What phrases/opinions/things bring out your irate fanboy?

[saunasolmu]

Fans who pretend that the manga was an amazingly consistent masterpiece of art and all of the "inconsistencies" in the new movies means they don't belong in the continuity.

[EXBadguy]

And those that don't acknowledge the inconsistencies in the modern movies that retcon established plot points in the manga/anime series piss me off.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Also, I really hate the name filters of this forum. People should be allowed to write whatever name they want. It's pretty much censorship.

It's probably there to maintain consistency and not confuse people.

[Saiga]

Also, I really hate the name filters of this forum. People should be allowed to write whatever name they want. It's pretty much censorship.

It's probably there to maintain consistency and not confuse people.

This always seemed weird to me because if anything it has been a pretty big source of confusion for newer posters. And it only filters out well known versions of the names, not weird shit like Cachalot for Goku's Saiyan name.

[The Monkey King]

When people insult the Kai dub and say the old funimation dub was better, especially when they say they prefer Young to Ayres.

[Big Momma]

Phrases like "Planet/Solar System/Galaxy Busting". Any kind of "Busting" in relation to power talks. They don't really make me irate...but, I just don't see the point.

[Mystic Tien]

-People who speak for Toriyma just to try and justify their own preferences. Or people who claim he did things he actually didn't.
"Episode of Bardock is totally canon. Toriyama was deeply involved in everything and it not only fits the story has it explains in a ironic and destiny twisted way he legend of the Super Saiyan."

That surely applies for the opposite people, like: "Episode of Bardock is totally non-canon. Toriyama was not involved and its story does not fit at all".

But it doesn't matter if something fits or not. Creators decide what is canon, and what is not, regardless from it fitting or not.

[Saiga]

Oh, on topic (and honestly not taking a dig at anyone here): using the 300x gravity filler scene to try and make Yamcha look good. It doesn't make me irate, but I do find it really sad. It's just... not a good scene for him no matter how you look at it. It's not impressive at all, that he didn't die instantly.

The most important thing shown in the scene is that Yamcha has no fucking idea of his own limits, and is seriously overconfident. It's pretty much completely impossible to make him look good from that, saying "oh well it's impressive he didn't die from it" just shows how foolish he was to attempt that.

That's not that it's a bad scene for him - it could have been some great set up for some character development where he learns some humility, if not for the fact that Toei just ignore it from that point - but it certainly doesn't show anything good about him.

[rereboy]

Also, I really hate the name filters of this forum. People should be allowed to write whatever name they want. It's pretty much censorship.

It's probably there to maintain consistency and not confuse people.

All they do is make posts confusing since many posts are precisely talking about the differences in the names, irritate the posters and seem like there's enforced censorship on the forum.

[Mystic Tien]

Oh, on topic (and honestly not taking a dig at anyone here): using the 300x gravity filler scene to try and make Yamcha look good. It doesn't make me irate, but I do find it really sad. It's just... not a good scene for him no matter how you look at it. It's not impressive at all, that he didn't die instantly.

The most important thing shown in the scene is that Yamcha has no fucking idea of his own limits, and is seriously overconfident. It's pretty much completely impossible to make him look good from that, saying "oh well it's impressive he didn't die from it" just shows how foolish he was to attempt that.

That's not that it's a bad scene for him - it could have been some great set up for some character development where he learns some humility, if not for the fact that Toei just ignore it from that point - but it certainly doesn't show anything good about him.

Goku was on a verge of dying while training as well, hence why he got a lot of Zenkais. Don't see any problems at all. Toei didn't ignore anything, it is Toriyama who didn't even bother trying to come up with some development for Yamcha.

[Saiga]

Goku was on a verge of dying while training as well, hence why he got a lot of Zenkais. Don't see any problems at all. Toei didn't ignore anything, it is Toriyama who didn't even bother trying to come up with some development for Yamcha.

What has Goku got to do with this?

And yes, Toei ignored something - the filler they themselves created. They never followed up on it after that, even though it could have made for some decent filler further on.

Yamcha didn't really need more development in the manga, but it could have made for some decent filler.

[Gaffer Tape]

Phrases like "Planet/Solar System/Galaxy Busting". Any kind of "Busting" in relation to power talks. They don't really make me irate...but, I just don't see the point.

Yeah, anything "-busting" and mentions of "zenkai" both make me want to tear my hair out.

