
Good Buu is 1.5x of SSj2
SSJ2 goku is 1

I think different. I think that Evil Buu is stronger than Kid Buu and that Good Buu is far stronger than Fat Buu and in the low SS3 tier. Numerically:

SS2 Goku- 10
Fat Buu- 13
Good Buu- 32
SS3 Goku- 40
Evil Buu- 50

[Cardle grave]

M10 SSJ2 Gohan is not stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan. Where the heck did you get the idea that the opposite was the case ?

because gohan says he powered up considerably, if he got weaker then why would he say that

RandomGuy96, Your shouldn't be surprise. He has the feats to be put there since he 3 shot a SSj2. Kid buu 12 shot a SSj2 and Fat buu didn't even come close to both but that is just my opinion

Gohan said that about himself? Should be no surprise, he was absolutely weaksauce in Movie 8. He was weaker than Goku and clearly not at his Cell Game level yet. He also didn't have SS2.

Kid Buu was completely toying with Vegeta, who he was four times stronger than. Broly was barley able to beat the weakest SS2 (Gohan got some hits in) and got wrecked by two injured out of shape kids near the end (+Goku maybe, but I don't know if him lending his energy is ever stated).

If you call 3 shot Barely beating then there something wrong there. broly toyed with Gohan. he tanked his punches and kicks silly and beat him in 1:20 seconds and Broly never tried to dodge so of course his going to hit him Tanking > Dodging any day of the week.

He said it in base so obviously his not taking about SSj2 and 7 years training would make up for any gap especially with gohan potential

[TheMightyOzaru]

M10 SSJ2 Gohan is not stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan. Where the heck did you get the idea that the opposite was the case ?

because gohan says he powered up considerably, if he got weaker then why would he say that

RandomGuy96, Your shouldn't be surprise. He has the feats to be put there since he 3 shot a SSj2. Kid buu 12 shot a SSj2 and Fat buu didn't even come close to both but that is just my opinion

Well going by the SEG guides and Fat buu being weaker then SSj3 goku

SSj3 is 4x of SSj2

Id say Fat buu is 3.5x of SSj2
Evil Buu is 2x of SSj2
Good Buu is 1.5x of SSj2
SSJ2 goku is 1

powered up considerable since their last encounter. Gohan was clearly the weakest in Movie 8 and was much stronger at the Cell games thus he had powered up since his last encounter. SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SSJ2 M10 Gohan. Vegeta makes it quite clear that adolescent SSJ2 Gohan doesn't hold a candle SSJ2 Kid Gohan.

[RandomGuy96]

If you call 3 shot Barely beating then there something wrong there. broly toyed with Gohan. he tanked his punches and kicks silly and beat him in 1:20 seconds and Broly never tried to dodge so of course his going to hit him Tanking > Dodging any day of the week.

He said it in base so obviously his not taking about SSj2 and 7 years training would make up for any gap especially with gohan potential

Broly still budged from his kicks and knees (he had bruises as well) and was supremely annoyed if nothing else. That's a Goku vs Freeza kind of gap if anything.

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M10 SSJ2 Gohan is not stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan. Where the heck did you get the idea that the opposite was the case ?

because gohan says he powered up considerably, if he got weaker then why would he say that

RandomGuy96, Your shouldn't be surprise. He has the feats to be put there since he 3 shot a SSj2. Kid buu 12 shot a SSj2 and Fat buu didn't even come close to both but that is just my opinion

Well going by the SEG guides and Fat buu being weaker then SSj3 goku

SSj3 is 4x of SSj2

Id say Fat buu is 3.5x of SSj2
Evil Buu is 2x of SSj2
Good Buu is 1.5x of SSj2
SSJ2 goku is 1

powered up considerable since their last encounter. Gohan was clearly the weakest in Movie 8 and was much stronger at the Cell games thus he had powered up since his last encounter. SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SSJ2 M10 Gohan. Vegeta makes it quite clear that adolescent SSJ2 Gohan doesn't hold a candle SSJ2 Kid Gohan.

you think 7 years training is not going to make up for that gap, And this is movies last time i remember Toei doesn't nerf he just makes the other guy stronger

[TheMightyOzaru]

Gohan doesn't and wouldn't train. Gohan has no signs of being haxed so there is no reason to assume something that most likely isn't the case.

