Dub-Bashing

[laserkid]

Am I the only one who has no clue what the "Jumping Fish Line" is?

[Duo]

At the end of Movie 7, right before (and I mean, right before) the credits roll, there's 2-3 seconds of Vegeta and Piccolo sitting on opposite ends of a little iceberg, backs to each other.

There is silence in the original and then the credit music breaks and the credits roll.

In the dub, the following occurs...

Piccolo - "Is it over?"

Vegeta - "Not 'til the fish jumps!"

-Fish jumps out of water and right back in.

Vegeta - "...it's over." Credits roll.

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Now, I agree on the whole silence thing, but I thought that particular moment was fricken hilarious. Best dubline ever, in my opinion.

[Blitzen]

Just think, GT's video quality is good as it is, and FUNi releasing it 100% uncut with Daimao's translations, I'd say hell yeah it's superior to the dragonbox.

If someone has relative releases of r2 and r1 DBZ, could they post some comparison pictures?

And superiority is a sort of two-sided thing- While the Japanese release admittedly didn't have subtitles, it's a Japanese release, and isn't exactly an expectation as far as it's concerned. Not only that, it ended up looking better, packaging wise, and retaining more extras at the same initial price of GT in singles. It just seems to scream "compotence" more than the American release, to be honest.

It should be noted that yes, there are occasions where Japanese releases of Anime are roughly 2 episodes for $50. However, this is generally for shorter series, which audiences have already had a chance to preview. The Japanese also have a lot more deposable income (this is apparently due to cars being a commodity/luxury/entertainment piece moreso than a practical means of transport- Japan is so close together and runs on trains), and the sales of DVDs for smaller series count as fudning towards the various studios to help produce more late-night Anime. Dokuro-etc is two episodes a disc, but it's more of a specialty thing, in the arena with OVA stuff such as Saint Seiya Inferno and Hellsing Ultimate.

You'd find that a lot of older stuff, paticularly pre-90's such as DBZ, saint seiya, Mazinger or Fist of the North Star are at a cheaper price with more episodes than normal/current Anime. This is due paticularly to it being more of a nostalgia thing, akin to US releases of Transformers, He-man, Thundercats and so on. People pre-order expensive boxes in one shot because they know they want them- companies offer them for preorder because honestly, these are big boxes, and no store wants them hanging around for ages, taking up space and notg being bought. It's a small country afterall.

Newsflash, there were originally 13 Japanese DVDs, too. And the first DVD only had episodes one and two.

We are not Japan though. Does this mean Gundam Seed should have been 14 volumes? I somply that some things should be released in volumes, however FMA doesn't need to be on 13 volumes. The fact that they chopped it down to 13 from 16 indicates that.

Chibi Mystic Gohan: Fansubbers do suprise me in that regard. It's like they've never heard of renting, or Winny (which is a Japanese P2P program, but I don't feel as if this should be a problem to mention, because it's not like you'll be able to figure it out anyway *touches wood*)

[Tsukento]

If someone has relative releases of r2 and r1 DBZ, could they post some comparison pictures?

Consider it done, as well as GT screenshot comparisons.

First, Dragon Ball Z. I used screenshots I found posted in the forum from the R2 single DVD thread and used my R1 DVD screenshots to compare.

Episode 1 title screen
Commercial Break Eyecatcher (1st Animation)
Returning from break Eyecatcher
Kaio-sama after seeing Freeza get cut by his own attack
Kuririn and Marron from We Gotta Power
Gohan and Videl driving down the streets from We Gotta Power

Now on to GT. Since I've only got four GT DVDs, I could only use what I could find and had. The Dragon Box screencaps came from DBNet-fr.com The R1 screencaps came from my GT DVD collection.

Goku before powering up into Super Saiyan in Dan Dan Kokoro Hikarete ’ku
Super Saiyan 4 Goku at the end of the second animation of Dan Dan Kokoro Hikarete ’ku
Commercial Break Eyecatcher (2nd Animation)
Returning from break Eyecatcher
Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta elbowing Yi Xing Long in the face *ouch*
Next Episode Preview
Son Goku, standing before saying farewell in episode 64

As you can see, the saturation is really out there on the R1 discs, especially noticable in GT. The quality of the Ulimate Uncut Edition DVDs is rather..bad. Grain, smudges and the film even nearly coming right off the screen is very noticable. And later Z pretty much suffers the same saturation and even brightness that makes details difficult to pick up.