[Mystic Tien]

Goku was on a verge of dying while training as well, hence why he got a lot of Zenkais. Don't see any problems at all. Toei didn't ignore anything, it is Toriyama who didn't even bother trying to come up with some development for Yamcha.

What has Goku got to do with this?

And yes, Toei ignored something - the filler they themselves created. They never followed up on it after that, even though it could have made for some decent filler further on.

Yamcha didn't really need more development in the manga, but it could have made for some decent filler.

Goku was on a verge of dying while training in gravity chamber, but he didn't look bad. And so didn't Vegeta. Why Yamcha should look bad?

Toei can't develope everything the way they want to. They highly depend on manga, if mangaka chooses to kill a character/make him useless, then Toei does the same. There was no time/no place to follow it up as well.

It would have been totally out of place later in the story. The story was about saiyans, and frankly much of them didn't matter either.

[Duo]

Censorship

The name filters, as far as I understand, was put into place over 10 years ago in order to maintain consistency of terminology between fans from all over the world. Kanzenshuu maintains an international audience.

Beyond that, it's their message board. They can put name filters in place if they want and there is nothing wrong with that. It's not censorship insofar that they aren't suppressing certain idea's or thoughts. Just a handful of terms that aren't accurate the majority of versions of Dragon Ball.

[rereboy]

The name filters, as far as I understand, was put into place over 10 years ago in order to maintain consistency of terminology between fans from all over the world. Kanzenshuu maintains an international audience.

Beyond that, it's their message board. They can put name filters in place if they want and there is nothing wrong with that. It's not censorship insofar that they aren't suppressing certain idea's or thoughts. Just a handful of terms that aren't accurate the majority of versions of Dragon Ball.

They are trying to suppress the use of certain names. And whatever advantages might come out of it are far outweighed by the irritation it inflicts upon the posters, the confusion it creates when people are talking about the different names in a topic (since the posters can't freely demonstrate what the name they are talking about is and how it reads) and the appearance of enforced censoring on the forum, since this is literally the only forum I've participated that has serious and long lasting use of name filters and that fact doesn't impress me positively.

The justification for them (aka consistency) is also flimsy at best, since how does replacing H-e-r-c-u-l-e with "the H-word" promote consistency regarding the character's name? If that's the point, it should replace it with Mr. Satan. And why should there be consistency enforced on that level? H-e-r-c-u-l-e is an official name for the character even of it's not the original, why should it be censored in all situations?

And yes, its their forum and they do what they like with it, but that doesn't make them immune to criticism, nor it should.

[Kamiccolo9]

Phrases like "Planet/Solar System/Galaxy Busting". Any kind of "Busting" in relation to power talks. They don't really make me irate...but, I just don't see the point.

Yeah, anything "-busting" and mentions of "zenkai" both make me want to tear my hair out.

How many planets could a planet buster bust if a planet buster could bust planets?

I'm just curious about when the "busting" terminology comes into play. You see it for the high end stuff, like galaxy and solar system busting, which makes no sense anyway since those aren't solid masses, and for smaller stuff like planets and cities and islands. Where do you draw the line?

Obviously, Hannibal Lecter is a people buster. I suppose Jack Black's character from Anchorman could be a Puppy Buster, but Baxter lives, so it's not confirmed. Power scaling would imply that Hulk Hogan could definitely be a puppy buster, but that leads to speculation, which I don't like for my busting feats.

[MarCas92]

Phrases like "Planet/Solar System/Galaxy Busting". Any kind of "Busting" in relation to power talks. They don't really make me irate...but, I just don't see the point.

Yeah, anything "-busting" and mentions of "zenkai" both make me want to tear my hair out.

How many planets could a planet buster bust if a planet buster could bust planets?

I'm just curious about when the "busting" terminology comes into play. You see it for the high end stuff, like galaxy and solar system busting, which makes no sense anyway since those aren't solid masses, and for smaller stuff like planets and cities and islands. Where do you draw the line?

Obviously, Hannibal Lecter is a people buster. I suppose Jack Black's character from Anchorman could be a Puppy Buster, but Baxter lives, so it's not confirmed. Power scaling would imply that Hulk Hogan could definitely be a puppy buster, but that leads to speculation, which I don't like for my busting feats.

This is one of the greatest replies on this forum. EVER!

[rereboy]

How many planets could a planet buster bust if a planet buster could bust planets?