[RandomGuy96]

So your whole argument for Broly being SS3 tier is that he beat up a Gohan that was way stronger than canon Gohan... even though you have no evidence he was stronger than canon Gohan. And even that still wouldn't put him near the SS3 tier, because as I said Gohan was still able to put up a fight, he wasn't that far away from Broly. If Broly was having trouble with the absolute weakest SS2 who was called "pathetic" by pre-Majin Vegeta, who considered himself pathetic next to the might of SS2 Goku....

There's honestly way more evidence for Cooler being Perfect Cell-tier than there is for Broly being anywhere near the weakest of the SS3 tier.

[Kamiccolo9]

Broly still budged from his kicks and knees (he had bruises as well) and was supremely annoyed if nothing else. That's a Goku vs Freeza kind of gap if anything.

The bruise on Broly's chest was from when he got hit in his SSJ form. He still had it after he transformed.
Broly dominated that fight. He shrugged off being hit in the head twice, and was beating Gohan pretty badly. Gohan said that the only chance he had was for him to get Broly in the lava. This implies a somewhat large gap to me. Broly should be nowhere near SSJ3 tier, but high SSJ2 doesn't seem to far off to me.

[Cardle grave]

If you call 3 shot Barely beating then there something wrong there. broly toyed with Gohan. he tanked his punches and kicks silly and beat him in 1:20 seconds and Broly never tried to dodge so of course his going to hit him Tanking > Dodging any day of the week.

He said it in base so obviously his not taking about SSj2 and 7 years training would make up for any gap especially with gohan potential

Broly still budged from his kicks and knees (he had bruises as well) and was supremely annoyed if nothing else. That's a Goku vs Freeza kind of gap if anything.

He didn't even have a scratch lol where did you get bruised form

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q-zW_LgDnQ

And Mighty, Why would he say his stronger then. And not to mention his Base>>the SSj kids while in Manga he needed SSj to fight SSj goten

[TheMightyOzaru]

Because he was stronger than his movie 8 self.... That was kinda the point. He said he has gotten stronger since their last encounter....

[RandomGuy96]

If you call 3 shot Barely beating then there something wrong there. broly toyed with Gohan. he tanked his punches and kicks silly and beat him in 1:20 seconds and Broly never tried to dodge so of course his going to hit him Tanking > Dodging any day of the week.

He said it in base so obviously his not taking about SSj2 and 7 years training would make up for any gap especially with gohan potential

Broly still budged from his kicks and knees (he had bruises as well) and was supremely annoyed if nothing else. That's a Goku vs Freeza kind of gap if anything.

He didn't even have a scratch lol where did you get bruised form

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q-zW_LgDnQ

And Mighty, Why would he say his stronger then. And not to mention his Base>>the SSj kids while in Manga he needed SSj to fight SSj goten

He had a bruise on his chest. And anyway, him budging and getting a pissed off look on his face clearly shows that the hits are affecting him. And he's going serious. Again, Goku vs Freeza seemed similar, it's just hard to see since the fight is so short in both cases (and also because Gohan doesn't have good techniques like Freeza).

...seriously? You are seriously rolling with the Toei hax? Okay then, do you believe Cooler is Perfect Cell level also?

Buu Saga/Movie 10 Gohan is stronger than the weaksauce SS Movie 8 Gohan. That's all.

[MDSTSSJ]

Maybe Movie 10 Broly is strong as pre Majin Vegeta!

[Cardle grave]

Because he was stronger than his movie 8 self.... That was kinda the point. He said he has gotten stronger since their last encounter....

He was confident in doing better then his SSj in movie 8 even though he knows that SSJ broly M10=LSSJ broly M8. And his Base>>SSj kids

His gotten stronger, A lot stronger

Going by Movie 10

base gohan>>SSj kids

Going by Manga
SSj gohan=>SSj goten>>>base gohan=>Base goten

[RandomGuy96]

Maybe Movie 10 Broly is strong as pre Majin Vegeta!

That's what I think. And they're both equal with SPC.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Because he was stronger than his movie 8 self.... That was kinda the point. He said he has gotten stronger since their last encounter....

He was confident in doing better then his SSj in movie 8 even though he knows that SSJ broly M10=LSSJ broly M8. And his Base>>SSj kids

His gotten stronger, A lot stronger

Going by Movie 10

base gohan>>SSj kids

Going by Manga
SSj gohan=>SSj goten>>>base gohan=>Base goten

Cell Games Gohan IS a lot stronger than Movie 8 Gohan.... Seriously Piccolo fared better....

Maybe Movie 10 Broly is strong as pre Majin Vegeta!

That's what I think. And they're both equal with SPC.

I still think Vegeta would kick his ass .