Notice how you can hardly tell Goku's wearing blue in the Z eyecatchers for the R1 disc, or how Kaio looks like he's got a light flashing on him. Heck, you can hardly see the wooden design details on the GT preview in the R1 discs. o_o

Did I also mention that Super Saiyan 4 Goku's pink fur is annoyingly bright as hell? >_>;

[SpaceKappa]

How come the R1 Z episodes are zoomed in, but the GT images are not? Was there something wrong with the Z master tapes?

[Tanooki Kuribo]

I actually like the pictures on the left, but with that said it's probley a different story once the pictures are actually moving.

Edit: I can see what you mean about the saturation though.

[Blitzen]

How come the R1 Z episodes are zoomed in, but the GT images are not? Was there something wrong with the Z master tapes?

It sort of seems like a practice done by Toei and certian other studios. If it's zoomed in with filters over it, you can technically "hide" signs of film damage and what not. Might be noticable to some people, though to be honest I wouldn't be suprised if it's just another desicion by banal executives.

[Kirbopher]

Not to mention, it's expected in Looney Tunes, where as it breaks the fourth wall in Dragon Ball and is VERY out of character for Vegeta and Piccolo.

But to be fair, the whole talking thing isn't something that just FUNi did. 4Kids is notorious for doing this.

And in some cases even moreso in Megaman NT Warrior, that was from Viz.

Yes, the jumping fish line was awesome.

[Super Sonic]

Not to mention, it's expected in Looney Tunes, where as it breaks the fourth wall in Dragon Ball and is VERY out of character for Vegeta and Piccolo.

But to be fair, the whole talking thing isn't something that just FUNi did. 4Kids is notorious for doing this.

There are a few moments of breaking the fourth wall in the DB. One scene particularly during the Dr. Slump crossover.

[Tsukento]

There are a few moments of breaking the fourth wall in the DB. One scene particularly during the Dr. Slump crossover.

That's because the Dr. Slump series is one big joke manga/anime that recognizes it's a joke and not even real.

[Leotaku]

At the end of Movie 7, right before (and I mean, right before) the credits roll, there's 2-3 seconds of Vegeta and Piccolo sitting on opposite ends of a little iceberg, backs to each other.

There is silence in the original and then the credit music breaks and the credits roll.

In the dub, the following occurs...

Piccolo - "Is it over?"

Vegeta - "Not 'til the fish jumps!"

-Fish jumps out of water and right back in.

Vegeta - "...it's over." Credits roll.

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Now, I agree on the whole silence thing, but I thought that particular moment was fricken hilarious. Best dubline ever, in my opinion.

I never saw that movie, so I didn't know what the "jumping fish" was either.
But...man...I wanna see that. It does sound awfully out of character, but damn funny all the same.

[Chaos Saiyajin]

The jumping fish line really made the movie for me. I love it when characters break the fourth wall, for some odd reason I find it funny...

[VegettoEX]

[Super Sonic]

The jumping fish line really made the movie for me. I love it when characters break the fourth wall, for some odd reason I find it funny...

Vol. 2 of the manga has some of those moments I've mentioned. For example after Bulma informs them of the Dragon Balls being stone for a year:

Yamcha: A yuh-yuh-yuh year?!
Oolong: Now there's a problem!
Yamcha: (thinks) Yes! Another whole year of being terrified around girls...!
Oolong: This is gonna be one dull comic book...

[Kirbopher]

The jumping fish line really made the movie for me. I love it when characters break the fourth wall, for some odd reason I find it funny...

Vol. 2 of the manga has some of those moments I've mentioned. For example after Bulma informs them of the Dragon Balls being stone for a year:

Yamcha: A yuh-yuh-yuh year?!
Oolong: Now there's a problem!
Yamcha: (thinks) Yes! Another whole year of being terrified around girls...!
Oolong: This is gonna be one dull comic book...