I'm just curious about when the "busting" terminology comes into play. You see it for the high end stuff, like galaxy and solar system busting, which makes no sense anyway since those aren't solid masses, and for smaller stuff like planets and cities and islands. Where do you draw the line?

Obviously, Hannibal Lecter is a people buster. I suppose Jack Black's character from Anchorman could be a Puppy Buster, but Baxter lives, so it's not confirmed. Power scaling would imply that Hulk Hogan could definitely be a puppy buster, but that leads to speculation, which I don't like for my busting feats.

Those terms are just used to differentiate between very different classes of power and only serve as an indicator.

For example, if a character has destructive capabilities that could destroy a continent, but not something larger than that, like a planet, that character would be consider a continent buster, while a character capable of destroying a planet would be a planet buster. Obviously there are planets and continents of different sizes but the term is only used to quickly establish and differentiate classes of power for quick comparisons.

It's very easy to get and very easy to use and that is its purpose.

The website vsbattles.wikia.com uses similar terms in a effective manner in their character tiering, which exemplifies their use. Their scale for character tiering is this and I believe that it actually is very satisfactory in clarifying doubts:

Spoiler:

Tier ∞: Beyond Omnipotence

∞: "Multi-Omniverse Level+":

Joke characters

Tier 0: Boundless

0: "True Infinity":

Beings that are boundlessly above absolutely everything, including existence and nonexistence, all duality and transduality, as well as level 1-A characters.

Tier 1: Higher-Dimensional:

1-A: Metaverse level+:

Characters that that have no dimensional limitations, and are beyond scientific definition, the realm of metaphysics.

Basically it means that an object is outside of all concepts of time and space. This is something completely formless, abstract, metaphysical and transcendental. The usual scale does not make sense against a beyond dimensional object. Such beings can not be affected by destruction within the dimensions of time and space, or physical matter and energy. This "Space" in which there is no dimension can be the background for any dimensional space. I.e. there exists an infinite number of imaginary dimensions. Within such a dimensionless "space" you can place any dimensional structure (even an infinite-dimensional Hilbert space), because there are no restrictions for dimensions.

1-B: Metaverse level:

12-dimensional beings and above. These are characters that are beyond complex multiversal scale. "Metaverse" in this case comes from two words: "meta", intended as "beyond", and "verse" as a short for "universe". So it is intended as a description of a higher, superior existence, beyond conventional reality.

12-dimensional characters are an infinite number of times greater than a full complex M-Theory multiverse, 13-dimensional character are an infinite number of times greater than that, and so onwards.

1-C: Complex Multiverse level:

These are 6-11-dimensional characters. Even 6-dimensional characters can logically easily destroy an infinite number of simple multiversal spacetime continuums (this is roughly the equivalent of the previous "Megaverse" term), and 7-dimensional characters exceed that scale an infinite number of times, and so onwards. However, these characters do not exceed the 11-dimensional scale of the complete totality of a full multiverse, as defined by M-Theory.

The highest part of this category is an infinity x infinity x infinity x infinity x infinity number of times greater than the bottom.

Tier 2: Multi-Universal

2-A: Multiverse level+ :

Characters who can instantly create and/or destroy 10^500 to an infinite number of universal spacetime continuums.

2-B: Multiverse level :

Characters who can create and/or destroy 1001 to (10^500)-1 universal spacetime continuums.

2-C: Multi-Universe level:

Characters who can destroy and/or create up to 1000 universal spacetime continuums.

The lower bounds of this category is often called Universe Level+. This is for characters who can destroy the entire spacetime of one or a few universes, not just the physical matter within one.

Tier 3: Cosmic

3-A: Universe level :

Characters who can destroy a universe at full power.

3-B: Multi-Galaxy level :

Characters who can create/destroy multiple galaxies.

3-C: Galaxy level :

Characters who can create/destroy a galaxy.

Tier 4: Stellar

4-A: Multi-Solar System level:

Characters who can create/destroy multiple solar systems.

4-B: Solar System level:

Characters who can create/destroy a solar system.

4-C: Star level:

Characters who can create/destroy a star.

Tier 5: Planetary

5-A: Multi/Large-Planet level :

Characters who can create/destroy multiple planets.

5-B: Planet level :

Characters who can create/destroy a planet.

5-C: Moon/Planetoid level :

Characters who can destroy a moon, or planetoid.

Tier 6: Tectonic

6-A: Continent level:

Characters who can destroy a continent, those who can tank continent level attacks, or those who can easily harm characters with continent level durability.

6-B: Country level:

Characters who can destroy a country, those who can tank country level attacks, or those who can easily harm characters with country level durability.

6-C: Island level:

Characters/Weapons who can destroy an island, those who can tank island level attacks, or those who can easily harm characters with island level durability. Examples: Most spells from Lina Inverse, Kratos, most greek gods, Piccolo at his weakest

Tier 7: Nuclear

7-A: Mountain level:

Characters/Weapons who can destroy a mountain, those who can tank mountain level attacks, or those who can easily harm characters with mountain level durability. Examples: Any titan from the Greek Myths, most high tiers from One Piece, The Thing, Showa Godzilla

7-B: City level:

Characters/Weapons who can destroy a city, those who can tank city level attacks, or those who can easily harm characters with city level durability. Examples: The Castle Brave Bomb, the Tsar Bomb, most mid tiers from Naruto/One Piece/Bleach, Demon King Piccolo, Mid tier Gundams, most of the Legendary Pokemon, most Ultimate Digimon,

7-C: Town level:

Characters who can destroy a town, those who can tank town level attacks, or those who can easily harm characters with town level durability. Examples: Master Roshi, Little Boy/Fat-Man Bombs, any high tier from Magi, a savage Gyarados, Human Torch, Godzilla 2014

Tier 8: Superhumans

8-A: Multi-City Block level:

Characters/Weapons who can destroy multiple city-blocks, those who can tank multi city-block level attacks, or those who can easily harm characters with multi city-block level durability. Examples: Most low end mid tiers from Naruto and One Piece,

8-B: City Block level:

Characters/Weapons who can destroy a city-block, those who can tank city-block level attacks, or those who can easily harm characters with city-block level durability. Examples: A MOAB/FOAB, any low tier Gundam, most Zoids, Neo, Agent Smith, Hancock

8-C: Building level:

Characters/Weapons who can destroy a building, those who can tank building level attacks, or those who can easily harm characters with building level durability. Examples: Several missiles, any fooder Jedi, Zilla, Spider-Man, John Freeman, some low tiers from Pokemon and Digimon

Tier 9: Street level

9-A: Room/Small Building level:

Characters/Weapons who can destroy a room or a small building, those who can tank room level attacks, or those who can easily harm characters with room level durability. Examples: A tank, a T-Rex (Jurassic Park), a rocket launcher, King Kong.

9-B: Wall level:

Characters/Weapons who can destroy a wall, those who can tank wall level attacks, or those who can easily harm characters with wall level durability. Example: Any Spartan from Halo, an elephant, a very strong grenade, Batman, any agent from The Matrix, any vampire from Twilight.

9-C: Street level:

Peak Humans to Low Superhuman, Few physically very strong athletes and martial artists in real life. Most protagonists and final villains from action/martial arts movies.

Tier 10: Ordinary Mortals

10-A: Athlete level:

Athletes, most fighting characters from action movies and strong animals.

10-B: Human level:

Normal human characters and certain animals.

10-C: Sub-Human level:

Physically impaired humans and most animals.

A planet buster would fit in their Planetary level, but not beyond that, and so on.

According to that wiki, Goku is considered, nowadays, to be at Tier: 4-B (Solar System level).

[Singh is King]

Dub voices and line changes aside, even though I'm a dub fan I love Kikuchi. Perfect for DB and from what I've seen of Z Kikuchi (1-67) that's amazing too. I just like Faulconer too much to not switch over at ep 68. It does get wall to wall and it can get annoying, but I still love the tracks.

For those dub themes you listed, I know the 4kids OP rap is shitty, but I have so much nostalgia for it, I cant really hate it lol. The DP rap though? The XY remix of the original song isn't great, but it's not bad either. it can never live up to the original 4kids Pokémon opening though. (Say what you want about 4kids, they got Pokémon right...besides that whole riceball/doughnut thing.) And...the GT rap...

I can understand: I grew up with Faulconer too and I like his flashback theme and a lot of his Buu themes, but it's just when people insult Kikuchi that it gets to me.

I can't stand 4Kids' OP in general (easily the worst dub the company ever did), but I can understand. (I much preferred 4Kids' Pokemon over TPCi's Pokemon, no question about that, I agree with you: their Johto Remix was much better than the XY Remix, too, IMO.) IKR.

[ssjjanemba]

What do people have against the word "busting"?