Yeah, plus Pilaf saying something to the extent of "WE DON'T MAKE DR. SLUMP REFERENCES ANYMORE!!!" in one of the graphic novels.

Another time they poked at the fourth wall in the show was Vegeta's dub line at the VERY end of the episode where Buu has a normal, casual life. the camera pans over to him after Chichi is chasing around nekkid gotenks, he says "...what're YOU looking at?"

[Super Sonic]

The jumping fish line really made the movie for me. I love it when characters break the fourth wall, for some odd reason I find it funny...

Vol. 2 of the manga has some of those moments I've mentioned. For example after Bulma informs them of the Dragon Balls being stone for a year:

Yamcha: A yuh-yuh-yuh year?!
Oolong: Now there's a problem!
Yamcha: (thinks) Yes! Another whole year of being terrified around girls...!
Oolong: This is gonna be one dull comic book...

Yeah, plus Pilaf saying something to the extent of "WE DON'T MAKE DR. SLUMP REFERENCES ANYMORE!!!" in one of the graphic novels.

That was the same volume. He was telling Mai about how he didn't appreciate vulgar humor and yelled at her for holding poo on a stick. He then goes on, "After all, some manga creators strive to make their work dignified and refined!! If you think we'l pander to our audience's shameful love of pee-pee, kaka humor simply to boost the sales of this Dragon Ball comic... then you are sadly mistaken!!"

[Eclipse]

That was the same volume. He was telling Mai about how he didn't appreciate vulgar humor and yelled at her for holding poo on a stick. He then goes on, "After all, some manga creators strive to make their work dignified and refined!! If you think we'l pander to our audience's shameful love of pee-pee, kaka humor simply to boost the sales of this Dragon Ball comic... then you are sadly mistaken!!"

Because Mai had suggested to search for the Dragon Balls between the mens' legs

[Ultimate Tofu Guy Drift]

I'm one of the few people who was actually introduced to the Japanese version first, way back in 1994. My buddy's older brother had a friend who had hookups in Japan, and one day they were watching some episodes from the Cell Games. We all fell in love immediately.

I got excited when I heard they were dubbing it, but it left me with a bad taste in my mouth. There was just too much CHANGED. The music I loved, the voices I loved, even crucial plot points were all altered in some way.

To me, there is no other version than the Japanese version. Masako Nozawa IS Son Gokuu to me. When they were casting, it was like a character's personality did not matter, their voice was determined by their looks. Piccolo is green, so he gets a super deep voice. Vegeta was a bad guy, so he gets a voice that almost surprises you he's not twisting a handlebar mustache. Then came FUNimation's actors, who did even worse. Chris Sabat's voice makes me cringe.

Let's not forget "KRILLIN'S IN DA HOUUUUUUUUSE!"

When simply watching the opening "Cha-La Head-Cha-La" can literally make my heart swell up, I know that I love this show. I've loved it for 12 years now. The Japanese version is IT. I have my subbed DVDs and I will love them forever. It goes beyond a TV show for me. It's a part of my life, a piece of who I am.

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Well said. I feel the same way about the show. Although I haven't watched it for anywhere near as long. I was introduced to the series through the dub and began watching the originals when they took dbz off television. I hated the dub for quite sometime (although i always liked the dubbed cell saga) but these days I just see the dub as a different perception of the series. However the Japanese DB is still the best

Also, I click the quote thing and it doesnt seem to work properly, could someone please tell me what i'm doing wrong. Thanks.

[VegettoEX]

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You have "Disable BBCode" checked when you post. Make sure that's NOT checked. I fixed this post for ya'.

[Hujio]

I was introduced to the series through the dub and began watching the originals when they took dbz off television. I hated the dub for quite sometime (although i always liked the dubbed cell saga) but these days I just see the dub as a different perception of the series. However the Japanese DB is still the best.

I've found that if you start watching a show in its original Japanese form, it can be somewhat difficult to start watching its English dub. Especially if it is done horribly... like what was done to One Piece . I also think of the dub as a different perception of the series, but mostly because it doesn't have the same feel. To me the music makes or breaks a series, its what makes the action over the top or the humor even funnier, and I absolutely love the original Japanese score used. So I feel like the dub just never grasped the music like the original did, so it just doesn't feel the same to me.